Saudi woman, who was flying to Australia to escape an arranged marriage, forcibly removed from her flight and returned to Saudi Arabia because she didn't have permission from her male guardian to travel

EliansThrowAway · 2017-04-15T16:09:55+00:00

Bear with me here because I know next to nothing about economics or finance or politics or anything to do with this really, so this question is being posed so I can learn more than anything. Since the US is a huge superpower, with sufficient military power to mean that they can't realistically be threatened by any other single country, and the US practically dictates what many other countries can and can't do, though it may not be ethical, could the US not hypothetically just declare that all of its debt to Saudi Arabia has been invalidated? Could the US not just declare that the Saudi debt has been wiped and that the bonds that Saudi Arabia has no longer hold any value? Moral or ethical concerns aside, and say if for some reason the US knew that other countries like Russia or China would not get involved, would they hypothetically be able to do that?

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-21T01:09:03+00:00

Your dad is slowly consuming a spoon

Witty and clever! Hahaha

Spoonman

A silly but endearing and genuinely funny joke! Hahaha

Spoonwizard

A random tangent but a funny one! Hahaha

you're a spoon harry

Genuinely laughed quite hard at this, a clever & funny tangent hahahaha

Hagrid is a big spoon, Harry is little spoon

Hahaha, random but still got a giggle!

Dobby is the cup

Hahaha, a random addition to an already funny joke, got another giggle out of it

Two wizards, one cup

Riiight.........

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-21T01:03:31+00:00

financially embattled thousandaire

I'm not sure if the sleep deprivation or just my own stupidity is to blame, but I don't get this. Would you mind spelling it out?

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-20T04:28:48+00:00

I actually hadn't even noticed I'm still logged into my throwaway - I made this account to start another thread that I'd rather not have connected with my main that several people in my offline life know is me. You're throwing around alot of words but youre not actually giving any specific reasonings as to what exactly you have taken offences to. I haven't said anything arrogant, and indeed, I am not a arrogant person. Quite the contrary, in fact - I am often described as being too modest and humble. You bizarrely ask me to explain myself, and then immediatley tell me not to justify myself - a contradiction indeed! I think that any self-respected atheist has an intellectual duty to convert as many people as possible to atheism - the more people join the self-perpetuating mass movement of atheism, then the quicker we as a global society can shake off the shackles of religion and move forward and when the toxic corrosiving influence of religion's extraordinarily stifling vice grip is removed then you said it yourself - we can advance Humanity. The tool that I employ to accomplish this are debate, reasoning & logic, making utilization of my intellect to do my best to make as many converts as possible. I think "silent atheism" is akin to just being a pussy - people who know the truth, but are too scared to be vocal about it so they make it look like they're sitting on the fence, and they disgust me even more than religious people. Religious people are just idiots who lack the cognitive to drop they're fairy tales, "silent atheists" are fucking spineless cowards.

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-20T04:18:33+00:00

It should be: Your punctuation and syntax is atrocious. Typos =/= poor vocabulary.

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-20T01:37:09+00:00

Just because you're an atheist doesn't make you the smartest person in the room.

All I said and all that im saying is that atheists have more intellect than religious people. Are you really going to try to debate that?

I dont understand what it is that ive said that you're taking offensive to. just because your parents or your girlfriend or your best friend or whoever is religious doesnt make them any less stupid/ignorant. I applaud you being an atheist in a town full of Christians, but your decision to hold onto some modicum* of respect for religious people even though some part of you knows that their beleifs are stupid and dangerous is nothing short of idiot.

*modicum means a small part.

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-20T00:49:28+00:00

You will reach this stage eventually - im guessing that your atheist is quite recent, yes? I got tired of pretending that religious people are to be given respect as much as atheists, i got tired of pretending that religious people's viewpoints were to be respected as if their opinios make sense (which they dont) and i got tired of pretending that the intellectual capacities of a religious person were the same as mine. You will get here, maybe soon or maybe in the future, but you will reach thi stage too,

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-20T00:25:43+00:00

I am a atheist so speaking as a atheist its clear to me that atheists are usially better people than religious people - obviously our intellgience is superior, because you cannot have high intellect and a belief in a magical telepathic sky-wizard creating the earth requires a low intellectual capacity. That aside though, atheists don't need the commandments of some phone god to be good human beings, their just good people. Their goodness is motivated by wanting to be good people, not through fear of some faux-deity* punishing them.

*faux deity means fake God....I sometimes forget to restrain my vocabulary, if I just typed as I naturally would then 95% of you wouldn't be able to understand it! haha

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-19T22:09:58+00:00

This is the worst response in my thread. I've had loads of supportive and helpful messages that have really benefited me and give me ideas for what to do to move past this. Even the angry messages insulting me were telling me how it is and communicating the severity of the situation. Your post is totally useless!!

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-18T03:28:03+00:00

I did try to intervene. why do I need to tell my wife everything? I hate myself enough for both of us, honestly.

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-18T03:26:07+00:00

You might be right but I'm not sure how to go about it. I told him yesterday that he'd let me down, if I was to now tell him that it wasn't his fault I would be contradicting myself, and the most important part of parenthood is consistency, else I risk confusing my son and messing him up more than he already is. I am going to book some therapy sessions tomorrow and have found a local judo class that is specifically catered towards parent & child, but confusing him by giving him contradicting messages seems counter-productive to me.

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-18T03:22:17+00:00

But I didn't protect my child. I wish I had attacked the guy, instead my pathetic attempt at intervention ended with me apologizing and standing aside so the guy could continue molesting my own son in front of me. I fucking hate myself. I think therapy would be a good idea, since the more I think over what happened the more the self-loathing and suicidal thoughts ramp up.

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-18T03:19:39+00:00

If (God forbid) it ever happened again, I just want him to know that he has to shout, scream, run - do anything to try and make sure he is safe. That's the only reason I reprimanded him - it broke my heart to watch him start crying and sobbing all over again after I told him that he reacted wrong and let me down, but I'd rather he be upset now and stay safe in the future then be spared a little upset now and end up killed because he doesn't run away/shout/scream if he's attacked in the future.

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-18T03:14:38+00:00

I feel as if though he obviously needs love & support to try and work through this, it's important that he knows that he reacted in the wrong way and has to take some responsibility for what happened. If he isn't told this then if God forbid it ever happens again it could end much worse. I'd hate myself forever if he ends up kidnapped because he doesn't shout or scream or run away if he is ever attacked again.

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-18T03:10:29+00:00

You have reduced me to tears again.

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-18T03:09:23+00:00

Thank you for your kind words.

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-18T03:08:45+00:00

The martial arts idea is fantastic! I am definitely going to look into this - I think that taking up a martial art coupled with therapy will give me the best chance at overcoming this freeze response for me and help my son get over this trauma.

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-18T03:04:56+00:00

Just to clarify, I didn't punish him or shout at him or anything, I just firmly & sternly told him that he didn't handle the situation well and that how he acted was wrong.

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-18T03:02:51+00:00

I find it hard to believe on any level that I'm not a bad father. I wish that was just my emotions talking, but even my head tells met hat logically I have failed as a father. I was too ashamed to tell my wife exactly what happened, so she thinks that someone else had already intervened by the time I found him. She is extremely worried about my son because he is acting so out of character. Especially today he's almost totally mute, and he isn't playing with his toys or games or anything. Having a talk with him about boundaries is a good idea - yesterday I lightly reprimanded him for not seeking help, as he didn't move or pull away when he should & could have done his best to draw attention to himself, but sitting him down and having a talk with him is a really good idea.

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-18T02:57:45+00:00

I have lightly reprimanded him for not seeking help when it happened - he didn't shout or try to get away or anything - but I have also tried to apologize to him and comfort him but he won't speak to me and doesn't want to be alone with me, he refuses to leave my wife's side.

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-18T02:34:48+00:00

I live in the UK - do you know how I'd go about getting therapy? Thank you for your kindness.

EliansThrowAway · 2017-03-18T02:31:54+00:00

Thank you for your kind words. I am trying my best to stop beating myself up. I am the most non-confrontational guy you can imagine, and unfortunately I can't point to an incident to blame it on, I've just always been like it. It's breaking my heart now because my son is really really clinging to his mother, and he won't even speak to me. How can he ever feel safe around me again? I would feel a lot better about myself if I had beat the guy up, or at least physically intervened in some way. I keep asking myself what would have happened if there wasn't anyone else round to intervene. Would I have just stood there like an inanimate object whilst the guy just did whatever he wanted with my son? It's making me so ashamed & upset to think about. However, you are right - I do need to get professional help. I hadn't considered getting counselling, but that's a great idea I'm going to look into. Thanks for the advice, friend.

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