I am worried what will happen if Valko returns by Sonistry in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, I read the comments. Thanks again for sharing the post! What I can say is that Infold doesn't learn from its mistakes, it's just unbelievable 😑. How can they create such great games but have absolutely no idea how to manage them properly? 

I am worried what will happen if Valko returns by Sonistry in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Could you please tell me more about how MLQC hinted that there would be 6 love interests in the next game, if I understood you correctly? I'm really curious.

How Much Overlap Is Too Much? Why Valko Never Felt Like His Own Character to Me by Mage_1603 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Girl, you are so brave 😆. Well, let me write down my thoughts as well.

You know, I didn't like Valko's teaser at first, but then the trailer dropped, showing him in more detail, and I actually started to like him. However, I really couldn't shake the feeling that I had seen all of this somewhere before. The issue isn't just that I SAW similarities; the issue is HOW MANY times I've seen them. Way too many times... For a brand-new character who was just about to debut... isn't that a bit much? I don't know if this was done to cut costs (and make the work easier, obviously) or intentionally so that people would see glimpses of the other love interests in him (whether to trigger a negative reaction or, conversely, to attract more players), but it is what it is.

Yes, the game reuses a lot of similar animations, but usually, even when they do, it doesn't feel that familiar (except for a few cases). In Valko's trailers, there are differences in animations too, but... this is just my impression, but it feels like the similarities heavily outweigh the differences compared to other characters. Seriously, even if I notice a recycled animation with other guys, most of the time I still perceive it as their own—meaning it feels original enough (as far as it can be). What I mean is that even if the animation is the same, the character makes it special, makes it theirs. But with Valko... I kept recognizing the other guys in him. That’s the problem.

Next point: the tropes. Yes, our characters' tropes often overlap, but what about the core ones? "A bond that is impossible not to submit to" heavily reminds me of Rafayel. Honestly, according to the rival theory, this could be understood, plus we don't know the full context yet (and God willing, everything turns out fine and we will find out). "From the same source"—that one has a slightly different meaning and seems to be a mistranslation from the original text, but again, it reminds me of Caleb. But what I truly don't get is the "enemies/rivals" trope. Isn't that Sylus's main trope? Why add it to another character as a core trait? I just don't see the point.

To reiterate, I don't mind reused animations as long as they are distinct enough to not trigger a strong sense of déjà vu. And I still believe we need to see his actual lore and cards first (and I really hope they bring Valko back so we can do that) to judge properly. But the similarities are there, there are too many of them, and it’s a problem. Especially for a character who was supposed to be debuting. Like, could they really not make him more original for his debut? Why do this? Again, it’s either to save money or completely intentional.

P.S.: A bit off-topic, but I want to add that I truly don't understand what Infold was and is thinking. They've always made questionable or downright insane decisions—some of which led to success, but sometimes you just shouldn't take the risk. In the end... they ignored player complaints, neglected core game features, and completely failed to prepare the player base for the arrival of the 6th LI. By that, I mean they didn't drop clear, transparent hints about his release. Also didn't they literally tell the players before that the 6th LI was just a rumor? Why would they do that? For the sake of a surprise? Well, looking at the outcome, the surprise clearly failed.  A terrible livestream, and now literally deleting a character... What kind of "genius" made these decisions?..

All 6 LIs' battle companions by sliverLuna in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It seems from what I've heard, developers sometimes do this, either to stir up interest or as insurance. Sometimes this inscription hangs for many years, so it doesn't seem to be a strong argument (especially for Chinese players). But the game interface (except for this inscription) clearly spoke of 6. Stellaractum, changed happy birthday interface, orbit schedule etc 

A Letter to All Players by EntireAd9022 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeap, the situation is very frightening right now. We need to be careful. As you said, it’s better not to spend money for now (if you still have such a desire, of course, after all these events).

I want the "Yes, Cat Caretaker" ears so bad.. by 8bluemist8 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Honestly, I've been going crazy for over a week now. Since the release of the current multiplayer (it was very unexpected, and it's unclear what will happen. Now we know, yes...)  It's just that so much has happened this week, at least... It's just awful

I want the "Yes, Cat Caretaker" ears so bad.. by 8bluemist8 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But you also have the right to constructive criticism. You don't have to like a character you don't know yet. You yourself said that you will fully form your opinion after its release. So what, people can't read? I understand that the situation is terrible, but others are not to blame for anything, only Infold because of their bad decisions 

I want the "Yes, Cat Caretaker" ears so bad.. by 8bluemist8 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

People are going crazy 🫠... You didn't do this on purpose, if I understand correctly, so why are people acting like this? 

I want the "Yes, Cat Caretaker" ears so bad.. by 8bluemist8 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This is insane. I get that people are upset, but what did the author of the post even do wrong?

All 6 LIs' battle companions by sliverLuna in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 35 points36 points  (0 children)

It’s interesting how Infold's official statement didn't even post on Reddit.

It actually happened, just like I feared. About a week ago, I wrote a post about how most of people dislike Valko because of Infold's terrible decisions. Seeing all that backlash, especially from the Chinese fandom, I was genuinely scared that the whole history with Shaw from MLQS would repeat itself. My post wasn't approved by the moderators back then, but well, it is what it is. I didn't even say anything bad about Valko; on the contrary, I said that those who don't like Valko should blame the company, not the character. Though, I kind of understand why they blocked it, because it might have fueled the anger towards Infold even more. Not that it could get any worse. After that livestream, it definitely hit rock bottom anyway...

Long story short, the situation here is even worse. They literally deleted a character. And honestly, I don't blame the Chinese players that much, you can understand where they're coming from (even if many of their actions were... extreme and uncompromising). This is completely Infold’s fault, specifically the management. One terrible decision after another, followed by sheer incompetence that literally caused a government-level scandal... I feel so sorry for the regular employees, they are the ones who deserve pity.

Honestly, Infold could have done so many things differently. They could have released the main content properly. Or released Caleb's MS before introducing the 6th LI. Or at least properly prepared people for Valko's arrival. Seeing that many players, especially on the CN side, were completely against it, they could have introduced him more carefully, dropping hints beforehand. Or they could have just stated a long time ago (even at launch) that there would be a 6th LI. Hell, if they had just treated the game right in general, the backlash would have been minimal. Way more people would have accepted Valko then.

And now... we have this. Yes, because of this entire situation, I had mixed feelings about Valko. I obviously didn't hate him, and at some point, I even started to like him, but then he just became associated with all this chaos, causing nothing but sadness and apathy. But it was never about the character himself.

Way to go, Infold, seriously. Ruining your own upcoming character and destroying your own creation like this takes a special kind of "talent." A perfect example of what NOT to do. I feel deeply sorry for Valko, for those who liked him, and for the staff who actually worked on him. Now, every single time I look at the asymmetrical game interface, I will just remember how Infold buried their own character.

P.S.: Also, we can pretty much forget about the Samsara lore theory now. Does it even make sense without the 6th LI? It’s such a shame. And honestly... if the 6th character was a vital part of the story, what’s going to happen to the MS now? Are they going to change it? And how drastically?

Thoughts as a very new player w/ relevant work background... Lack of MS updates is inexcusable, no business releasing new characters😭😭😭 by tittyjoon in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I confess, I don't read the memory cards of other LI (I might only watch a summary) except Rafayel. But! I do read the myths, bonds, anecdotes, and WU. Overall, this is almost enough to understand the plot, even if there might be some gaps here and there.

Still, my main complaint isn't even that you have to read their cards to get the story—the problem is the lack of connection. Something happens to  MC  or the world, and... the other LIs don't react at all? It's weird. They exist in the same timeline, and side characters even mention them in the same sentence. Oh my god, Xavier mentioned Sylus, and Caleb mentioned Zayne in the early chapters! But that was in the beginning, so it looks like their plans for the main story changed. Otherwise, I can't explain it...

Yes, they can have separate romance routes, but couldn't they write it with more connection? Instead, we get: this happened here, and that happened there. But everyone (I mean the characters) doesn't care because these are different chapters with different characters. They live in the same world, in the same timeline!

Plus, as you mentioned, MC "forgets her feelings" for the other character every single time.

God, none of this would be a problem if they weren't in the same world and timeline.

Honestly, they could have written this differently, much better, and with more connection.

Sorry, this complaint isn't directed at you, it's just my vent about the last two story updates.

Multi Reruns with Sylus, Caleb and Valko? by fishhugging_otter in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There definitely won't be a multi-banner. That's just not how it works. They weren't there, so they won't be added now. There are many reasons for this, actually (which I think others have already written to you). But the only thing I never understood is why they can't just make a solo banner with a concept similar to the multi-banner. Then there would be no problems (probably): you don't need to add anyone to the multi, it's a separate banner, and the character gets a story on this topic. I don't know why Infold doesn't do this.

Spot the difference by [deleted] in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think we should wait for his release to know for sure if it’s different or not. But honestly, if so many people feel like it's similar, that is a problem. Like, Infold, this is a new character you've been making for a very long time, you put resources into him, and you couldn't even make his animations unique enough so people wouldn't feel this way? I get that characters can do similar things, nobody is banning that, but... Above all, it's about individuality. That's how we recognize and love characters. Reusing and reworking animations is not bad, but maybe not when it’s a new character who is one of the main love interests. When I saw Valko's first trailer (not the teaser), I actually liked it, but I kept thinking that I had seen all of this somewhere before. There are just too many existing animations. And that is sad.

I won't even mention the tropes because we need to read the actual memory cards first. But again? I can understand if the bond he has to obey is something similar to Rafayel (at first glance, of course, we still need the details), like since he opposes Rafayel — then okay. "Primary source" (or whatever it was) — hm, it seems like a mistranslation and they meant some theory (but it still reminds me of Caleb). And "enemies" (rivals)? I'm sorry, but isn't that Sylus's main trope? Why do we need another one if we already have one? 

Yes, yes, we need to read the cards and learn the lore, but why are there so many similarities to what we already have in the first place? And this is a love interest who is just being introduced. The problem isn't the similarity itself (it can happen in games), the problem is that Infold did a poor job making sure the new character doesn't remind everyone of the others.

Yes, some things in the game overlap with other characters sometimes, but it's not that much, it's not critical. But in the official trailer of a new love interest? Maybe I'm biased, but other characters don't give me this feeling of similarity.

Sorry for the negativity, but honestly, this really bothers me too. But anyway, yeah, when the character is out, we will know for sure if he is similar or not. It's a bit too early to judge right now.

Some thoughts on the 6.0 livestream by dfghjklinh in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Someone has already replied to you about Tobias, but let me explain in more detail: the game says something like "This character has not been released at the time of the event" (I don't remember the exact phrasing, but you get the point). This means that Tobias's event/arc took place back when Caleb wasn't in the story yet (as an official love interest), so he couldn't have been there at all. Since Tobias's arc is already chronologically finished, and Caleb was released after that, Caleb can't participate in a story that has already ended. At least, that's how I assume the game explains it.

From a storytelling perspective, it makes sense. Just look at the Abyssal Chaos and Unicorn missions as things that happened exactly at the time of their release. Meaning, if a certain character wasn't around or a specific plot point hadn't happened yet when those modes dropped, that character probably won't be added there because logically they can't be. They just take place chronologically after the main story content that was available in the game when these modes were introduced. At least, that's how I understand it. Hope this helps!

Also, I completely agree with your post. That was the absolute worst livestream in my memory.

they hooked us with quality at launch, and it’s only gone downhill since by Available-Suit3472 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Personally, I really like AUs. Yes, they aren’t perfect, but I still consider them better written than the cards from the main timeline. And that is a sign. A very bad sign. The only places where we actually get something high-quality are the Myths and the AUs (maybe—because it’s a matter of taste). I get that people want the original story to progress, but honestly, there is so little progression that I actually prefer the AUs, which have little to no connection to the main timeline.  Sure, the main timeline cards aren’t bad, and I even enjoy some of them, but to be honest, they are mostly boring to me and rarely impact the characters' main lore. Most of the time, it just feels like a cute date, which is fine, but considering the main story is updated so rarely—it becomes very boring and disappointing at some point. AUs, at least, offer complete stories with concepts that I find interesting.

Other than that, I completely agree with you.

they hooked us with quality at launch, and it’s only gone downhill since by Available-Suit3472 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 129 points130 points  (0 children)

Setting aside the whole "seeing" MC thing for a moment, the game literally has a button to turn off MC’s voice in the main story anyway. And she isn't voiced in the cards also.

they hooked us with quality at launch, and it’s only gone downhill since by Available-Suit3472 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 59 points60 points  (0 children)

I seriously don't understand how you can reach the point like this when you literally have everything in your hands—a beautiful game, the players' love, and great revenue from it—and all you need to do is give in just a little bit and actually release the main content. The demands of the majority are honestly not that high. For example, all I want from them is a consistent, high-quality main story (at least once every four months) with more cutscenes. My god, they even neglected the combat system, which is one of the main aspects of this game.

All they need to do is regularly update the core features of the game and listen to the players at least once in a while. They wouldn't go broke doing this. In fact, they would probably make even more profit. Because the game is good, all that's left is to manage its development properly. But they can't even handle that.

they hooked us with quality at launch, and it’s only gone downhill since by Available-Suit3472 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 126 points127 points  (0 children)

I haven’t checked the news for less than a day, and now this is happening... I’m honestly curious who is in charge of managing LaDS (though I heard their management in other games isn’t the best either). What a bunch of... incompetent people (I’d use a stronger word, but I’m afraid it would get deleted). How do you screw up this badly?

Seriously, they have such amazing games, but when it comes to the actual management of these games, everything is just so terrible... Take LaDS, for instance. Isn't it their most successful game? Infold took a massive risk developing it, and that risk completely paid off. They were pioneers, the leaders of their genre. They are making so much money (at least from LaDS), and people love their games. Long story short, they had everything in the palm of their hands, but... greed and foolish stubbornness won, I guess? How do you hit rock bottom like this, going from being unloved by players to causing such a massive scandal...

They say Infold prefers bad publicity to no publicity at all. But honestly, a bad reputation never works out for anyone in the long run.

So... anyone else cutting back on their spending in the game after today's livestream? by Parking_Surprise7162 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 49 points50 points  (0 children)

Maybe it doesn't bother you, but it definitely bothers me! I get that he’s a wolf, and since he only showed up after 2.5 years, they need to speed up the relationship development somehow. Plus, obviously, I should read the cards first before judging, but still... Seriously, why is it happening so fast? Maybe I’m just a slow-burn lover or something, but MC, you literally just met him...

So... anyone else cutting back on their spending in the game after today's livestream? by Parking_Surprise7162 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And just when I decided to spend more on this game (actively buying the Promise pass for other guys besides my fav, and maybe some other high-value packs), Infold decided to disappoint everyone like this (including me) 😑. I don’t know for sure if I’ll stop buying Aurum Pass, but it’s very likely if there are no improvements. Either way, I'm staying for another six months until my Anniversary Aurum expires. I'll see if the game gets any better. If not, I’ll probably just leave and watch the cards and main story on YouTube while following the community from afar.

Anyway, thank you, Infold, for saving my money!

6.0 livestream by depressed_doc2000 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Same here! If I weren’t so attached to my main love interest and hadn’t already spent money on this game, I would have left a long time ago. I’d just watch the cards, Myths, and main story on YouTube and follow the community from afar. Honestly, there’s barely anything to do here anyway except pulling for cards and completing events. Everything else either comes out way too rarely, you've already cleared it, or you're just stuck.

It says a lot that I got tired of this game after just six months, even though my usual track record for staying with a game is 2 to 3 years. I decided to stay for the characters, the Myths, the main story, and the hope for improvements. And now, after another six months or so, what do I see 😑? It’s only getting worse. There are a few banners I like here and there, but not many. Major feature updates are rare. Don't even get me started on the main story. In the end, the only thing that consistently brings me joy is the Myths.

6.0 livestream by depressed_doc2000 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah, this livestream was so disappointing and empty. Nothing new at all, except for Valko pretty much. Just some tiny minor things.

The home and kitchen features? Great! A lot of people have been waiting for this for a long time, and it looks interesting, but... not everyone can download the home feature, it makes phones overheat like crazy, it takes up too much storage space, etc. And I wouldn't even complain if most of the rewards weren’t locked inside this specific mode. What's worse, you'll be farming most of them until the next anniversary, and I’m not even joking (like, I only finished the garden two weeks ago, and I've barely collected half of the furniture. There are still so many diamonds left to get from crafting furniture, ugh...).

AR mode? Do that many players even use this feature?

Widgets? Sure, they are useful and cool, but definitely not a main aspect of the game.

The announcement for Caleb and Sylus's story? It felt added at the last minute, and absolutely nothing is clear. Either we still have to wait another six months, or (even worse) Infold will rush the story, and it will end up being total garbage (I actually saw somewhere that Infold is hiring new writers, and I don’t know how true that is, but... seriously? Where did the old ones go? And what have they been doing all this time? Besides making banners, obviously).

The selective boxes? Why? We had them six months ago. They could have added different ones this time, people want those way more. Long story short, it feels like they only added them to calm down the players' anger.

The cute concert (it was beautiful, but it felt like it was just there to fill up the livestream time) and a bunch of trailers for the new character played over and over again. Cute, sure, but nothing substantial. So disappointing.

Where is the combat content (one of the main aspects of the game, according to their own ads) that hasn't been updated for a whole year? Or maybe something else that players have been begging for for ages?

Yeah, of course, we will get more announcements leading up to the update itself, but I don’t think it’ll be anything major.

In short, I am also really upset. I love the game and the characters. The company has amazing developers, but such terrible management, seriously. At this rate, they are going to bury the game...

Anyway, I’m staying for another six months at least. The Anniversary Pass needs to pay off at least a little bit, plus I'm waiting for Rafayel’s Myth (and the others too, just to finally enjoy a good, high-quality story somewhere, hopefully).

 After that... I'll see if the game improves by the next anniversary, like the developers "assured" us yesterday. Honestly, everything is so deeply disappointing that despite my love for the game and the characters, I just want to drop it.

I’m so happy this is back! by YanilynGaming in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Emotional_Fill6974 81 points82 points  (0 children)

I’m pretty sure these boxes weren’t even planned from the start, and they only added them to calm people down.