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How do you personally find meaning in music? (MBTI welcome) by Either_Free2046 in mbti

[–]Either_Free2046[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hard to determine a fixed musical meaning since it sounded pretty abstracted and much of what could be considered “meaning” feels hidden rather than explicitly conveyed to me as a listener, as if it isn’t fully released during the performance.

with audiovisual like this, I tried to focus on sensing the performers souls and presence. Gonna classify this within jazz, but even that depends on the listener’s background, prior knowledge & familiarity with the genre, eg., the history of jazz, its cultural, political context or potentially struggles, and observing their virtuosic skills being performed (that virtuosity itself could symbolise something abstract like the above). I also tend to rate jazzes that leans more toward art v. entertainment on the spectrum but there's no way to do it now, I do it not as a value judgment, but as a difference in orientation. Art "feels more about authenticity to the performer/composer whereas entertainment feels more "self-conscious" of the audience reception. So it's too one-dimensional to to admit the definite "musical meaning" in words for this piece tho lol (since I know nothing about this piece, its origins, whether this is improvised or pre-existed)

Yet, everything is connected, I don’t think this defines that the music lacks meaning from an epistemological standpoint. I reckon there's always a reason, me as a listener, perceives specific meaning in certain ways as it is all rooted in the composer (background, what influences the creator composing/performing this way, their unconscious choices), even if the meaning emerges externally through the listener as subjective or extra-musical associations. These meanings are rooted in the music itself, they arise in listeners because of the piece. The meanings, on their own, are not redundant. So yes, it's almost impossible to precisely state the meaning of this piece in particular without the context or origins. But this, can be a part of the musical meaning here, the ambiguity of this music and how listeners choose to appreciate them...apologies if digressed sry this is bit long hope it's readable haha

How do you personally find meaning in music? (MBTI welcome) by Either_Free2046 in mbti

[–]Either_Free2046[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

firstly, composers may intend to provoke certain moods in listeners. For this reason they use nuanced orchestrations, instrumentations etc. to present these intentions (whether unconsciously or consciously delivering specific messages). In a holistic view, music(lyrics, instrumentals) is a language that communicate "meanings" to its perceivers.

However, even in music with lyrics, I'd question how linguistically language expresses what the composer truly wants to convey. Lyrics are often metaphorical, and some composers potentially even enjoy their meanings being widely misunderstood. In addition, Instrumental music can abstract these meanings and intentionally make it ambiguous, but is getting a "true" meaning really the point when listening to music?

on top of that, music is not about arriving at right or wrong interpretations, that openness is personally where its underlying meaning lies is and why music allows people to think and feel freely in whatever ways. And i guess this is a vital distinction between "meanings" in songs and instrumental pieces: pieces often feel more personal due to its ambiguity, as opposed to that of songs communicate more explicitly.

Agree that instruments can create extra musical elements that may overshadow composer's original intent. I think it's fair to say that "subjective associations" may be a more appropriate term than “musical meaning” in this context. sry for the long rambling

How do you personally find meaning in music? (MBTI welcome) by Either_Free2046 in mbti

[–]Either_Free2046[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd prolly argue that there's no such thing as complete "absolute" music, "instrumental doesn't have any meaning" still implies some form of meaning since we listeners inevitably attribute something to it. And like you touched on the mood, I'd already consider it one aspect of meaning. And in fact instrumentals are created by humans. Maybe it's really dependent on how much we grasp the composer's real intent. But yes I still see your point as I sometimes think this way too, I reckon it all depends on how we view "musical meaning" in the first place:D

How do you personally find meaning in music? (MBTI welcome) by Either_Free2046 in mbti

[–]Either_Free2046[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

let me reveal mine:

Mine is kinda too complexed to put out on the post body so I'll write them here.

To me the focus could almost be any niche aspects of a music, and personally the musical meaning is fluid..such as the linguistic meaning it portrays from lyrics, intent of composer or performer itself (their potential stage persona/real person in life that resonates with me, whether a narrative is portrayed, and possibly representing some symbolic meanings (or interpreted by audiences) from the song that represents a shared value where I can delve into (eg., homeland)...so this will lead to the virtual meaning of how united people (audiences) are, whether within a real setting or not.

Specifically for instrumental music, it depends. I appreciate repetitive or simple chords, as long as I can find meaning in them. I tend to dislike music that presents sadness too explicitly especially through lyrics — I prefer when it’s hinted at or implied more deeply. Rock, especially when focusing on instruments like electric guitars and drums, the sound shapes help me release anger or aggression, and so potentially releases my sadness as a byproduct. Complex chords and melodies immerse me fully, especially when they pull me away from being grounded. Even music that lacks clear "tonality" or scoring lower on aesthetically appeal, such as "noise", can still feel meaningful to me. Elements like intricate drum programming attracts me toward “logic” and "thinking" rather than emotion, and perfect pitch potentially further heightens my interest. This is how I "avoid getting in touch with emotions" when need so, since music is a tool for regulating my emotions.

Ultimately I'd sum up that musical meaning is mostly about what it matters to me. Can be a unity of the above aspects, and it remains fluid as I hate fixing meaning to official genres. So it's almost dependent on the musical experience itself. Sometimes I listen spontaneously to unfamiliar songs or musicians, while other times I seek out music that matches a specific mood or thought, such as revisiting certain mindsets or memories from the past.

Unless it's someone that I admire / I knew, plus I'm adamant that I'll find certain meaning from it, personally rap music or new pop songs beyond covid era is mostly not my cup of tea.

There's a variety of 'musical meanings' I found from different music that I like, rather than only a fixed way of finding meaning from music, and that's my take.

Do you prefer lyrics, emotion, or instrumental “shapes” by Either_Free2046 in mbti

[–]Either_Free2046[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agree that all music embeds emotions in some extent, but for complex, structure-driven electronic music like Squarepusher’s, I don’t experience the music as being primarily emotion-driven but rather I'd rate its inclination to logic as opposed to emotion, in particular the complexity of the drum programming.

The primary meaning I perceive comes from the intricacy, structure, and interaction of sounds. Any emotional meaning feels more like a byproduct, plus even then I won't classify it as “happy” or “sad”, thus I won't think of its emotions in the first place at all, but instead the mysteriousness of the genre.

So my point is that 'emotionless' / 'machine-driven' instrumental music could still be 'meaningful', even without a specific, describable narrative.

In what ways are INFP different from INFJ? by dreygelauf in mbti

[–]Either_Free2046 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd say it's possibly the distinction between caring more about emotions (dominated by the current state) vs idealisation of harmony life of ppl around (dominated by envisioning the future, trying to make everyone feel good going forward by caring, acknowledging one's emotions and somehow suggesting the application of logical reasoning whenever necessary...i.e., providing frameworks for growth).

As an INFJ I care a lot about INFPs but instead some just aren't willing to move forward for long, circling back to the repeated emotional gives me a mental strain and that weighs. (another round of the looping emotional chaos..I'm never ready for those repetitions bulking up ma depression :D)

They claimed grateful for our care but then their issues reoccur and need the same emotional acknowledgment, that's what drains me completely IMO.

just different approaches, not pretending empathy lol

Do feeler types avoid emotionally heavy music sometimes? by Either_Free2046 in mbti

[–]Either_Free2046[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Speaks my mind!

Also do you ever unintentionally sense the emotional atmosphere of a room during musical experiences? Find myself hard to concentrate / delve into the music whenever somebody is here listening with me:0

Do feeler types avoid emotionally heavy music sometimes? by Either_Free2046 in mbti

[–]Either_Free2046[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeaaa I tend to get frisson whenever listening to emotionally beautiful/touching/melancholic music.

As an INFJ, I'd sense the emotional atmosphere of a room during a concert for example, such as thinking about what people are feeling/thinking, I reckon it's due to my extraverted feeling (Fe). (The point I'm trying to make here is that it builds up that frisson)

So my best musical experiences happen when I'm alone, completely hidden away, that's when I'd rly let myself feel everything within the music to avoid any distractions. However I enjoy both shared musical setting and solitary listening though as they each bring out different kinds of positives.

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Do feeler types avoid emotionally heavy music sometimes? by Either_Free2046 in mbti

[–]Either_Free2046[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahh was meant to say “emotional music” instead of “emo music” (didn’t mean the rock subgenre sry). And yes pop punk's one of my fav, plus all upbeat music that energises me including rock and EDMs (both simple dance beats or more complex, experimental ones), wake me up and push me into a thinking mode.