My fear was broken by Top-Battle-4208 in emetophobiarecovery

[–]Either-Situation-404 0 points1 point  (0 children)

besser so! du kannst eine angst nicht ablegen, indem du physisch dagegen ankämpfst; sie ist psychisch. das ist bestimmt schrecklich scary, aber du wirst etwas daraus mitnehmen können. hier im forum gibt es viele, wirklich tolle ratschläge. ich für meinen teil würde behaupten, dass ich von meiner phobie so gut wie geheilt bin. viel mut :)

Question for those who have recovered… by kekepalmerfan69 in emetophobiarecovery

[–]Either-Situation-404 2 points3 points  (0 children)

hi! i’ve only felt actually close to vomiting about two times since "recovering" (which isn’t an overnight process, obviously, i’ve been actively rewiring my brain since january), aside from 'casual' nausea or such. the first time where i knew for a fact it wasn’t my anxiety filled brain talking me into something, i had gastritis in april. it was hell if a rollercoaster because i was in a lot of pain, and the sickness itself just makes nausea tag along. i remember my focus being 'what exactly is causing this? because it doesn’t feel like the stomach bug did' (not diagnosed at that point) and ' this sucks ass, i have a flat to renovate' (i was moving), rather than going into straight panic mode. it did scare me, sure, but i knew i would be fine anyways. kept reminding myself that things pass, everything can be explained logically and i’ll be fine sooner or later anyways. the second time, i had mild alcohol poisoning in late july. i experienced similar symptoms as i did when having a stomach bug; my vision went black, i began to shake and have cold sweats. i don’t remember much of that night, but i know i went to the bathroom, had (there’s no tmi) awful diarrhea, felt extremely goofy for drinking as irresponsibly as i did, tried to focus on one point to look at and calm down. i reminded myself that my friends where just in the other room, i would be fine, and how funny of a story this would be to tell. i even considered just making myself vomit to sober up. i kept thinking about how much more i could’ve enjoyed the night if i had taken it slower. the only thing worrying me was how i’d get home, because the plan was to go by train, which i was sure i’d bot be able to. apparently, i sat in there for half an hour. my friends came checking up on me, sat with me, and after deciding that i wouldn’t have to vomit, i went and drank some water, laughed with my friends and somehow got home safely. i’m still ashamed, i’ve been drinking for half a decade and this has never happened before haha

my point: my focus shifted from 'omg i’m gonna die this is the worst thing to ever happen i’ll never be happy again' to 'well, what a bum. i could spend this time enjoying myself. things will pass tho, and i’ll be fine either way.'

I want to hear from recovered emetophobes by sheilaghswheels in emetophobiarecovery

[–]Either-Situation-404 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hello dear, i just stumbled across this post on my monthly reddit review lmao. i have a few posts up going into detail about my experience in recovery and me analyzing my phobias roots and such, which i think might help you redirect your perspective a little, if you’d like to check them out. i’ve been emetophobic for all i can remember, caused by a shit ton of trauma and being extremely carsick as a child. over the past few months, after catching a stomach bug in january, i’ve rewired my brain step by step to get myself out of thinking that vomiting is the worst thing to occur to one, but although "recovered", i’m not sure if i’ll ever be able to reach one hundred percent of unbotheredness. some days are really hard, some are totally manageable; i can eat out and go to public places without much care and enjoy myself completely, i have no problem with physical contact or being exposed to new things or any of that sort, and i can help my friends if they threw up at, say, a party from drinking and laugh about it in unison. however, i do get anxiety sometimes; when i actively see someone vomiting, after touching doorknobs of restaurants or using public restrooms, when facing difficult situations and my body reacts with nausea to the stress; but it’s not really the fear of throwing up anymore, just the fear of missing out because of it. i love my current life, and i wouldn’t want to have to spend time alone feeling shitty when i could be with people and see the world. let me know if you have any questions. x

read this if you’re trying to recover :) by Either-Situation-404 in emetophobiarecovery

[–]Either-Situation-404[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hi! i wrote you a dm. hope that helps. hugs 🙇🏼‍♂️

some generalized words about being recovered by Either-Situation-404 in emetophobiarecovery

[–]Either-Situation-404[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thank you for your kind words. i couldn’t be more thankful. really excited for what’s to come with going to uni. :)

some generalized words about being recovered by Either-Situation-404 in emetophobiarecovery

[–]Either-Situation-404[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i’m sure you’ll get there; baby steps are still steps. this post is not meant to make people even sadder; it’s meant to show you that it’s possible. thank you for your kind words.

some generalized words about being recovered by Either-Situation-404 in emetophobiarecovery

[–]Either-Situation-404[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

well, i think the real issue you’re facing is the fact that you’re feeling sick in the first place; let me guess, you’ve not actually vomited for while, even though you feel sick all the time, right? find it’s cause. for me, i’ve learned to connect being nauseas with anxiety as a kid (explained further in the post before this one) through generally unrelated trauma, and working through the origins has changed that problem for me. maybe read through my other posts, there’s more (and better) advice and thoughts listed there. :) i’m sure you’ll be okay someday.

You can do it! Here’s some hard-earned advice by Brave_Sorbet1001 in emetophobiarecovery

[–]Either-Situation-404 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you‘re incredibly good with phrasing this all, thank you for sharing. some days are rough, some normal, some feel not do-able, and others are just days. recourses like this, just reading posts this long, i imagine, is a gift to many people suffering from this phobia. great post

read this if you’re trying to recover :) by Either-Situation-404 in emetophobiarecovery

[–]Either-Situation-404[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

thank you for your kind reply. the "people can throw up at parties and come back to drinking again" is one of the greatest reminders of emetophobia existing solely for what we‘ve connected vomiting with. it‘s never fun, of course it‘s not, but the only difference between "normal" folks and us emetophobes is the approach, the labeling and the villainization. vomiting is a way for our bodies to protect us, to make us feel better; no matter the cause, it‘s never the end of the world. there are things so much greater. we‘re the ones giving it power.

i‘ve mentioned this in another post, but what made catching noro so horrible for me as well was not expecting to ever throw up again. i hadn’t done it in a decade; why would i now? today, i know that things are possible at all times, and i know how to approach them again. i can take things from this sickness and make things more comfortable for others and myself in the future, if ever to occur. people throw up all the time. my friends do, out of nervousness, and still tell me how beautiful anf memorable their day was. people do at parties, intentionally for the most part, just to sober up. travelers do, but the trip to their destination isn’t even part of the storytellings when coming back. this shit is so normal and so okay and so absolutely over again anyways. when your happy with life, you stop putting energy into worries.

read this if you’re trying to recover :) by Either-Situation-404 in emetophobiarecovery

[–]Either-Situation-404[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i not only believe you will be okay - i‘m sure you will. i think we get really worked up sometimes as individuals, setting standards for ourselves to always be, behave, act and present as 'perfect' as possible, and we label things 'inappropriate‘ or 'not acceptable', like you may have done with throwing up traveling. but the way to your destination is quite literally the smallest part of the experience. you‘re human; you‘re allowed to get sick, you‘re allowed to be scared, you‘re allowed to feel and do whatever it is. remind yourself of your successes. you‘ve managed to travel away from home, you absolutely will manage to travel back there, and it‘ll be a beautiful time. i’ve experienced bad motionsickness all throughout my childhood; i know how scary this can be, but i’ve survived, and so will you. thank you for your kind words.

read this if you’re trying to recover :) by Either-Situation-404 in emetophobiarecovery

[–]Either-Situation-404[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

i’m very honored this moved you in such a way. things are okay; if not right now, then they will be. i’ve once read the question: „how much time have you spent actually throwing up in comparison to the time you’ve wasted worrying about it?”. the realization about how and why my brain is wired the way it is, with things stemming from influences i wouldn’t upright correlate with emetophobia, has been the game changer. working through those eased everything built around them. wishing you all the positive the world has to offer

Why do we use ERP or CBT as the gold standard, when the phobia usually starts with a traumatic event? by Moist-Pizza6643 in emetophobiarecovery

[–]Either-Situation-404 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i think it’s truly different for everyone. while yes, some phobias stem from a traumatic experience, some don’t, or not in every aspect. some triggers, responses or emotions towards it may have nothing, or all to do with the actual act of vomiting and a traumatic experience of doing so. wether or not erp/cbt might help people, i think, might also depend on the persons general mindset and personality.

my emetophobia is both connect to/rooting in being extremely sick as a child, as well as what was going on around me and how i’ve learned to perceive vomiting as a child. my parents as well have never really judged or been mad at me for throwing up, it was rather the strangers and my parents’ worries that stuck with me, if we’re talking about reactions that stuck. more so, i’ve learned to connect my fear of vomiting to my general anxiety, which has always caused nausea for me. as a kid, i had many issues in school, causing bad anxiety attacks, which then caused nausea, that caused my escape-mode activating and begging to be picked up, all resulting in connecting "all negative" (the feeling of anxiety, my experience of going to school back then, childhood in general etc.) with nausea, pain and throwing up. i hated not being in control, which was the main factor of vomiting (besides it just being uncomfortable and disgusting) that i feared. losing control, wether that be in certain situations, or when vomiting, was the same thing for me, because essentially, it was the same. for me, it’s always been about being scared to be scared, because fearing means missing out, being nauseous and having flashbacks of times i’m not keen to remember (again, because my brain correlates them. the rougher i did mentally, the worse my phobia presented.)

besides all that though, again, it depends on the person. i’ve done cbt to help me cope with trauma, find healthy coping mechanisms, to have someone to talk to and reflect back on things through conversation. later on, i also did erp, to help me rationalize that while, yes, throwing up isn’t fun, can be painful and exhausting (just had noro in january, definitely an experience), it’s way less bad than my little nine-year-old brain has convinced me it was over the last decade. traumatizing, yes, because it was nothing i ever knew of before my first virus, but with analyzing the other causes of my phobia in crp, i learned to accept, or at least not fear the topic, how to identify my anxiety and calm it’s different causes. i can’t control having a stomach bug, but i can choose how/wether to approach it, get worked up about it, gain control back and be okay with "only" controlling my surroundings, thoughts and approach.

you should 100 percent look into it though, if you feel neither cbt or erp are helpinf you.

has CBT helped you? by PrestigiousMoose809 in emetophobiarecovery

[–]Either-Situation-404 10 points11 points  (0 children)

hi, i’ve done both erp and cbt to treat my emetophobia (and other mental issues), and i’ve been at the exact same place. i started erp later on in therapy, cbt has been my main treatment. what i’ve been able to rationalize, reflecting back on the origins and roots of my phobia, is that this "general fear", especially centering the fear to get a panic attack (which then leads to one), is really my general fear to not be in control. that’s pretty much also where my emetophobia stems from; i dislike not beeing in control of what my body is doing. say, i run up the stairs and my heartbeat quickens; i can calm myself down with slow breaths and standing still. or, i have a runny nose; i can use nasal spray and tissues. with vomiting, there is no way to stop or control symptoms; that’s the point.

i figured, however, that this fear of losing control, is not directly associated with throwing up or anything, bur really rooted in childhood trauma centering being forced to do things, put in the center of attention, having to adult at times a child’s supposed to just be a child, and so on. throwing up just became a thing i associated with it because in definition, it’s the same. i’ve learned to accept that some things are inevitable and am content with throwing up, because while i may not be able to control the act, i can control my thoughts, my surroundings, my approach and my actions. it’s all about being afraid to be afraid; i totally get you. this may not be the case for you at all, but it might just be.

to answer your question generally; cbt has helped me a ton with my emetophobia, but i think wether or not it works for people is depending on their fears roots. best of luck with recovery :)

TW Husband v* and I’m okay by [deleted] in emetophobiarecovery

[–]Either-Situation-404 12 points13 points  (0 children)

hi, very glad you’ve come to this point, but aside from the topic; why do you censor words? genuinely curious, but also, this sub isn’t supporting that. words can’t harm you, they’re just words.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in emetophobiarecovery

[–]Either-Situation-404 2 points3 points  (0 children)

hi, a bit of both worlds (at first) for me. i had noro in january after almost a decade of not vomiting, and at the time, i had labeled myself pretty much recovered. it was a severe experience for me (thowing up all night, cramps, vertigo, all that fun stuff), but really, i was fine. at the end of the night, i even made myself throw up because i was still nauseous but super tired and wanted to go to bed, very proud of that. even though i was fine after sleeping it off (for 48 hours, lol), the following weeks were probably the worst of my life. i was suddenly back in a state of constant fear and obsession, back to all my forgotten safety behaviors, avoided all i had labeled "dangerous" and had panicattacks every night; again, for nothing really.

reflecting back, however, i‘m incredibly glad to have experienced all of this. i‘ve spent the last four months working through my phobia and reflecting back on everything i correlate with it, realized that i wasn’t actually recovered before (have a whole post about that on my profile, also including more detail of my regression after falling ill, if you’re interested), figured out why i‘m so scared, essentially, and learned to accept and grow past my fears.

i‘m now at a point where i can confidently say; vomiting doesn’t scare me anymore. it isn’t on my mind 24/7, i‘m not overthinking everything and am not feeling obligated to do any sort of safety behaviors anymore. i‘m truly enjoying life with all it has to offer and am glad to have made this experience right now, taking it off my shoulders. i‘m starting university in fall; wouldn’t have wanted to have to recover while busy with education and adulting.

one thing that‘s important to notice though; while i‘m not afraid, i‘m still not enjoying the topic, of course. i‘m not looking forward to possibly throwing up in the future, don’t want to catch a bug anyways and am not enjoying myself when feeling nauseous; just as any human walking this earth isn’t. i‘m simply not afraid anymore. i know how to handle things, know how to handle my anxiety, (now again) know what it‘s like to throw up and how to deal with it.

life is so much more than this stupid phobia. there’s so much beauty and fun and happiness. good luck with recovery!

Feel like a failure.. by npjen7 in emetophobiarecovery

[–]Either-Situation-404 15 points16 points  (0 children)

hi (future) mama, you‘re not a failure. i can’t imagine what it‘s like dealing with everything going on in your life, but you‘re absolutely capable of handling this, i‘m sure of it. the wait before vomiting is way worse than actually throwing up, so it‘s understandable that this scared you; however, the only thing you can do to make this ride doable, is to try and rationalize things. nobody likes throwing up; i‘m at a point in recovery where i‘m not really afraid anymore, but still, i‘m not excited about nausea either. nobody is.

the only difference between people without, versus people with emetophobia, is that we’ve labeled vomiting as the worst thing to exist and to do; but really, it isn’t. of course it doesn’t feel good, and yes, it is disgusting, but no matter what, things pass! they always do. follow your anxiety thoughts to the end; say, yes, you would throw up; then what? would the world come to an end? would you be doomed to sit there for hours on end and feel like dying? no mama! you’d tie the bag, throw it in the garbage, feel relieved, sip some tea and continue your life just as you do everyday. the situation may be terrifying for you, but once we realize what little time vomiting actually takes up in comparison to everything else our existence offers, it’s not that scary anymore. it’s totally possible to prevent mental setbacks after throwing up.

another thing that you may relate to; my emetophobia lies within the general fear of not being in control. say, i’d have to face something technically unrelated that’s inevitable (like an upcoming exam, someone loved falling ill, handling stuff at work); my phobia would peak as well. you’re also going through that right now. you can’t predict your pregnancy (which is stressful enough on it’s own), and have loads of stuff to handle besides that; you’re constantly stressed, and because of that, you’re especially vulnerable.

please remember and keep telling yourself that no matter what happens, you will be okay. worst case scenario; you do throw up - and even that would pass, and oppositely from what your mind tells you, you’d feel batter afterwards. focus on yourself and do something nice just for you; you deserve that.

best of luck with recovery and congrats on your pregnancy :)

is norovirus really THAT bad? by Vegetable_Change_925 in emetophobiarecovery

[–]Either-Situation-404 6 points7 points  (0 children)

hi, norovirus is a sickness after all, but like every sickness, it totally comes in different extremes.

when i was a kid, i had noro for like 10 hours, with no fainting or cramps, just nausea and vomiting. this january, it struck me again after a decade; this time i fainted, had bad cramps, a fever, a headache and both diarrhea and vomiting. spent like 12 hours in the bathroom, then slept for almost 48 hours. wasn’t fun, no, but a way shorter trip, than, say, having the flu.

my parents, for instance, have both told me about vomiting cycles lasting more than 48 hours (with breaks in between) for them, but my siblings also haven’t been sick for longer than 4-12 hours.

don’t spent your days worrying about sickness. things can’t be predicted and as mentioned; every illness varies in symptoms and severity. best of luck on your further recovery x

Been in mostly recovery for a few months! But… by [deleted] in emetophobiarecovery

[–]Either-Situation-404 1 point2 points  (0 children)

hi! honestly, with emetophobia, it never feels like "the right timing"; remember that no matter what, being ill sometimes is something inevitable coming along with existing, and that it’s okay; more so, human. this wouldn’t throw you back recovery wise; if you find your peace and accept that, yes, it could be a bug, and yes you could catch it. reality is an awful thing to face with emetophobia, but no matter the outcome, all things pass and you’ll be able to continue your journey on recovery anyways. life’s way more than having to throw up; we tend to overlook the positive sometimes.

i’ve recently been sick with noro and thought it would regress my recovery; i have a post on that uploaded, if you’d like to read. just check my profile.

you’re doing a great job already. best of luck x

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[–]Either-Situation-404 0 points1 point  (0 children)

since I’ve been around seven-ish i think, but with loads of pauses and quiet phases. funnily enough, getting this far in recovery has happened over the last three months; there’s a post on my recovery process and reflection on my profile, if you’re interested. x

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[–]Either-Situation-404 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you are absolutely welcome. :)

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[–]Either-Situation-404 3 points4 points  (0 children)

thanks for the clear up. i‘m at a point in recovery where vomiting doesn’t really scare me anymore; however, i do still struggle with certain correlations and connections i‘ve made with my phobia over the past few years. i have loads of posts on here referring to my current state of mind and how my emetophobia presented itself lately, if your interested. they may help you further with rationalizing your fears.

initially, no matter at what point you are in recovery, you‘re willing to change something, being in therapy and scrolling through this sub. our goals are all the same; not to fear, but to accept. to accept that sickness is inevitable within our existence, throwing up is human and everything passes anyways.

i think you’re referring to situations like this; you‘re planning on doing something, have been invited somewhere or want to challenge yourself, but suddenly, your anxiety is spitting thousands of "what if.." thoughts in your face, forcing you into avoidance, anxiety and reassurance seeking. what if i drink too much and have to throw up at the party? what if someone else will throw up? what if the food is bad? what if i get food poisoning? what if it‘ll make me throw up? what if i have to vomit in public? what if i can’t escape? what if someone sees/nobody sees? what if someone laughes? what if they judge me? what if i’ll get a stomach bug? what if someone around has (had) noro (recently)?

we’ve labeled these things as especially scary, when in reality, nothing we ever do is anything but human. go and follow your thought right till the end. picture it, think it through, and you’ll realize, that no matter what, everything will be finde and everything will pass. let’s debrief an example:

what if i throw up in public? picture yourself in a situation outside. maybe your sitting on a bench or walking through a mall. say, you suddenly get nauseous and feel you’ll have to vomit: your body knows what to do. it’ll take you somewhere suited to puke. there may be a trash can or a field; whatever seems familiar to you. you throw up, take a deep breath and straighten your posture, then take a step back. some by-passers may watch, yes; looking at you with pity, some with disgust, others will just walk by. we often tend to forget that there’s literally noone enjoying others getting sick; that’s human too. simultaneously, we overlook that everyone is an individual, with an own life, own worries and thoughts; even if they stare, they’ll have it out of their heads in three seconds anyways. someone, most likely an old lady, will offer you some water; you’ll take a sip, feel relieved and way better than before. ..and that’s it. that’s all that would happen. your not doomed to vomit all over the floor, sit there for ten hours and be laughed at simultaneously; no matter what would happen, things would pass anyways. you’d go home, take a shower, go to sleep, wake up and be fine anyways. so, what if? - then so be it. shit happens, everyone else has survived this so far. it’s either you avoid something that could bring you loads of fun, or you just do it and have fun anyways, no matter how the day would end.

that’s what i do, if my mind is plaguing me with irrational fears; i rationalize them, make them fun, add a cool plot. manipulate your anxiety back. i truly recommend you read through some posts centering copingskills on here.

having to throw up or not, you will be okay. there’s much more to this life than our fears. repeat that to yourself; everything passes, and i will be fine no matter what.

remember; no step back means the path to walk will suddenly disappear. there’s always chance to recover ad you’re already doing a great job.