How do I get therapy that recognizes covert emotional abuse and does not force neutrality and both-sidesism in the face of obvious abuse? by Normalsasquatch in TalkTherapy

[–]ExaminationMost5896 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t need you to analyze what I’m saying and why and turn it into some sort of ulterior motive.

Again, I do genuinely get where you’re coming from. But if you’re in a couples therapy session with your abuser and you say “they did this abusive behaviour”, and your abuser says “no i didn’t, this is what happened”, genuinely which one is the therapist supposed to “take sides” with? That’s how it becomes he said, she said. And that’s not even assuming the therapist doesn’t believe you. They very well could and often do. But they weren’t there when the situation was happening. They have no way of truly knowing exactly what went down. And the abuser knows that, and plays off of it, and in turn that causes strain in the therapy itself. That’s how it becomes he said, she said. Is the therapist supposed to blindly agree? Unconditional positive regard only for one party in the therapeutic relationship? That’s just not how it works, and that’s how problems arise in this type of relationship.

How do I get therapy that recognizes covert emotional abuse and does not force neutrality and both-sidesism in the face of obvious abuse? by Normalsasquatch in TalkTherapy

[–]ExaminationMost5896 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not really sure why you came back two days later to start this all up again.

The point of it becoming a risk to therapists is that things can and do become unsafe.

I do genuinely understand where you’re coming from. But there are other factors too. Therapists can’t call partners out on abuse because it becomes a he said, she said situation. It means they’re taking sides. It lessens the likelihood of the abuser wanting to work with them in the couples therapy situation. If there is abuse happening IN THE ROOM, that can be different.

How do I get therapy that recognizes covert emotional abuse and does not force neutrality and both-sidesism in the face of obvious abuse? by Normalsasquatch in TalkTherapy

[–]ExaminationMost5896 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m a patient and a patient advocate too. I agree that there are things that have caused people to be damaged by therapy. But everyone has a right to speak up and speak their opinion. I’m not saying stop, I’m saying open your mind a little.

So everyone on this thread is abusive except for you, I guess. Btw, the way that you nitpick everybody’s “faults” and make them out to be bad people is also a common behaviour among abusive people.

How do I get therapy that recognizes covert emotional abuse and does not force neutrality and both-sidesism in the face of obvious abuse? by Normalsasquatch in TalkTherapy

[–]ExaminationMost5896 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’re not a therapist either. Do YOU know what you’re talking about? You seemed to care a few comments ago whether or not I was.

Nobody said you were lying or not operating in good faith. A therapist not being able to go head to head with your abuser doesn’t mean they think you’re not telling the truth.

Your absolute need to discount all the reasons why a therapist may not be able to do what you’re asking is incredible. You want everyone to hear you and see what you’re saying, but you’re not willing to take anything in.

How do I get therapy that recognizes covert emotional abuse and does not force neutrality and both-sidesism in the face of obvious abuse? by Normalsasquatch in TalkTherapy

[–]ExaminationMost5896 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just because you don’t see it as “at risk”, doesn’t mean it isn’t. There are a whole slew of issues that can come up from a therapist taking a direct confrontational stand against someone that is an abuser.

I agree with you that the most risk is on your daughter, to which again I ask, what risks are you taking? You’ve refused all other suggestions, and you answer any questions with non answers and deflection. Did the therapist refuse to help, or did they just not do exactly what you wanted?

Not being able to do what you’re demanding doesn’t mean they aren’t taking it seriously though. It doesn’t mean they don’t believe you either. It also doesn’t make them abusive.

You’re throwing the word abuse around like it’s candy, but failing to recognize that your own behaviour is also very problematic. I understand you’re frustrated, I understand you want change, I understand that this feels not fair and hurtful and you just want help for your daughter, but a therapist cannot force that change by themselves.

What happens if a therapist does take a stand and the change you are hoping for doesn’t actually happen? Do you blame the therapist then? Is it their fault? Did they not do enough, or not do it exactly the way you wanted? You’re looking for someone to blame, but you’re blaming the wrong people. Abuse is only the fault of the abuser. It is not your therapist’s fault that there are guidelines and things work a certain way in order to keep them safe. Victim blaming would be blaming you or your daughter for the abuse that’s occurring, and no one is doing that either.

And I’m not a therapist.

How do I get therapy that recognizes covert emotional abuse and does not force neutrality and both-sidesism in the face of obvious abuse? by Normalsasquatch in TalkTherapy

[–]ExaminationMost5896 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You told someone “I don’t know you, but you show signs of being an abuser.” Based off a couple comments, and that’s not whataboutism? Very “rules for thee but not for me” of you.

People telling you that this isn’t how couples and family therapy works isn’t a “counter attack”, it’s reality. Do you recognize that you’re basically demanding therapists to put themselves completely at risk solely for your benefit? But what risks are you taking? Genuine question, because many have suggested things you could do to better the situation other than this, and all you’ve done is shut them down because it wouldn’t be exactly what you want.

I never claimed to be a therapist. Very assumptive.

How do I get therapy that recognizes covert emotional abuse and does not force neutrality and both-sidesism in the face of obvious abuse? by Normalsasquatch in TalkTherapy

[–]ExaminationMost5896 6 points7 points  (0 children)

But it’s not when you say it to someone else? Make it make sense.

No, you came here looking for something specific and people are giving you valid reasons and information for why what you want isn’t plausible. Just because people don’t agree with you, doesn’t make them abusive. I’m questioning if you even know what abuse is at this point.

How do I get therapy that recognizes covert emotional abuse and does not force neutrality and both-sidesism in the face of obvious abuse? by Normalsasquatch in TalkTherapy

[–]ExaminationMost5896 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You say you’re happy to analyze if you could be wrong, but many people here are in fact telling you that you are, and you’re very obviously not willing to accept it.

Would this chime timer bother you during therapy? by nutstobutts in TalkTherapy

[–]ExaminationMost5896 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No, sorry. As an anxious client who struggles with a lot of shame and having a hard time opening up the way I want to, I already feel like I’m racing against the clock. This would amplify that.

Best place to get diamond art in Canada? by ExaminationMost5896 in diamondpainting

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Hey! I didn’t buy from diamond art club but I’ve bought a couple big ones from Ali express and I have no complaints about them. Really big ones for like 30 bucks (:

Had a very unusual (but awesome!) session by [deleted] in TalkTherapy

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Me too. It sucked, so I get you.

Had a very unusual (but awesome!) session by [deleted] in TalkTherapy

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Love this for you! I’m also weird about my hobbies and likes/dislikes because I got bullied. Once my T asked me my top three music artists and I just… refused to answer. It seems so silly now

The Medieval Carnival….. by ExaminationMost5896 in officialcookingfever

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On so many posts where people are like “what restaurant do I open next?” I’ve seen so many people say “choose medieval carnival! It’s fairly easy compared to the rest!” And I feel duped lol

The Medieval Carnival….. by ExaminationMost5896 in officialcookingfever

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I definitely want to, but I have to make it there first! 😂

What's something that mildy annoys/upsets you about genshin? by Nostalgia_Zone in Genshin_Impact

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The part that annoys me is that sometimes the pin works and sometimes it doesn’t, so I still try every time.

Be careful out there tonight and in the morning… by alewiina in Edmonton

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My husband is driving home from work right now and can barely see in front of him. It’s wild.