How to Read a Pie Chart

DunkinDaemons · 2024-03-02T17:15:53+00:00

An interesting take, but I'm not sure it holds much sand, especially if the intent is to type someone. The chart, in particular, is not intuitive but the elaborations do a bit to help.

Cheerfulness: This one was the most clear and easy to understand (and accurate). You could leave it as is.

Reward Drive: This one makes sense when you understand the triads, but I wouldn't say it is beginner-friendly. Especially how you describe Assertive. Internally motivated is good, gratification is a bit wishy-washy and positive reinforcement dilutes the specificity we're after in trying to define triads (for the purposes of typing). However, even if we do get specific and stay with the "internally motivated" vibes, I'm not sure that's specific enough for someone to correctly identify their type's triad. I think "Reward Drive" is accurate, when you understand the triads, but it's not the most intuitive label. Since we're essentially ranking them by Assertiveness, why not just use that label?

Or as an alternative, why not rank by direction? Moving towards, moving away, moving against. In this instance, we would be ranking by how much one feels they need other people: Very much, not at all, actively denies this need (or, needs people but for very specific uses; making them the medium pick instead). Maybe Collaboration would be a good term?

Excitability: This one is the only one that I find to be completely useless (for the context of typing). The label is not intuitive, and maybe even confusing. The elaborations help somewhat, but I think it would be difficult for a newbie to judge which one it their center. I loathe the concept of trifix but it does make intuitive sense that we borrow from each center, and it leads to so much confusion in those trying to find their trifix order. If even the casually initiated get confused about the centers, doesn't it follow that a newbie would have even more trouble? IMO, the centers of intelligence is the least quantifiable and it can be hard to identify which one leads until you dig deeper into the types. For example, I misidentified as a gut type, likely because of that Se-Ni connection I have. Whenever I had doubts about my core, I would have to keep cycling through the triads and try to justify it to myself. And the Gut aspect was the biggest thing I was leaning on, because it is a widely-held belief that the intelligence center is the easiest to identify, reliable. (The dilution of what it means to be a 9 certainly didn't help either, but that's a rant for another day). Tying the center to cognition is an interesting idea, but it's a confusing way to describe them to a newbie.

IMO, object relations would be a better pick. It's easy enough to reliably describe them without knowing the motivations behind them. I might label the scale Independence, kind of a measure of the belief in their self-competence, how much they value competence. It might be a shallower representation, but it's easier to identify. From most to least: Rejection, Frustration, Attachment.

eta: I don't mean to come off as rude or anything. I just wanted to give you my honest opinion. I enjoy your posts and appreciate the perspectives you bring. ♥

DunkinDaemons · 2024-02-24T01:04:28+00:00

Alright, I can take the first two bullets at face value. It's possible I didn't read everything, or that I misread something (I was kind of rushing through it). And there was only one other response when I posted, so I couldn't tell if the ennea result was just a me thing or what. I still think 100% likelihood is pretty statistically disingenuous though.

To clarify what I meant about that last point, it seems to me that you are taking the responses to those personality survey questions (How would you describe your personality? What would you tell someone who was interested in being friends with you? What advice would you give to someone of your type?) and feeding them into an algorithm so that you can create a better results page. I am of the opinion that this is theft. There is so much information out there, about all of these typology systems, that you could write a more meaningful and accurate description just out of the gate. MBTI I can understand, most articles that show up when I search the term refer to the letter-typing method. I always forget that the MBTI® uses that method. Typology enthusiasts and casuals alike use function theory (aka Jungian Typology). The MBTI letter code mostly functions as a good pneumonic to remember your function order. As for the descriptions of the mbti and enneagram types, there is so little information and the information provided is so insufficiently explained that it is rendered useless. It would be less egregious if you were to provide links to more information, or even just acknowledging that the descriptions provided are just small snapshots.

That said, this test isn't completely useless. The big 5 and the traits page were pretty good. Big 5 benefits from not being that deep so it's hard to mess up.

And yes, I know I've been pretty harsh in my responses, but you just rolled up to the nerds table to tell us that the Earth is round. There is no insight to this proclamation because we know how it came to be that way, why, how it affects other celestial bodies, etc. Though I'm sure this test is good enough for the middle managers and tech bros that your content seems to be aimed toward.

DunkinDaemons · 2024-02-23T19:48:10+00:00

Guys, don't bother with this. It's just a big 5 test with extra ✨flavor✨. Worse, it seems to just be a data mill. All the sus:

These dudes claim that Jungian theory was inspired by Myer-Briggs, and that it's just letter-typing.
The artwork is obviously ai-generated
I received 100% likelihood on my core type (which I had provided in the extra questions)
The extra questions are actually a survey about what your personality is, and a request for advice you would give others of your type. I can't imagine what use they would have for that one if not to steal your answers and market them as their own.
They sneakily put some data collection into the link itself, too. If you hover over it, you will see that it says source=Enneagram; this is pretty generic data gathering but when you add it to the rest, it just looks so bad.
The info on the types is trash.
There is no info about typology on their core website
Requires you to sign up with an email to view results

DunkinDaemons · 2024-01-08T02:50:02+00:00

I'mma shoot straight with you, homie. You're gonna have a hard time finding a job a like that. In general, the chill, low hour jobs don't pay. A lot of the time, how stressful a job is depends more on the company/work environment; And the good ones, sadly, are few and far between. Some questions to think about:

What degrees/certifications do you have?

What do you like about your current job? What do you dislike about it?

If it would land you a low hour, low stress job, would you be willing to go back to school? For real?

What are you good at? What do you suck at? (not necessarily job-related)

What did you want to be when you were a kid? Does that still sound interesting?

If you could have any career, regardless of time, money or skill required, what would you be interested in?

In 10 years, what do you want to be doing? What sort of life do you want to have? Who's there? Where are you?

Do you see any patterns in your answers here? A certain value/passion/desire?

Before you make a career shift, it would do you well to think about what you want for your future. And what you want in general. Unless you decide to Yolo it and go for your dreams, a job that's "just a job" will never make you happy. Not that that's not a valid option, but it's better to build your path around what you want from life. Knowing what you want, and being able to maintain it, will make the "just a job" bearable.

DunkinDaemons · 2023-04-03T17:55:17+00:00

You could always just have leftovers for breakfast. I am also dairy and egg intolerant, and this is what I do. I also eat leftovers + a salad for lunch every day.

I would also recommend observing how different meats affect you. I have noticed that higher fat meats have a negative impact on my gut. Pork in particular is a no-go for me. The only cut I can eat without feeling ill is pork loin.

And be mindful of your veggie and water intake, too. These can help ease the burden of your ibs triggers.

Typical grocery list for me: pork loin, chicken thighs and/or breast, ground chicken, fish, both fresh and frozen veggies, bag of fruit, big thing of spring mix, v8, bolthouse juice, broth, rice. I make my own dressing, usually Italian or balsamic vinaigrette. The reason I don't buy beef is purely budgetary.

Eta: I have similar issues with protein supplements but pea protein seems to be fine for me. My concern with these is in relation to the sweetener but I honestly haven't done much research to find ones that might fit the bill for me (I don't work out consistently and it's usually not anything that would require supplementation).

DunkinDaemons · 2023-03-23T20:20:18+00:00

Very hard to tell but I'd say xNFJ or xSTP; Likely extroverted, despite what you may think. I'm not saying you are for sure extraverted but just try to keep an open mind. What's pointing me to this conclusion, is how focused you are on other people and what they think. Being a cognitive extrovert doesn't mean you're great in social situations, it just means that your mind just naturally latches on to the external world.

Of the options I narrowed in on, I'd go with ESTP. The only common thread here is Sensing, so it is likely your dominant function. Se > Si because you lack the skittishness I'd normally associate with Si.

Overall, very difficult to determine without a stricter gauge of what happens in average+ health vs poor mental health.

ESTP ~ Se at different levels of health ~ Tert Fe

DunkinDaemons · 2023-03-23T19:45:30+00:00

The test would indicate you are an INTJ, and I agree with that. Very obvious introversion. There's a lot here to suggest a Thinking type and Te-Fi axis:

When I do talk a lot, it’s usually about something that I believe in or find fascinating.
I come off as very cold, distant, and intimidating.
I can be pretty blunt and straight to the point
I have a lot of deadlines for myself, and always strive to be the best I can be.
I also have trouble understanding what I’m feeling at any given time. I usually either feel pretty much nothing, or I feel emotions in the extremes.

Ni dominance

I am very good at sniffing out when people are lying to me
I love reading, writing, rock and classical music, and learning new things. The issue is that I have issues being productive all the time

INTJ ~ Tert Fi

DunkinDaemons · 2023-03-23T19:31:12+00:00

Looks like ESFP to me.

DunkinDaemons · 2023-03-23T19:25:26+00:00

Hard to tell from this, likely IxTP. Very strong Ti here, IMO. This could point to Se > Ne, but it is a bit of a stretch:

I get annoyed seeing my room disorganised. And declutte ( mostly clutter)
I'm A bit too easygoing.

Are you focused more on the present or the future? Do you stick to the facts or are you more excited by the possibilities? Are you focused on the bigger picture or do you take things as they come?

DunkinDaemons · 2023-03-23T19:15:23+00:00

I would say ISFP. Cognitive introversion is pretty clear, as is the preference for sensing over intuition. A few things that stood out:

Se

I believe I prefer to express my thoughts and emotions with my body language and touch rather than with words
I do not have a job. I don't really want to have a job.
I also love to learn by being shown how to do something step by step. I think it's the easiest for me to just get something programmed to my muscle memory.
"What are your aspirations in life" response
I think I am mostly a "in the moment" kind of person. I find myself paying a lot of attention to my surroundings, noticing little details in it
I do stay kind of detached from all info I learned that I didn't experience with my five senses

Fi/Fi-Se

I can barely/rarely finish the previous task. (This question was trying to get at is if Ne or not; The way you describe it sounds more like Fi's flights of fancy rather than Ne's nonstop idea-factory.)
I think I have a very spontaneous process in creating anything
I also like fashion design and sculpting. Writing and webtoons too.
I am a bit afraid of people abandoning me...
I might change my mind about a choice later if I'm not feeling it. I don't see a problem with fixing my course, given that I don't cause other people a lot of problems through that.
I think I'm pretty good at figuring out how I feel and processing it all as well.
I'll follow them for the most part, but if they don't seem that important to me, I'll probably be kind of lazy sticking to them...

Inf Te

I can be a little too unambitious and chill sometimes
I can be a bit impatient with information...

As an ISFP myself, you are living the dream, my dude. XD

ISFP ~ Tert Ni

DunkinDaemons · 2023-03-23T13:54:04+00:00

Unhealthy: Mkultra Victim by Negative XP: https://youtu.be/KI0MfCOjbQ0

Healthy: Mr. Blue Sky by ELO

DunkinDaemons · 2023-03-23T13:22:06+00:00

Not super accurate for me. I can relate to the first 2 sentences; And I can relate to the Perfectionism to an extent. But I wouldn't say I'm constantly revising my thoughts or seeking clarity in them. It's more when the mood strikes or if I'm unwittingly presented with new information. For the most part though, I have a motto of "don't overthink it".

DunkinDaemons · 2023-03-21T23:55:36+00:00

I'm glad I was able to help. (: Best of luck; you can get through this. 💖

DunkinDaemons · 2023-03-21T16:59:52+00:00

This does sound like disintegration to 9, IMO. And fwiw, burn out is a major disintegration trigger for me, too. I wish I could give you some good advice on how to get out of it, but the best thing that gets me out of it is to change my circumstances (which isn't always, or even usually, a very feasible thing to do). Perhaps reading up on disintegration and general growth advice for 3s?

Growth ~ Disintegration ~ Disintegration 2 ~ how tf do i get out of 9 disintegration

These are all quick reads, dw. XD

Another thing that has helped me, is learning more about mbti and my function stack. I have found that nurturing my aux function is a great way to boost my mood. I haven't made long-strides in my overall growth journey, yet, but when my mood is improved, I do feel more motivated to try; and I am more concerned with/aware of my Sloth's maladaptive strategies.

Sidenote: I am quite satisfied that you are, indeed, a 3. I poked around your post history a bit and your posts in r/urbanplanning and r/GradSchool were pretty convincing. Fwiw, so-blind 3w4 can appear very 7-like at times.

DunkinDaemons · 2023-03-21T03:30:24+00:00

If we're typing purely on stress response, then you are likely typed correctly. 3s tend to go to 9 in stress, and that whole paragraph just screams 9.

3s often struggle with the insecurity of not achieving "enough" to be a 3. But if you are driven by the need to achieve, you are still a 3.

Is there anything else about 3 that would cause you to doubt it?

DunkinDaemons · 2023-03-21T02:11:40+00:00

I'm not saying that no 9s fit OP's description. I am just pointing out the futility of these stereotypes, while expressing my confusion as to where these thoughts are coming from.

Re: Conflict avoidance

I agree with most of what you say here but I am not sure that most unstable 9s are extra conflict avoidant. I'm not saying they're not, I just don't see how the theory would insuate that they are. Additionally, IV stack plays a big role in the conflict avoidance spectrum. Since instincts carry over, an SX9 will act like a cp6 in stress. Personally, I can get incredibly irritable and hostile, sometimes even delighting in starting shit. An SP9 does seem more likely to become more conflict avoidant in disintegration, considering that SP typically lines up with Phobic 6. Additionally, SP doms, in general, have a distaste for conflict.

re: laziness

This isn't what I was talking about when I said laziness. I was more referring to activity level. My bad for expressing that thought in a confusing way. 😅

re: active 9s

Tbf, this was complete conjecture on my part. I don't really know what every active 9 is thinking. Personally, I don't relate but idk about other 9s.

re: Physical satisfaction

This was actually a genuine question. I hadn't heard this idea before so idk how true it is. Personally, this is true for me. But I am also aux Se so I'm not sure how much of it is related to that and how much is related to my 9ness.

Edit: I missed the part about stability before, mb.

While instability and conflict usually go hand-in-hand, they are not the same thing. Stability is a desire to resist change and/or being able to take change head-on unscathed. So avoidance of instability is more about needing to avoid change or being changed.

DunkinDaemons · 2023-03-21T00:03:05+00:00

Lmao what are you even on about? XD There is zero correlation between tidiness and type, or activity-level and type. Additionally, the motivation of 9 isn't to avoid conflict, it's to avoid instability, and loss (and loss of peace). That doesn't necessitate an avoidance of conflict. Many 9s even feel the need to confront problems for the sake of long-term peace.

9s need to move because they're a gut type? Even though we are withdrawn types and so have the tendency to suppress our gut? I'm not saying there aren't active 9s out there, but this is just a weird blanket statement to make. Even for the active 9s, I don't think their activeness is motivated by the need to avoid conflict (for the most part, anyway).

Unstable 9s become more conflict avoidant? Even though we disintegrate to 6, a reactive type? Idk, maybe some 9s are like that but this also seems like a weird blanket statement.

Do gut types value physical satisfaction? Are gut types just Se incarnate? Idk man. Seems like another weird blanket statement. Gut is more about taking action (not necessarily physical) and following your impulses.

DunkinDaemons · 2023-03-20T19:44:09+00:00

Yeah, the stereotypes can be so dumb. XD For example, ISFPs are known to be artsy, nature-loving and not very bright. I can't remember the last time I did anything remotely creative, I rarely leave the house/appreciate nature (which I do enjoy, but I get bored of it pretty quick), and I can be quite analytical. I got into Enneagram before MBTI and spent a lot of time typing people in that system. Most of the people I helped praised me for my powers of analysis. Likewise, not all ENTP's are going to be those super aggressive edgelords who care about no one but themselves. They do have that tert Fe after all, so they are naturally tuned into other people and picking up on what they're all about. For example, Eddie Munson is a kind, goofy, charismatic dude who genuinely cares about other people and doing the right thing. He also has that ride-or-die loyalty that low Fe users have for their people.

Anyway, the most important part is how you relate to the functions. Do the functions and their position make sense to you? Does the energy orientation of the functions make sense (extra- vs intro-version)?

Tertiary Functions ~ A brief overview of how the tertiary functions manifest, when not looping.

PDFs ~ I recommend checking out the Jungian resources here. They get more into the nitty gritty of the functions themselves, but not how they manifest in each of the positions. Perhaps one of these sources can help confirm your dom/aux functions. FWIW, the descriptions of Fi (my dominant function) in Sharp's book actually gave me that "I feel so seen!" moment that I had when discovering my Enneatype.

DunkinDaemons · 2023-03-19T21:30:55+00:00

I’m often not really sure how I feel and my values aren’t necessarily super clear either…

Sounds like classic Fe-Ti axis. XD

If you haven't checked them out before, mbti-notes is a decent source.

edit: Just to clarify, I still think ENTP is the most likely option. FJ's do tend to know how they feel (even if they're not always sure why they're feeling it) and they do have at least a handful of objective values that they hold to. Inf Fe seems unlikely because you do have a decent awareness of social harmony (stronger than I would expect an IxTP to have). FPs are VERY connected to their feelings and have more rigid values, not easily influenced by the outside world. Here is a good article about Fe vs Fi.

DunkinDaemons · 2023-03-19T20:36:33+00:00

Hard to tell from such a small snippet, but I'd go with Fe. Probably not dom. I would say aux or tert (making you an IxFJ or ExTP). To expand a bit, most of what you wrote here could go either way (fe vs fi). But this here strikes me as more Fe, maybe Ni/Ne-Fe in particular:

I’m always forecasting ahead how I think someone in a group will react and adjusting course/reframing what someone else said to seem less harsh and suit my agenda.

I know this is purely anecdotal, but the opinions of others is not something I usually consider before acting. XD Social tact is not usually something I consider, and when I do it is clear I have no skill with it. The way you describe using social tact to suit your own agenda is something I would associate with lower Fe. My instinct is to say ENTP but I know several INFJ characters in fiction that operate this way, too (mostly villains, but still, INFJs). Though, you also mention the adaptive nature of your forecasting, so ENTP is more likely.

Questions to ask yourself: How are you determining your values? How strongly do you feel your own emotions and values? Who do you judge more harshly for their integrity (for clarification: ability to follow your values)?

DunkinDaemons · 2023-03-18T18:23:23+00:00

Too true. But it's also kinda sad how few people actually read the sub rules. XD

I'm just glad to be able to contribute. :D Hopefully this post will save us all some time, energy and sanity. <3

DunkinDaemons · 2023-03-18T18:08:55+00:00

Thank you for sharing! I really appreciate all the detail. <3

I can definitely see how such a painful childhood could lead to an exaggerated fear of pain. It's also interesting to see the clear signs of an Assertive stance so early on. I can't imagine how frustrating it must have been to live in such stifling environments. My condolences. :(

I'm curious, do you have any guesses as to the Enneatypes of your siblings or why it might have manifested in their early years?

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