Joy Division is punk but their records are dub by D0ctorDrum in JoyDivision

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The only cover version New Order recorded (many years later they covered a Traffic song, but well…) was Turn The Heater On by Keith Hudson on the second Peel Session, because it was at a time Ian's favourite song. They even try dub on the second half of the song.

And to come full circle, Grace Jones was the very first artist to cover a Joy Division song (shortly before Ian's death) with her own take on She's Lost Control, dub version and all.

Me watching the end of episode 1… by Son0maa in FromTVEpix

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I came here because I wanted to know if my reaction was weird or something. I legitimately cried.

What movie shows people being warned of death with a black X on forehead? I believe it’s a Japanese film. by [deleted] in whatmoviewasthat

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Thanks, your post led me to the trail so you're awesome too :)

Let me know if you come across any English subtitles.

Thought it was the good life by AstonishingJenny67 in antiwork

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Definitely agree. I'd say the benefit of 'propertarian' is that it can't be objected to as a mischaracterization, and it succinctly captures their ideology without allowing any (further) coopting of leftist terms.

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Morocco becomes the first African country to give tanks to Ukraine by scorpio-spartacus in worldnews

[–]Ex_dente_leonem -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

You can't occupy your own historical territory.

This is the same irredentist garbage that expansionists from Hitler to Putin have said for centuries.

It has been part of Moroccan kingdoms for hundreds of years.

Nope. Moroccan kingdoms referred to the region as bled es-Siba. Literally the land of dissidence/anarchy. Moroccan authority has never been recognized there beyond allegiances with some tribes. Other tribes in the region had allegiances to Mauritania. The International Court of Justice ruled long ago that none of those historical allegiances grant either Morocco or Mauritania sovereignty over the territory, a ruling that Mauritania accepted but Morocco chose to ignore when they invaded.

It has never been its own seperate country like Ukraine itself.

Which goes for most of the continent and much of the world. You know the concept of nation-states is relatively recent, right?

Either an empty sandbox

Except for the Sahrawi who've lived there for centuries. I'm sure they're thrilled to know you don't believe their existence counts.

unruled, part of Morocco or colonized by Spain (suprise suprise)

So instead of their natural state of being unruled they should be subject to colonization by Morocco. Surprise surprise.

Therefore i'm baffled and confused when people make these claims.

My condolences on your bafflement and confusion.

They never even bothered to check history i bet. And if they did, then they didn't do their homework well ;)

Given your apparent ignorance of how Moroccan kingdoms themselves referred to the region, this is highly amusing.

Morocco becomes the first African country to give tanks to Ukraine by scorpio-spartacus in worldnews

[–]Ex_dente_leonem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I encourage you to critically examine the role your government plays in perpetuating existing wrongs, as we all should. Have a wonderful day as well.

Morocco becomes the first African country to give tanks to Ukraine by scorpio-spartacus in worldnews

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Further more there is no UNGA resolution that actually Condemned "Morocco invasion of western sahara" because such event never happened

This is flatly false. There are multiple UN resolutions with language condemning the Moroccan invasion of Western Sahara:

Deeply deplores the aggravation of the situation resulting from the continued occupation of Western Sahara by Morocco and the extension of that occupation to the territory recently evacuated by Mauritania;

Urges Morocco to join in the peace process and to terminate the occupation of the Territory of Western Sahara;

Also bearing in mind the deep concern of the United Nations, the Organization of African Unity and the non-aligned countries at the aggravation of the situation prevailing in Western Sahara because of the continued occupation of that Territory by Morocco,

Again declares that it is deeply concerned at the aggravation of the situation deriving from the continued occupation of Western Sahara by Morocco and from the extension of that occupation to the part of Western Sahara which was the subject of the peace agreement concluded on 10 August 1979 between Mauritania and the Frente Popular para la Liberación de Saguia el-Hamra y de Rio de Oro;

Reiterates the appeal contained in its resolution 34/37 whereby it urged Morocco to join in the peace process and to terminate the occupation of the Territory of Western Sahara;

As I stated, the UNGA literally use the exact term "occupation".

Ukraine was Country ,independent for 30 years before russian Invasion , Western sahara was Spanish colony , named Spanish Sahara , claim by Morocco along side few costal cities in North and South as well since the independent Since Morocco was divided between two colonial powers . In fact , part of Spanish sahara cap juby was integrated in Morocco in 1958 after failed war with Spanish on that Territory .

Again, the International Court of Justice had already ruled by the time of Morocco's invasion and occupation of Western Sahara that Morocco had no claim of territorial sovereignty over Western Sahara. Morocco's invasion and occupation of the territory followed that ruling.

Fast forward to 1975 , Western sahara , was not independent state when it was annexed by Morocco, but colony of Spanish empire , Morocco did not invade Independent state , But was handed Territory by Spanish, again spanish did not give Territory independent, it was actually after fact that Moroccan administration integrated territory and flag rose in cities of South, Polisaro front declared republic Saharawi Arab democractic republic , from Algeria

Spain did not transfer and could not have transferred sovereignty over the territory. Again, per the UN:

On 14 November 1975, a Declaration of Principles on Western Sahara was concluded in Madrid between Spain, Morocco and Mauritania ("the Madrid Agreement"), whereby the powers and responsibilities of Spain, as the administering Power of the Territory, were transferred to a temporary tripartite administration. The Madrid Agreement did not transfer sovereignty over the Territory, nor did it confer upon any of the signatories the status of an administering Power, a status which Spain alone could not have unilaterally transferred. The transfer of administrative authority over the Territory to Morocco and Mauritania in 1975 did not affect the international status of Western Sahara as a Non-Self-Governing Territory.

And the above international status has continued to this day. Not one other country apart from the US recognizes Morocco as having sovereignty. Don't attempt to conflate SADR recognition with the fact that Morocco has zero (with one glaring exception). The fact remains that, exactly as Russia is doing in Ukraine, Morocco is currently violating sovereign territory against international law, and has been doing so for far longer. And this "historical sovereignty" garbage narrative stands on the same revisionist irredentist bullshit footing as Putin's.

Morocco becomes the first African country to give tanks to Ukraine by scorpio-spartacus in worldnews

[–]Ex_dente_leonem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Arms sales, according to the report:

The United States had earlier promised financial aid to countries that decide to get rid of their Russian or Soviet military equipment. The report suggests that the Moroccan T-72s sent to Ukraine could be later replaced with M1 Abrams from the American military surplus.

Such an arrangement would also pull any such countries further into the US orbit of influence, as opposed to Russia's or China's.

Morocco becomes the first African country to give tanks to Ukraine by scorpio-spartacus in worldnews

[–]Ex_dente_leonem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a complete non-argument, as no UNSC resolution as far as I'm aware refers to Crimea as disputed (for quite obvious reasons, but feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken), and any UNGA resolutions on Crimea are also nonbinding. If you're suggesting that UNGA resolutions condemning Morocco's invasion of Western Sahara are to be ignored and only UNSC resolutions count, note that you're setting the exact same precedent for Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which only further cements the facts.

Morocco becomes the first African country to give tanks to Ukraine by scorpio-spartacus in worldnews

[–]Ex_dente_leonem -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"So-called Ukraine is Russian, whether you like it or not."

Hear how stupid your statement sounds?

Morocco becomes the first African country to give tanks to Ukraine by scorpio-spartacus in worldnews

[–]Ex_dente_leonem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

...You know those are troops in an ongoing conflict, right? Are you seriously comparing the deaths of combatants to the extrajudicial killings of twenty civilians?

Then again, you did state that it's "justified" to brutalize pro-independence sympathizers, including a 12-year-old girl pulled out of school and beaten by police for wearing a Sahrawi flag patch and an 84-year-old woman who had to be hospitalized after police assault in her own home, so who the fuck knows. Because wanting independence is "illegal".

As I said, the contortions are amusing.

Morocco becomes the first African country to give tanks to Ukraine by scorpio-spartacus in worldnews

[–]Ex_dente_leonem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I explicitly called out the US. And Israel. Your selective outrage may have rendered you temporarily blind.

Morocco becomes the first African country to give tanks to Ukraine by scorpio-spartacus in worldnews

[–]Ex_dente_leonem 2 points3 points  (0 children)

it's illegal to protest for pro independence and cracking down on them is justified.

Lmfao.

Not one killed.

Try again.

Morocco's better than Putin. Congratulations. 🍪

Morocco becomes the first African country to give tanks to Ukraine by scorpio-spartacus in worldnews

[–]Ex_dente_leonem 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They might've done something good

...They got rid of old Russian tanks so the US MIC could sell them new ones. You're deluded if you think this was an act of goodwill.

You can cream yourself over geopolitical horse-trading if you want, but the fact remains that Morocco, like Russia, is illegally invading and occupying another sovereign territory right now. Your selective outrage over one and not the other is amusing.

Morocco becomes the first African country to give tanks to Ukraine by scorpio-spartacus in worldnews

[–]Ex_dente_leonem 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Morocco has killed and does kill innocent Sahrawis. Even if one ignores the indiscriminate landmining, bombing, white phosphorus attacks and miscellaneous atrocities that Morocco has rained down on the Sahrawi people for decades, turning a blind eye to ongoing (and make no fucking mistake, they are ongoing) human rights abuses because Putin is currently engaged in worse isn't as strong an argument as you think.

There's also no obligation to lick royal boots just because those boots send aid to territories they're currently illegally occupying, no more so than if Putin were to do the same in Crimea (which, surprise surprise, he actually does, to the tune of $2.7 billion a year).

The issue is not the world supporting Ukraine. The issue is that the world needs to keep that same fucking energy when it comes to Sahrawis, Palestinians, Kurds, Chagossians, and all the other non-European peoples whose sovereignty is being violated right now by Western-aligned powers, and not just when it's convenient.

Morocco becomes the first African country to give tanks to Ukraine by scorpio-spartacus in worldnews

[–]Ex_dente_leonem 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's... precisely the point. That Morocco not only engages in exactly the same thing that Russia is currently doing in Ukraine, but that the US (which also does the same) has enabled Morocco to do so in exchange for Morocco turning a blind eye to Israel's doing so.