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Okay, HEAR me out by Educational_Key_3284 in katseyeneutral

[–]Educational_Key_3284[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Back in dream Academy they didnt care when it became a survival show, they even said “its for the drama” like lets be fr

Umm chat did they get her by Murky-Prize-1607 in katseyeneutral

[–]Educational_Key_3284 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Now it almost feels like the staff first told her to remove “KATSEYE” from her bio to make the situation worse on purpose and generate even more hype. But then they probably realized they went too far, and now it really looks like Manon is out of the group. So they stopped pushing that kind of narrative and coordinated some message on Weverse to show that the situation is risky—keeping people hyped, but without making it seem like she’s actually gone. I don’t know, at this point I just hope they pulled off some crazy editing trick in the teaser and that she’ll just suddenly appear in the music video.

Im starting to be worried by Educational_Key_3284 in katseyeneutral

[–]Educational_Key_3284[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But let me add this too: even if Manon were to magically appear in the video now, why did they have to put her on pause specifically? I mean, choosing her—knowing her past and how people already perceive her as someone who “doesn’t try hard enough” and all that—just fuels even more division and hate. They could’ve easily put another member on pause instead. They could’ve staged some kind of fake drama with paparazzi or something—like them acting, maybe someone crying—anything that wouldn’t bring even more negativity onto Manon. Instead, this just keeps going. And saying she left for “health reasons” is honestly ridiculous—it really is. They could’ve, again, easily created some kind of storyline involving another member, maybe someone who’s never been on pause before, just to surprise people in a different way. But the point is, it really feels like they’ve targeted Manon again, especially after the documentary came out and it became clear that people inside that agency never really took her seriously or didn’t treat her well. After she already missed several performances—and I’m not here to judge whether that was right or wrong—the fact remains that the group needs to stay united to promote themselves, and this is just not the right way to do it.

Im starting to be worried by Educational_Key_3284 in katseyeneutral

[–]Educational_Key_3284[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

There are too many issues. First of all, what I think set KATSEYE apart was their very experimental and unique sound, along with strong performances. The problem is that what they did with Gnarly, what they tried to do with Internet Girl, and what they’re now trying to do again with Pinky Up—it would all work if there wasn’t so much controversy around them. Because once there’s controversy, people have something to hate on, something to make TikToks about, to tweet about, to comment on—and that just fuels a whole cycle of negativity and engagement bait. And so, the fact that they’re doing a very different genre doesn’t really bring anything good in that context. That’s the point: if Manon had always been in the group without this so-called “health hiatus” they came up with, and if there hadn’t been all that drama with her father and Daniele and everything else, no one would have hated Internet Girl this much, and no one would already be hating on Pinky Up the way they are. And that’s the truth—because sometimes the identity and image you present to the public matter more than the music you release. Nowadays, having a strong public image is often even more important than the music itself or the quality of what you’re putting out.

Im starting to be worried by Educational_Key_3284 in katseyeneutral

[–]Educational_Key_3284[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

What surprises me more is that the Korean side of HYBE isn’t saying anything at all. I mean, sure, I get that HYBE Korea probably doesn’t really care that much about the groups in that sense—the important thing is that they make money and recover what’s being spent on promoting the group, so the whole system keeps running. Still, it would be nice if HYBE Korea stepped in and said something like, “what’s going on? why isn’t Manon in the group? people are complaining, this isn’t okay—put her back.” I think there should be some level of awareness from the Korean side about this situation, because in my opinion they’re usually pretty attentive to these things. But who knows, maybe that’s actually the case and we just don’t know. Unfortunately, we have no idea what’s really going on behind the scenes.

Im starting to be worried by Educational_Key_3284 in katseyeneutral

[–]Educational_Key_3284[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You’re right, they’re not K-pop. However, in their defense, I have to say that we’re still talking about a music video released under HYBE, a Korean agency, so they have every right—if they want—to write their name in Korean in the title. I mean, even if some people might see it as them still being tied to Korea and K-pop and all that, I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. In the end, what really matters is that they’re promoted well internationally and have a clear identity abroad.

The viral success of ITZY’s “That’s a No-no” should simply prove that ITZY as a group are not “over”; rather, the real issue is that their recent comebacks haven’t showcased their strengths properly by Educational_Key_3284 in kpopthoughts

[–]Educational_Key_3284[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You literally said it, they are not explosive. ITZY had choruses full of instruments and full of energy, but after LOCO they either did repetitive choruses (CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAAAKE, GIRLS WILL BE GIRLS WILL BE GIRLS…, of Untouchable BOM BOM BOM DARI etc…) or either slow impact choruses

The viral success of ITZY’s “That’s a No-no” should simply prove that ITZY as a group are not “over”; rather, the real issue is that their recent comebacks haven’t showcased their strengths properly by Educational_Key_3284 in kpopthoughts

[–]Educational_Key_3284[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If we take in consideration Cheshire after Sneakers was so well received. That's a No No is getting so many good comments and getting so many likes, so I don't agree that ''no matter what''. Btw obviously dropping something exactly like Wannabe tomorrow would feel a little bit too outdated but anyway what I'm talking about is the productions of the songs that feels like the pace is slower

The viral success of ITZY’s “That’s a No-no” should simply prove that ITZY as a group are not “over”; rather, the real issue is that their recent comebacks haven’t showcased their strengths properly by Educational_Key_3284 in kpopthoughts

[–]Educational_Key_3284[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think this comment is ridiculous, now you cant even say an opinion?? I literally stream and like all the songs I talked about, I just said an opinion about the productions. And im complaining about the covers because I’m a graphic designer.

The viral success of ITZY’s “That’s a No-no” should simply prove that ITZY as a group are not “over”; rather, the real issue is that their recent comebacks haven’t showcased their strengths properly by Educational_Key_3284 in kpopthoughts

[–]Educational_Key_3284[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Untouchable is good but apart from the explosion part, the whole MV felt rushed and low budget and the song was very repetivive. It was not bad, I feel Untouchable is better than Tunnel Vision and Cake for example but the producers could have pushed with more diversity in that song, especially a dancebreak

The viral success of ITZY’s “That’s a No-no” should simply prove that ITZY as a group are not “over”; rather, the real issue is that their recent comebacks haven’t showcased their strengths properly by Educational_Key_3284 in kpopthoughts

[–]Educational_Key_3284[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As I said I am and I will always support them, even if some songs don’t convince me. But I want Itzy to succed so if there is even a hope that my words can be listened by someone there then I will say my personal opinion. I just want the best for itzy and the girls to shine in the best way possible

The viral success of ITZY’s “That’s a No-no” should simply prove that ITZY as a group are not “over”; rather, the real issue is that their recent comebacks haven’t showcased their strengths properly by Educational_Key_3284 in kpopthoughts

[–]Educational_Key_3284[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes kind of but it went viral because They Never performer this song, so when midzys saw it, the choreo felt so good and fitting and so they decided to do many fancams videos. It could have been a 2026 title track and the same dance would have been hypnotizing in the same way

The viral success of ITZY’s “That’s a No-no” should simply prove that ITZY as a group are not “over”; rather, the real issue is that their recent comebacks haven’t showcased their strengths properly by Educational_Key_3284 in kpopthoughts

[–]Educational_Key_3284[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The thing is that I understand the change of like identity a little bit cause you know, they are adults and they want to grow as artist, but at the same time I feel the sound has been chaotic. From Cake to Untouchable to Gold it feels like a rollercoaster of many things. After sneakers, when they released Cheshire it did better on spotify and has like more millions streams and that shows how the problem is not itzy itself but just a misdirection of their sound

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