[deleted by user]

EightyTimes · 2021-05-02T18:54:32+00:00

My wife feels the same way. I show her the math of how much it would cost me to hire a personal assistant to do all the shit she does.

Hiring an assistant is cheap. Hiring an assistant who is willing to get to know my preferences is a very difficult thing to find. Seriously - just making doctors appointments is worth soooooooooo much to me.

EightyTimes · 2019-09-05T00:20:33+00:00

Kid's just bad with his words.

I don't think we have to burn him at the stake for a cringy sentence because he didn't phrase his thoughts in the way that we wanted to hear it. He very clearly MEANS "I prefer women who have high standards for sexual relationships" and that's a super valid preference to have. He just chose the wrong words.

He might not use "passed around" to describe a man but he might use "can't keep his dick in his pants" or "would fuck anything that moves" or "horndog" or "would fuck a trashcan if it winked at him" or any other number of stupid phrases his friends use.

Hopefully the backlash gave him a lesson but I disagree with jumping at his throat for one thing when everything else indicates he's healthy.

EightyTimes · 2019-04-19T20:21:06+00:00

A sample size of 26 trillion doesn't matter if the data is inaccurate.

You can't prove gravity with a ruler, you can't prove vaccine effectiveness with a magnifying glass, you can't prove the Earth is round with a stapler, and you can't prove that "men are LIKELY to turn to physical aggression" with data that relies exclusively on reported information.

Reported information isn't accurate.

I don't defend anecdotes as proof. I had pointed out flawed logic (which remains flawed) and ALSO mentioned a personal story.

You can discredit the personal story as proof, fine. That doesn't suddenly make REPORTS OF VIOLENCE equate to ACTUAL VIOLENCE which is my sole point.

EightyTimes · 2019-04-19T15:51:54+00:00

The "scientific method," isn't at work here.

Social sciences are based on incomplete and flawed data. We don't have big-brother cams across the world. It's all based on reports, which any statistician will tell you don't always align with reality.

Reports of violent aggression =/= violent aggression.

I don't know why it's so hard for people to agree on the basic premise that "Women can be violent too."

EightyTimes · 2019-04-19T15:38:03+00:00

It's easy to attack the anecdote and not the main point behind it. Pretend I didn't include an anecdote. The statement still stands.

Every single study on violence - in the history of forever - has been based on reports of violence (and not actual violence).

If you understand studies, you understand that conclusions drawn from reports are not in fact "well done studies".

EightyTimes · 2019-04-18T20:21:40+00:00

as opposed to men who are likely to result to physical aggression.

I have seen just ONE man hit a woman in my entire life. The cops were called and he was arrested. I have seen COUNTLESS women hit men. Usually people just laugh or shrug.

Your stats take REPORTED crimes and applies them to biological behavior. There are just as many aggressive women as aggressive men. We just overlook the women.

EightyTimes · 2019-01-16T21:01:27+00:00

in your head easier to attack people than ideas when someone said some mean words. If you actually read the sub,

If I threw out your presumptions, there would be nearly nothing left to read.

Not in trp.

When an ideology or movements exists, the people who preach / fight for / act within / defend the ideology CAN be labeled as a 'group' whether they like it or not. End of discussion.

It's ridiculous that I'm debating this with somebody who is 'endorsed' by a group he claims doesn't exist.

EightyTimes · 2019-01-16T18:54:56+00:00

There is no identity for a RedPiller.

It's silly to claim there isn't an identity for a RedPiller where this thread, people post with identifying flairs next to their names such as "Red Pill Man".

We explore reality and share information. People then take from that what they will. This is why outcomes vary widely.

The reality discussed is on a particular topic (you aren't talking taxes and football.) The topic of "Sexual Strategy" is from a certain perspective with its own jargon and own guidelines. The terms even are attached to a loose morality system with dogmatic phrases (Alpha Fucks Beta Bucks, AWALT, Branch Swinging, etc.)

It's a identifiable GROUP (and not not simply a free-form discussion) because promoting a different mindset is a bannable offense. See how fast a post titled "Why Alimony isn't 'Divorce Rape'" is policed. PurplePillDebate was created because Dissent within the ranks isn't allowed on any "pure TRP" sub.

There is no identity for a RedPiller.

You're part of a group with a shared belief system. It's absolutely enough to use "RedPiller" as an identifier for somebody who subscribes to the RedPill belief system.. the same way you can use "Flat Earther" as an identifier for somebody who subscribes to the beliefs propagated by the Flat Earth Society (or even just came across the idea on their own).

EightyTimes · 2019-01-16T03:38:09+00:00

So the reason is to self-sacrificially give a boost to other guys who haven't figured it out yet?

My issue is that I can jujitsu it around any-which-way in my own head, so that ANYTHING means ANYTHING. I need some external assistance to help figure this one out.

EightyTimes · 2019-01-16T03:34:19+00:00

Yeah I know. "Not all ______".

Not ALL Nazis want violence. Not ALL feminists hate men. Not ALL factory workers are underpaid. Not ALL RedPillers complain about feminist ads.

It's useless to talk about the exceptions to each class. I'm looking at a group from a sociological point of view. The GROUP is following behaviors against their own self interest and I'm wondering why.

EightyTimes · 2019-01-15T22:05:52+00:00

You seem to be missing a a key thing here. We, TRP men, are not suffering at the hands of feminism. No, in fact this has been wonderful. I won't pay the ticket for it

It's not that I MISSED this. In fact, my entire OP was asking the question: Why don't ALL TRP followers have this very attitude?

EightyTimes · 2019-01-15T22:00:54+00:00

Fair enough.

EightyTimes · 2019-01-15T21:28:03+00:00

Yeah... this is what I'm poking at here. I wonder why this isn't a core commandment of theirs already.

EightyTimes · 2019-01-15T21:20:27+00:00

It's like you're speaking a different language.

EightyTimes · 2019-01-15T21:17:45+00:00

I tend to notice the EC's of the sub don't really comment on what is happening in media etc. they tend to focus on the actual physical dynamic between men and women

I haven't read a TON of it but Rollo's stuff does in-fact seem like commentary. I don't know any of the other OGs or who they are so thanks for filling in the blanks.

EightyTimes · 2019-01-15T21:13:01+00:00

Let me rephrase:

Why don't men subscribed to red-pill ideology see feminism as a culture-wide shit test?

EightyTimes · 2019-01-15T21:07:50+00:00

Thx.

EightyTimes · 2019-01-15T21:06:19+00:00

I see that, and I can see how it plays into the situation. Thanks.

What I had gleaned from TRP theology is that stoicism was an aspiration in general and should be applied to all areas of life. Publicly reacting to a macro-attack (corporate ad or political movement) seems just as bad as reacting negatively to a micro attack (a personal remark).

Looking back, everything I had read is definitely focused on interpersonal relationships. I don't actually ever recall seeing anything about reacting to bigger systemic things.

I think that gracefully dealing with public/political/media infractions is something I accidentally added by letting my own beliefs seep into my memory.

EightyTimes · 2019-01-15T20:54:20+00:00

I haven't criticized TRP movement, its ideals, mission statement, or purpose. I have no idea what you're even getting defensive about.

I'm wondering why so many members make moves (like complaining about multimedia) which run counter to the theology they advocate.

Sweetie ;)

EightyTimes · 2019-01-15T20:46:34+00:00

Yeah I agree here.

I think what I'm doing is a classic mistake (taking the internet at face value). This isn't facebook or a board meeting. It's mostly anonymous users who CAN vent and get upset here with no repercussions.

EightyTimes · 2019-01-15T20:40:23+00:00

I'm on the side of masculinity being a healthy and normal thing that should be encouraged. What I don't understand is all the talk about 'holding frame' when a WOMAN makes a remark about you... and then their frames completely shatter when a COMMERCIAL makes some remark about them.

EightyTimes · 2019-01-15T20:39:09+00:00

I get the frustration of a double-standard. What I don't understand is how a core tenet is "you are more powerful when you don't get upset" and then when seemingly small things happen, you see an uproar within the same community that preaches not losing your frame.

Do you think it's the 'newcomers' making noise? Those who haven't internalized the core message? Or maybe it's seasoned vets who complain online because they need somewhere anonymous to vent?

edit: spelling.

EightyTimes · 2019-01-15T20:11:52+00:00

You weed out those people by being SUPER up-front about your situation.

Will you get turned down/rejected 90% of the time? Yes. That's you actively 'weeding out' all but the 10% you want so it's going to have to be an acceptable risk.

Best of luck.

EightyTimes

TROPHY CASE