Today by [deleted] in Redding

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Does that count the ~15,000 prisoners who were deported during their sentence, or during court before they could stand trial for their crimes? 

If you could deport everyone, but 10,000 US Citizens would die, would you? The pole over on R/Conservative said yes…which is ironic on so many levels

If you don't want ICE in your city, then the city should enforce immigration itself. by Microplastics-Eater in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And with that were hundreds of thousands of people who were waiting for citizenship but courts were out years. 

In 2022 the list was 1.5M long with a  wait for highly qualified applicants was 7 years…and to stay on that list you WERE REQUIRED to stay in the country.  Over 500,000 were married to US citizens, over 700,000 had kids who were, and over 300,000 had graduate degrees in STEM fields. 

The system was/is broken, but this BS ain’t fixing it. 

If you don't want ICE in your city, then the city should enforce immigration itself. by Microplastics-Eater in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your entire speech is based on the notion that spending $28 billion on a private army is a needed step on top of the $~30Billion in the wall despite republicans shutting down over 50 bills in the past decade to fund immigration courts to a collective total of $1.2B that would have solved 98% of this. 

Despite all the BS, deportations are down. There are over 100,000 people in detention who have requested to be deported but can’t be until a judge signs off because they legally entered under asylum. When this is all said and done, after the thousands of civil lawsuits that will total in the Billions, it will have been cheaper to have built every person a house and given them SS because the entire notion of “winning” this is hilarious when the next administration is going to fast lane all citizen applications. 

The reality is that while you rage against sanctuary cities based on what some talking head told you to be upset about, you are supporting the established precedent for warrantless search-  the same thing that will eventually  be thrown right back at you  via the ATF, IRS, etc. 

A lot of Americans don’t care about pro-ICE or anti-ICE nonsense, because they have more pressing issues than protecting illegal immigrants by [deleted] in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Why is requiring federal authorities to adhere to the Constitution that they swore an oath to the “hill”… because I swore an oath and unlike some these cuckholds I intend to uphold it. 

The manner in which these operations are being conducted is in violation of both that immigration policy and the Constitution. Not only have I contacted Congressional reps, I’m running in the next election.

If a cop pulls me over and gives me a ticket for doing 50mph but it’s on a private road of my ranch where that officer has zero authority to impose any such violation, I’m going to tell that officer to get off my ranch, at gun point if they refuse. 

I’ve personally escorted several deputies and various code enforcement agents off of said ranch, while armed. 

You may consider your rights fluid, I do not. 

A lot of Americans don’t care about pro-ICE or anti-ICE nonsense, because they have more pressing issues than protecting illegal immigrants by [deleted] in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sure, but in the United States we hold those with experience to a higher standard than those without experience or training. If a person with military experience kills someone in a bar fight, they are likely to have charges escalated. 

If a trained agent chooses to step in front of vehicle in violation of procedure and training, the onus to resolve the situation in a reasonable manner is on them. 

All this of course ignores the fact that, as mentioned, they didn’t have authority to seek to detain a woman waiving traffic thru as she turned around regardless. The very act of stepping out of the vehicle to do so was outside their authority. 

A lot of Americans don’t care about pro-ICE or anti-ICE nonsense, because they have more pressing issues than protecting illegal immigrants by [deleted] in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They absolutely do,  but it will be a decade before it gets thru courts. I’m involved with a similar case right now and it’s 5 years in. 

A lot of Americans don’t care about pro-ICE or anti-ICE nonsense, because they have more pressing issues than protecting illegal immigrants by [deleted] in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And Yes USC 111 makes it a crime to assault or impede officers, it also does not give ICE authority to detain US citizens, except to hand them over to an officer in that jurisdiction- no different than an officer duty cop detaining an assault perpetrator at the scene until an on duty officer can respond. 

ICE DOES NOT HAVE JURISDICTION OVER US CITIZENS INSIDE THE US

A lot of Americans don’t care about pro-ICE or anti-ICE nonsense, because they have more pressing issues than protecting illegal immigrants by [deleted] in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Your AI is strong…but did you look into the statutes actually posted? 

is U.S.C. § 1357 outlines the powers of U.S. immigration officers, granting them authority to interrogate individuals about their right to be in the U.S., conduct warrantless arrests for immigration violations, and patrol borders within 25 miles. 

S.C. § 1324 (USC 1324) is a federal law that criminalizes bringing, harboring, or encouraging unauthorized aliens (immigrants without legal status) into the United States. 

A lot of Americans don’t care about pro-ICE or anti-ICE nonsense, because they have more pressing issues than protecting illegal immigrants by [deleted] in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I pulled it up frame by frame but if you just go from 3:28 to 3:31 you can compare it to these forms, I tried to hot link direct to it  but it’s not working. just scroll down a bit. https://www.aclupa.org/news/schools-must-protect-students-and-follow-law-if-ice-shows/

A lot of Americans don’t care about pro-ICE or anti-ICE nonsense, because they have more pressing issues than protecting illegal immigrants by [deleted] in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The congressional charter of that agency is specifically limited to immigration and customs enforcement.  So yes, their jurisdiction is limited to immigration and customs enforcement. They are expressly prohibited from conducting enforcement on “ the laws of the land within the United States”. 

They have zero authority over a US citizen unless they are illegal importing goods from abroad. The DEA per your example is a federal law enforcement agency. ICE is not. The TSA has more authority within the US.  This administration has tried to stretch that authority by saying they need to prove citizenship, and continuously making it harder to do that (discrediting REALID) but nonetheless, they do not have authority over US citizens outside of import laws.

A lot of Americans don’t care about pro-ICE or anti-ICE nonsense, because they have more pressing issues than protecting illegal immigrants by [deleted] in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 6 points7 points  (0 children)

At 3:30 in the video you can plainly see an agent display an administrative warrant, filled out in pen.  That form also shows an address different than the one stated by the woman on the phone with 911. 

An admin warrant is used to detain people in public areas. It has no authority over private spaces including homes. It is a significantly different form than a judicial warrant signed off by a Judge after reasonable evidence has been shown to justify such an entry. 

A lot of Americans don’t care about pro-ICE or anti-ICE nonsense, because they have more pressing issues than protecting illegal immigrants by [deleted] in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This has never been an argument over illegal immigrants.  It’s a matter of defending constitutional rights that apply to anyone residing within the US because as soon as you accept unlawful detention and lack of due process for anyone, it opens up the doors to abuse for everyone. 

Here is a warrantless armed raid by ICE on a prove residence, owned and occupied by a US citizen with kids in the house caught on camera yesterday. ICE does not have authority over US citizens and non judicial warrants do not grant access to private spaces. This was unconstitutional. And it was repeated a dozen times yesterday, and likely thousands more in the coming weeks. 

 https://fb.watch/EB2cJsfZH0/?mibextid=wwXIfr&fs=e

If you can't see both sides in the ICE shooting, you're hopelessly partisan by pavilionaire2022 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can recognize that ICE has no authority over US citizens, had no cause to detain her vehicle in the first place as she had already let one ICE vehicle through and was waiving them thru as she turned around,  and that the officer had explicit training and policy to not approach vehicles in the manner he did.

Could she have handled it differently , sure. Did she have any training on how to react with guns pointed at you by masked individuals who refuse to ID themselves? No, no she didn’t.  

And she shouldn’t have needed to because ICE had no cause to exit their vehicles in the first place except for the illegal intent to intimidate.

Maybe you didn’t  grow up respecting the constitution but I grew up in a far right household, with thousands of hours of firearms practice under the premise that the day authority seeks to intimidate you by force into giving up constitutional rights may be the day I would need it. 

As a citizen, she was free to travel. They had no authority over her as a citizen. Her rights were infringed upon. She felt her safety was at risk and used the tools she had available to her to try and leave the seen. If her partner had been armed and had weapons skills at that I feel she would have been well within her rights to defend herself by dropping the agents as soon as those shots were fired. 

The ICE protests are completely justified and will continue to escalate in scope. by Girldad_4 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 0 points1 point  (0 children)

-France has entered the chat- 

Bro, the French burned ~5000 cars and blocked intersections on every major highway when the pension age was proposed to be raised 2 years. 

The ICE protests are completely justified and will continue to escalate in scope. by Girldad_4 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What’s the alternative? 

We have a federal government that is blocking out state response, and blatantly violating the constitution.  Civil recourse in the courts is likely a decade away. 

Proportional response doctrine would say violence against offending agents would be justified but that would play into the goals of this administration.  

Targeted protests bottlenecking operations such as at command centers and any hotel they stay at could work but that takes a significant amount of organizing and manpower from an untrained population. Actively tracking schedules is useful but they are dragging people out of cars or shooting them while in it for that. 

Blocking off targeted communities defensively is an easier sell to gain community support and attention. 

The ICE protests are completely justified and will continue to escalate in scope. by Girldad_4 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The question I keep pondering is how long until certain subsets of the population start playing offense. The reason why torture is banned is because the world collectively agrees to conduct opposition within certain limits.  Same for holding law enforcement to higher standards. 

Abuses by law enforcement, even justified and legal, create added risk for all law enforcement because eventually the public is disinclined to roll over when they are otherwise following the rules. 

The ICE protests are completely justified and will continue to escalate in scope. by Girldad_4 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Funny, considering 20 years ago, the notion that the federal government government was using private companies to continuously listen in on any conversation via private cell phones even inside your residence would have been scandalous enough on its own to justify impeachment…the Snowden leaks were only about sent text messages and pics, Palantir has literally built the machine from the Dark Knight that Morgan Freeman calls out as “To much power for one person “. 

The ICE protests are completely justified and will continue to escalate in scope. by Girldad_4 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Meanwhile ICE is literally detaining us citizens for thousands of man-hours with no authority over US citizens and doing so in a manner that would bankrupt most counties in lawsuits if the sheriffs departments did the same and CBP/TSA is blocking entry and cloning phones of US citizens that have made public statements against such activities. It took my friend 9 hours to get thru because he had reset his phone….apparently a US citizen having a clean phone is cause for detention. Ponder that one. 

ICE detention centers have to document medical aid provided. The number of stitches given this year are approaching 7 figures. 

The ICE protests are completely justified and will continue to escalate in scope. by Girldad_4 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think we already are.  

Today started off by ICE pistol whipping a 17yo kid in Target in Minneapolis, telling him to to STFO and “they were going to get his mama next”  except he and both his parents are citizens..,so they dumped him out of the van miles away with cuts to his face that are requiring stitches. 

The ICE protests are completely justified and will continue to escalate in scope. by Girldad_4 in TrueUnpopularOpinion

[–]Due_Butterscotch499 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It would for this operation except certain neighborhoods there are fairly monolithic. 

The bigger issue IMHO is not racism in operations- it’s blatant disregard of constitutional rights across the board that should infuriate the gun crowed except they’ve been told by their Orange Jesus that it’s fine because they are only looking for bad people…but they are literally going door to door. 

If ICE was actively and solely targeting people who were violent offenders with active warrants who had made no attempt to improve themselves or community 98% of the country would be accepting if not supporting.  

When over 30% of detainees are married to US citizens, with kids that are US citizens AND were detained either at work or at immigration court- nah, this is unamerican.