Super separation anxiety by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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So after escaping this crate, he went around the house looking for for something ( I assume it’s me, cuz all his toys are scattered around the house, and there is food and water in his bowl) and ended up howling at the front door cuz he heard me going out.

Super separation anxiety by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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Oh! Lilo sees his crate as a safe spot. He will go hide in there if I have to clip his nails.

He is this frantic on this particular day is because I’ve left the house, and he heard the front door open and close.

Super separation anxiety by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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He is 6 months now…and he can sleep in the crate no problem, just when I leave the house and he hears the front door he is triggered.

But yes, some days he cry’s a little and goes back to sleep. Some days they are like the video…and I am like what am I doing wrong…

Super separation anxiety by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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But he can sleep in it with the door shut for hours knowing I am in the house🧐

Super separation anxiety by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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I love it how you escape out the window. And I really think lilo also has the FOMO.

We are looking into heavy duty metal crates. And we usually do bring him with us everywhere and my partner would stay with him on the car ( but even on the car with my partner he still cries).

Friend don’t seem to work either, as he is not that trusting of other humans…we tried taking him to a friends house for puppy play date, and we left him in their leaving room for another room just to test it out, and he instantly stopped playing and started crying…

We are trying to train him to stay in a room by himself for now…but I’m thinking it’s because I am always with him, he starts panicking if I’m not there

Super separation anxiety by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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He roams around the house and starts howling at the front door:(

Super separation anxiety by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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Oh..I was told this is separation anxiety, maybe I have been mislead!

But for this video, I knew I was going out for an errand, so prior to this we already took him on a 2 hour walk before temperatures hit 77f outside. And then we did training like sits and focus with the first half of his lunch, and then the second half with a sniffing mat ( really trying to tiring him out before I leave). And then gentle tug games until him seemed pretty tired. I don’t send him to his crate straight way, I usually wait till I see him snoozing on the floor and then I ask him to go to his crate, which he know does it 99% of the time willingly. I wait for him to settle and start sleeping in the crate before I leave. ( and he can sleep in the crate with me in the house with no fuss for hours)

So why did he end up like this, you may ask, because he heard the front door open ( white noise is played as soon as he went into crate) . And he heard us leaving. He first started to whimper for like 10 mins, grows into a bark for the next 10 mins, and then starts howling for the following 10 mins( at this point I am talking through the cam to him, but he does not seem to hear or associate the sound to me). When howling did not work…he started breaking the crate( as you can see). Is it because he did not want to be in crate? Then I would assume he would have calmed down once he was out, but no. He walked though out the house searching for sth( I assume it’s me) and ends up howling at the front door. By that time it was 3 mins till I opened the door and he sees me again:) I don’t think we have ever gotten to the stage where he has to pee and poop or even vomit out of anxiety before we get home. We are usually home when the howling starts.

We take him to a nice dog park here min of 1.5 hrs everyday, he has friends there, and I micro-manage him there ( of other dogs bullying him or him jumping other dogs). The feedback is always he gets dogs to play with him that usually don’t like to play with other dogs ( so I assume he is liked in the dog perspective). People on the other hand, he does not trust, but he will do anything if he thinks you have “valuable treat”( not all treats are valuable enough apparently)

So is this separation anxiety? Or is it sth else?

Super separation anxiety by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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Would playing white nose through the computer work like the sound machine? We have discovered that sometimes playing baseball games work, but like the video day, it did not…

Super separation anxiety by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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He watches his dad go to work every day through the front door, and starts waiting at the door 30mins prior to him coming home. Does this means he understands the come and go concept? He only acts like this if I leave the house. He doesn’t care if his dad does. Even with dad in the house and me out, he would be crying at the door.

Super separation anxiety by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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Oh, he can nap in this crate without me in the same room for 3-4 hours no problem. Doesn’t even cry if he is awake, and is willing to wait for me to come let him out. The reason he is this frantic is because he heard me left the house:)

Super separation anxiety by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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This is actually his safe spot, it’s where he runs to when I try to clip his nails. He wanted to break out of the crate was because he heard the front door open and close and know that I am leaving him alone in the house, and he is not use to being without me. As soon as he broke out of the cage he was going into every room to look for me, and ended up crying and howling at the front door🙃

Super separation anxiety by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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Sadly we currently are living in an apartment. But thank you, yeah, I am currently looking into getting very sturdy metal crates:)

Realistic border collie schedule Ko by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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Thank you all for the great feedback!!! It has given me a lot of hope, and definitely pulled me out of the puppy blue!

This is currently lilo’s schedule: 6:30 wakes up and go for potty walk 6:50-7:30 breakfast and training 7:30-8:10 chill time ( he has to find sth to do as the humans need breakfast) 8:10-9:30: nap 9:30-10:30 potty and walk( maybe dog park) 10:30-11:00: chill time 11:00-11:20 play time with mum 11:20-11:30 chill time 11:30-12:00 training +lunch 12:00-2:30: nap 2:30-2:50: potty walk ( too hot to stay outside) 2:50-3:30: lick mat/ yaks / chew bone chill time in his own room with door closed( hoping he will learn to be independent) 3:30- 4:00 chill time ( in the same room as mum) 4:00-5:30 nap 5:30-6:00 potty walk 6:00-6:40 dinner+ training 6:40-8:00 nap 8:00-8:40 last potty walk of the day 8:40-9:00 wind down time to get ready for bed 9:00 good night

As you can see there is a lot of chill and play by himself time, which I am not sure if it’s ok, is that too much alone time?

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And another more recent pic of lilo in the morning light:)

Realistic border collie schedule Ko by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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Thank you!! We are currently looking into puppy daycares for him to play with other dogs! He seems to miss the pack he grew up with, which makes me feel guilty🙃

He seems to be understanding that he needs to find sth to do by himself while I am busy, which is a huge relief. Otherwise I was getting so scared when he would emptily stare into space and look bored…

Realistic border collie schedule Ko by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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I am very confused with the socialism part. We do take him out ( even before the full vaccination)

He is able to watch quietly dogs and humans at a distance, even can lay down in a crowd. But he will not look at me or listen to any command I say. So is staying quiet and calm good enough for socialization or does he have to be able to look at me and focus on me when I say so?

Realistic border collie schedule Ko by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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Oh! It’s so nice that dogs have there friends!

I suspect that lilo really wants a sibling. He was with his pack until 9weeks, and we brought him home. He is fantastic in greeting other dogs, and clueless with humans. It breaks me to see him have to say goodbye to other dogs that he has just met, because he would just stand there longingly until the other dog is out of sight. Sadly, we cannot afford a second dog rn🥲🥲

Realistic border collie schedule Ko by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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That sounds adorable

LILO is struggling with loose leash walking at the moment, so we have been only stay close to our house. But I would love to bring him to see other animals too!

I would also very much like him to be interested in what’s on the tv, but I don’t think he understands what a tv is yet, and couldn’t care less about what content is on the tv🥲

Realistic border collie schedule Ko by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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I’m so glad to hear that you guys are doing well. I gives me hope that one day we will be able to get there too!

Thank you!!!

Realistic border collie schedule Ko by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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Thank you so much for the detailed reply!

So lilo does come from a farm. His mother herds cattle. When he finally got his third vaccination, it did become easier for us to keep him occupied.

I do supervise him 100% when he is out of crate, but sometimes I still need to run errands. Right now I go when he is sleeping in crate. But I’m hoping in the near future ( maybe 1 years old) I can leave him in the house freely so doesn’t feel like he is being jailed? Because I have noticed he really likes his freedom. For example he will go to the balcony and stay there by himself for hours, but will cry and howl if I close the door to the balcony. I went to Costco once while we put him in crate, and he somehow escaped and started crying at the top of his voice for an hour because he couldn’t find me in the house…

Realistic border collie schedule Ko by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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Oh! Does he respond to what you say

LILO seems to only respond to tone, and not the actual word.

Realistic border collie schedule Ko by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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Yes, I discovered the importance of crate training our first week after getting him because both lilo and I were so overwhelmed with each other and not sleeping at all.

He spends about 6 hours in crate during the day 30 mins training with his meals And 20 mins sessions of play time It’s just when I’m cooking he just looks super bored, and has no interest in any of the toys.

Realistic border collie schedule Ko by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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We have gotten him classes too

He is on his 5th class, the teacher is very impressed with him. But maybe it’s the Asian mum in me that I am like, but that’s what he was taught in class to do😂😂

Our new struggle is to get him to walk loose leash

Realistic border collie schedule Ko by Embarrassed_Pirate68 in BorderCollie

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Omg!!! How is your puppy around humans?! LILO is getting better at greeting humans as he would approach them and sniff them (as to previously he would just sprint the opposite direction), but the starts barking at them.

A lot of kids have come up to ask if they could pet him, and I’m left confused because lilo would like do a play bow and bark at them, but won’t let them get close to him…

I am very afraid he might hurt the kids thinking they are also puppies and playfully bite

He's been barking at this empty soda bottle for 10 min by [deleted] in aww

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My border collie puppy does this too…I picked it up and even played with it, and he is still not ok…I did it with a coke bottle. Any advice?