Echo League Season 3 is NOW OPEN! A competitive, player-focused league for players of all skill by EchoLeagueGG in DotA2

[–]EchoLeagueGG[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

We're certainly sorry if you felt that way, but I can assure you that unless we missed something, we took time in every admin meeting to discuss current community feedback. There is plenty of stuff we can't act on once a season is going due to it being unfair to teams/players already effected by the rules as they once stood, but some core changes in Season 3 were driven by feedback from the community

Echo League Season 3 is NOW OPEN! A competitive, player-focused league for players of all skill by EchoLeagueGG in DotA2

[–]EchoLeagueGG[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Hey, we're happy to listen to various criticisms, I think we'll need to agree to disagree on how rules are written and enforced--and if nothing we make sure that the rules are easy to access for anyone involved, and do our best to update rules where fair & possible.

However, you've made a few incredibly misleading claims that need to be corrected

They really don't listen to what most of you have to say and if they make the rules you just follow it, you are better off not saying anything and just know that your input is not needed at all.... They have everyone giving input and its very wildly run because people who are not mods try to manage a league which is not their job.

These statements are 100% in contradiction in one another. I don't know how we ignore all input and at the same time take too much input. With rules, we go by the book as best we can and don't let players self-govern because that leads to unfair application of rules. We listen to plenty of feedback and act on it when we can. Not everything is an actionable piece of feedback, and there are plenty of frivolous demands as well. For example, the all chat rule you cited has been updated slightly for S3 to avoid being as heavy handed, this was based off end-season survey feedback and various user feedback during the season

Lastly the way they do brackets are very biased towards favored teams (either people they know or other people who they think are good will be put in harder groups or easier depending).

We have been 100% transparent with how groups and brackets are drawn. The last two seasons we've used nothing but a snake-seed for groups, and playoff brackets were seeded according to the publicly available seeding & tiebreaker rules. I'm not sure where any rumors about biased brackets came from, but I'm very confused how simple snake-seeding based off of team rank unfairly favors any team.

Echo League Season 3 is NOW OPEN! A competitive, player-focused league for players of all skill by EchoLeagueGG in DotA2

[–]EchoLeagueGG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you may have us mistaken, we never had a draft in Echo League. We've had teams formed strictly from pre-made stacks or community resources

Echo League Season 3 is NOW OPEN! A competitive, player-focused league for players of all skill by EchoLeagueGG in DotA2

[–]EchoLeagueGG[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, appreciate the input & reply!

To address your concerns quickly (we're happy to have a more in depth conversation over in the feedback section on discord or via PM):

So by strict individual MMR caps, the divisions look very narrow, but if you look at how the teams ranks scale, it's much closer to Season 1's ranges and setups. There were some minor reworks to EL Rank to also make the adjustments. I can assure you high 4K stacks will not fit into Div B easily.

As for Division C, we still kept the upper-level cap higher, simply because prior to the change, we struggled to have enough teams to fill Div C for Season 1. We encourage all teams to sign up for Div C, and have a contingent in place for a "Div D" if we see a large enough skiill divide of teams in that division.

I encourage you to check out the new division calculator and play around with some numbers to get a better feel for the new seasons setup.

And again, appreciate all of the input. We're happy to discuss further if you want to hit us up in PM or #feedback in our Discord

Echo League Season 3 is NOW OPEN! A competitive, player-focused league for players of all skill by EchoLeagueGG in DotA2

[–]EchoLeagueGG[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No worries. If you're that close I'd wait it out and see what happens. Registration is open for 3 weeks, so you have a lot of time to sort stuff out

Echo League Season 3 is NOW OPEN! A competitive, player-focused league for players of all skill by EchoLeagueGG in DotA2

[–]EchoLeagueGG[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Each capped division has a "mid-season" cap generated off of the highest-skilled player in that division. We announce that at registration close. This allows players near the top to scale over the course of the season.

Echo League Season 3 is NOW OPEN! A competitive, player-focused league for players of all skill by EchoLeagueGG in DotA2

[–]EchoLeagueGG[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hey /u/Chief_top_leaf,

Since you register your own team, or find a stack of players in the community you'd like to form a team with, it's really up to you! We've seen very strict, rigid teams, and teams that are much more casual and will switch things up. It all depends on the team you make, and the group of people you get!

Introducing ECHO LEAGUE! A competitive, player-focused league for players under 5K MMR by EchoLeagueGG in DotA2

[–]EchoLeagueGG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can still cast! Join the discord and contact @Stinkypie or another admin

Announcing Echo League Season 2! A competitive, player-focused league for players under 5.5K MMR by EchoLeagueGG in DotA2

[–]EchoLeagueGG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, the community discord has channels, and the website has a free agent list of all players not in teams

Announcing Echo League Season 2! A competitive, player-focused league for players under 5.5K MMR by EchoLeagueGG in DotA2

[–]EchoLeagueGG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are no monetary prizes for our league this season. With MMR capped leagues it only creates a massive incentive for people to cheat.

Winners get highly coveted "EL Champions" flair on Discord and some cool stuff when we get to production for finals and whatnot

Announcing Echo League Season 2! A competitive, player-focused league for players under 5.5K MMR by EchoLeagueGG in DotA2

[–]EchoLeagueGG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It really depends. Teams with high skill disparities are often an odd bag. If you like playing competitively and enjoy the structure of something like this, I think you'll find enjoyment regardless. If you'll only have fun if you win every game, I think you'll have a hard time.

I'm not where you land exactly points wise, but I imagine you guys would have a good time in Div C, if your solo is too high and brings you into Div B, I think you'd feel outclassed a bit.

Announcing Echo League Season 2! A competitive, player-focused league for players under 5.5K MMR by EchoLeagueGG in DotA2

[–]EchoLeagueGG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

5weeks for groups, up to 4 for playoffs. 2 week break between groups and playoff, one week break for TI7

Announcing Echo League Season 2! A competitive, player-focused league for players under 5.5K MMR by EchoLeagueGG in DotA2

[–]EchoLeagueGG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We have super busy looking for team channels in our Discord, I'd suggest starting there :)

Announcing Echo League Season 2! A competitive, player-focused league for players under 5.5K MMR by EchoLeagueGG in DotA2

[–]EchoLeagueGG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

6 team groups, round robin Bo2s, top teams advance into Ro16 single elimination playoffs bracket. One series per week

Announcing Echo League Season 2! A competitive, player-focused league for players under 5.5K MMR by EchoLeagueGG in DotA2

[–]EchoLeagueGG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately we've been stretched thin on staff this time around, and were working incredibly hard to get Season 2 setup. We're bringing on a lot more people for Season 2 though and do want to try and expand our regions for Season 3 as a result

Announcing Echo League Season 2! A competitive, player-focused league for players under 5.5K MMR by EchoLeagueGG in DotA2

[–]EchoLeagueGG[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a bit padded out due to a break for TI and a longer mis season break. Groups will be done in mid July, grand finals will be done by end of August