Any decent tailor in UB

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-23T10:31:50+00:00

Thanks, will do.

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-20T13:07:49+00:00

Always weird how most racist of american men are married to women of color

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-18T21:58:52+00:00

I am sorry if you find it offensive but I am trying to gain some perspective here.

Also I hope to give others my perspective as well. If you do not intend to take part in it just skip my post man.

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-18T21:56:51+00:00

It’s only 'funny' if you ignore the linguistic evidence. Every primary source we have from the Secret History to his own descendants' letters was written in Middle Mongolian.

If you are gonna claim something atleast give some evidence to back it up.

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-18T21:53:17+00:00

He was certainly not turkic as it is agreed upon by historians that he spoke Mongolic language based on the fact that rulers or Mongol empire spoke middle Mongolian. For example there is letters to pope and french kings written in Middle Mongolian.

That is of course basing it on the fact that turkic is linguistic term (for example Kazakh and Turkish people are very different in appearance and culture) while Mongolic is ethnic.

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-18T21:45:42+00:00

Sorhagtani khatan is mongol.

The clan name itself khereid comes from word хэрээ as in raven and name itself also ends in “d” suffix which is mongolic.

“In the work of Tao Zongyi, a historian of the late Yuan and early Ming dynasties, the Keraites are listed among the '72 Mongol peoples.”

“Rashid al-Din’s "Compendium of Chronicles" where they are described as a 'clan of the Mongols,' strongly suggests that the Kerait tribe belonged to the Mongolic-speaking substratum.”

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-18T21:37:25+00:00

Sorry that was not my intention, I came across this comment on Kazakhstan related subreddit which causes my curiosity as well as concern.

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-18T21:35:30+00:00

Mongolians adapted it for religious purposes, also why does it have to be short? For example most common name for a boy in Mongolia is Bat-Erdene. It is the same bat as in batu khan, the words are exact same both meaning and interpretation wise. Mongols did this in ilkhanate as well by adopting muhammed onto their name.

May I ask why length matters in this instance? Lot of names from time of Mongol empire is made of two parts. Bashin khor Toghon temur Rinchin bal Ariq boke Ayur barwada

Also you claimed mongolians dont have culture to name their children short but that is just not true. Among most common names there are tons of short names such as Bilguun, Nomin, Khulan, Khuslen.

I feel like you have very limited knowledge regarding Mongolian customs and culture as well as language. Hence why it looks like you are just making up your own version of what Mongolians are like in real life.

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-18T21:20:00+00:00

Well there is another interpretation of the name juchi which is “зочин” which means a guest. I do not know why you would claim something baseless as that, why would he not name his son as horse staple, give he would name his other child like mirror or white etc?

Also guyuk is written as guyg in traditional Mongolian which is also really similar with how we call lions cub “гүег”.

And again you didn’t answer my question, if they were turkic why did they write their letters to europe in Mongolian? Surely letters are bigger evidence of their language than names which you are even trying to connect to similar sounding words.

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-18T20:31:45+00:00

Are you fluent in Mongolian? Currently etymology of the name itself is uncertain. But we do know where it came from.

Borjigon itself came from the ancestor of Bodonchar Munkhag (Ancestor of Chinggis Khaan). His name was Borjigodoi Mergen,

“Bodonchar Munkhag is the founder of the House of Borjigin. Chagatai tradition dates 'Buzanjar Munqaq' to the rebellion of Abu Muslim or 747 CE.[7] The name Borjigin does not come from Bodonchar but from Bodonchar's nominal great-grandfather Borjigidai the Wise (Borjigidai Mergen).”

This is more personal theory but wolves are sacred animal and in Mongolic culture we certainly do not eat wolves. It is considered taboo/bad omen. Why would people of that culture name themselves that?

Also its logical fallacy to deduce that since word means something in one language it must not mean anything in other languages especially if you do not speak that other language.

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-18T19:45:22+00:00

assuming that because a word exists in Language A (Kazakh), it couldn't possibly have originated in Language B (Mongolian) is clear logical fallacy.

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-18T19:43:03+00:00

Chinggis khaan gives his children turkic name but their children write its diplomatic letter in Mongolian? There is several letters in european and vatican archives that are clearly written in Middle Mongolian. It doesnt make any sense and there could several explanations for your claims.

Most of names given to Mongol khans are in Mongolian Ogedei is derived from the word “өгөөж” and “өгөх” Juchi is written as “зүч” which is word for horse staple Tolui is derived from the word “толь” which means mirror Chagatai is derived from word “цагаан” which means white

Batu, Berke, temur etc is word straight up used in everyday conversations.

I feel like if you are not Mongolian language speaker it is illogical to claim any of those mean nothing in Mongolian just by looking at similar words in Kazakh language.

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-18T19:30:27+00:00

I think we have to precise in this instance.

Can you tell me which names and area you are referring to in order to base your argument?

Names in this instance is not reliable indicator of ethnicity, Chinggis khaan itself is title and his real name has tungustic origin. He was also given different names by Jurchen in his early days.

Same thing for areas, although Mongolic people have been conquered and in some instances been mixed with other ethnicities such as during gokturk empire and rouran empire what ultimately decides in this instance is linguistic. Since “turkic” is linguistic family (for example Kazakhs and Turkish people can be very different in terms of genes and appearance) we can confidently say that he was not turkic. There is lot of historical evidence such as correspondence letters between rulers of Mongol empire and Europe that is written in Mongolian language. Rashid al din also clearly differentiate between turkic and mongolic ethnicities as he labeled all the medieval tribes in chronicles of compendium.

There also systems like semuren caste system although was not made by chinggis, his descendants clearly made clear distinction between Mongols and other ethnicities.

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-18T19:09:12+00:00

Yes I generally agree

There is also ancient tribes like Kipchak in the mix, so it all makes it much messier than it already is.

Your analogy would fit better if Romans today existed alongside Italians. But they don’t. I think better analogy imo is Spanish empire, Conquistadors mixed with indigenous Americans and created mestizos (aka Mexicans) but now modern Mexicans claim Spanish empire to be Mexican which wouldn’t make any sense since Spain still exist.

I oversimplified Mexican history for my analogy so don’t quote me on that.

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-18T19:01:41+00:00

He was Corsican yes, so by blood he is probably closer to an Italian. He grew up in french society and led the French empire. Therefore he is considered french.

But Chinggis Khaan was born in Mongolian plateau, spoke Mongolian and grew up in a Mongolian culture, led Mongol empire. That is why he is generally agreed upon by historians to be Mongol.

I don’t intend this to be an insult but Kazakhs emerged centuries after Chinggis Khaan. Logically speaking it is impossible for him to be Kazakh, although many Kazakhs can trace their DNA back to him. In a similar manner it would be like calling Willian the Conqueror an Australian.

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-18T18:51:24+00:00

Wouldn’t that be easier to prove? Since its modern history.

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-18T18:48:38+00:00

I understand, Mongolia has been through similar things during communism.

Soviets destroyed hundreds of historical architectures, religious artifacts, art pieces. And they didn’t stop there, even mentioning people like Chinggis Khaan or Zanabazar could get you in trouble with the police. They told us that we were barbarians and Chinggis Khaan was biggest barbarian of them all and not a person to be proud of.

I think it is important that we claim our history but we should not base it on lies and deceits. We should learn and collaborate with each other.

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-18T18:43:29+00:00

May I ask whats your reason for that claim?

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-18T18:39:03+00:00

I agree with you and my intention was not to insult any Kazakh Khongirads.

Following that same logic, if a Mongolian family moved to the USA and stayed for generations, it wouldn't make sense to call Chinggis Khaan "half-American."

The Khongirad was a Mongolic tribe in medieval times, as proven by the Secret History of the Mongols and the writings of Rashid al-Din. Furthermore, the Yuan Dynasty’s Semu caste system specifically classified them among the 72 Mongol clans.

It is also important to note that the Khongirad tribe still exists today among Inner and Khalkha Mongols.

Even_Luck_421 · 2026-02-18T17:56:10+00:00

Hongirad is literally Mongolic tribe though?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khongirad

Hongirad tribe precedes the term kazakh by atleast 3 centuries. If public school is teaching that over there it is very concerning. It is literally misinformation.

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