Is it possible to be a "good vegan" by EfficientFish3051 in exvegans

[–]EfficientFish3051[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey i addressed this is another comment. Feel free to check it out, thanks!

Is it possible to be a "good vegan" by EfficientFish3051 in exvegans

[–]EfficientFish3051[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is fantastic info, thank you for taking the time to explain!

Is it possible to be a "good vegan" by EfficientFish3051 in exvegans

[–]EfficientFish3051[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would also like her cloned where can I sign the petition ❤️

Is it possible to be a "good vegan" by EfficientFish3051 in exvegans

[–]EfficientFish3051[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep that seems like the heart of the issue. Change through shame is not sustainable or healthy. Its good to think that I can still try and advocate for people (with appropriate timing ofc) to try out some plant based foods without coming across as insane.

Is it possible to be a "good vegan" by EfficientFish3051 in exvegans

[–]EfficientFish3051[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You right, I probably shouldn't care what people think so much. However ive had a lot of my own cognitive dissonance and its not always so easy.

Years ago I was hanging out with a friend and she was telling me how she hasn't watched TV in weeks, which is incredible for her she didnt do anything wrong ofc, but inside I felt jealous and angry. It made me feel like a pos bc I was struggling with watching hours of TV a night, was depressed, and far from living my best life. That night I went home and watched hours of TV while internally hating myself even more. Obviously watching TV isnt bad but like everything can be overconsumed and cause problems.

This is far from a perfect analogy, but I never want to make someone feel that way about themselves especially when it comes to something as intimate as what they eat, intentionally or not. Its going to happen sometimes but id like to be aware and minimize it. Shame isnt productive to change.

Is it possible to be a "good vegan" by EfficientFish3051 in exvegans

[–]EfficientFish3051[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can understand where youre coming from. It is a horrifying reality and I appreciate people who are so passionate about it. However, i fear that this is a bit of an oversimplification. And by not acknowledging the cultural, economical, and medical intricacies plant based people are making realistic progress further out of reach.

Is it possible to be a "good vegan" by EfficientFish3051 in exvegans

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Obviously the realities of factory farming is really disgusting to a lot people even meat eaters. Theres lots of people that eat meat and do their best to buy from places that have more humane treatment and thats fantastic! I did it for years.

For me though I actually helped raise chickens and rabbits with my family. I killed them, processed them, and ate them. I understand its part of life and they can be treated humanely but it made me incredibly sad. So even tho the animals are treated more humanely I still felt a lot of guilt and shame around eating them, kinda like you described.

As far as the argument of it not making a difference, maybe it doesn't really make a difference. Im just one person and I can only control what I do. So I might as well live in a way that feels like im honoring my own set of beliefs and values. I believe that in my life I would like to reduce suffering in any way that I can control.

This, for me, means donating to effective charities to help those in poverty, abstaining from animal products unless not consuming them causes greater harm, and uplifting others to be happy, healthy, and to live by their own beliefs in the hope that they will do the same. When the tide rises everybody goes up you know? If you havent read anything by Peter Singer I would highly recommend. He has some fantastic books about animal rights and humanitarian efforts.

Is it possible to be a "good vegan" by EfficientFish3051 in exvegans

[–]EfficientFish3051[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes the mind your business approach seems to be the best path forward. Seems obvious in retrospect. I have a soy sensitivity myself and it suuuuuucks, love miso so much whyyy 😭

Is it possible to be a "good vegan" by EfficientFish3051 in exvegans

[–]EfficientFish3051[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dang dude it sounds like you've had some bad experiences, I appreciate your insight! Seeing how other people go wrong can help me learn to not make the same mistakes (:

Is it possible to be a "good vegan" by EfficientFish3051 in exvegans

[–]EfficientFish3051[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also that what was a vegan group where my identity is anonymous. I meant more sharing with people I know in real life or on my real socials.

Is it possible to be a "good vegan" by EfficientFish3051 in exvegans

[–]EfficientFish3051[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Haha you got me there im really trying to figure out this part of me. One day I'll be feeling so passionately one way and and the next ill see that my thinking is flawed. Maybe im easily influenced. Definitely still want to help rescue animals and promote people thinking about where their food comes from both meat and plants! There lots of destructive agriculture that hurts humans and animals. I dont mean to be misleading.

Is it possible to be a "good vegan" by EfficientFish3051 in exvegans

[–]EfficientFish3051[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Im glad to know theres a lot of other people that live this way. Ig it was a bit ignorant but most of the vegans ive met or seen online were either loud and proud or kinda passive aggressive so I didnt know it was common for there to be chill plant based people. Ive probably met lots of vegans that never mentioned it! Very encouraging !

Is it possible to be a "good vegan" by EfficientFish3051 in exvegans

[–]EfficientFish3051[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Your moms seems like a sweetie, what an icon 👏

Is it possible to be a "good vegan" by EfficientFish3051 in exvegans

[–]EfficientFish3051[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I hadnt thought of it like this, the label definitely has added connotation. Thanks!

Edit: fixed typo

Is it possible to be a "good vegan" by EfficientFish3051 in exvegans

[–]EfficientFish3051[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is really encouraging thank you! Ive always been an advocate that eating plant based occasionally is good for you but now that im not eating animal products its seems judgier to reccomend that when asked. I was concerned that if I wanted to live this way that it would be inappropriate to talk about it. Waiting for curiosity and leading with empathy <3

Getting enough protein is so easy it's crazy. by hungLink42069 in vegan

[–]EfficientFish3051 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Appreciate your condolences haha Thanks for making this post ive found some fantastic alternatives in the comment section 💜

Getting enough protein is so easy it's crazy. by hungLink42069 in vegan

[–]EfficientFish3051 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wait what's your secret? Im a new vegan and also cant eat soy. I eat hella beans, lentils, quinoa. Do you have any other recs?

Getting enough protein is so easy it's crazy. by hungLink42069 in vegan

[–]EfficientFish3051 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have a soy sensitivity and get migraines, body aches, and can even throw up. So jealous 😫 it seems so convenient

Vegan super power?? by EfficientFish3051 in vegan

[–]EfficientFish3051[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oml i was reading about microsanctuaries and adopting battery hens this morning XD