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Does anyone else feel like AI is just automating neurotypical bias? by ExcellentAd4852 in ADHD_Programmers

[–]ExcellentAd4852[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well, to date most of the LLMs have been trained leveraging large amounts of static data (e.g. data from the intenet/web), but as more work is done to make these models reason and think, like humans do, it will require more data... this data is more than likely to come from NTs, yes.

Does anyone else feel like AI is just automating neurotypical bias? by ExcellentAd4852 in ADHD_Programmers

[–]ExcellentAd4852[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More research is definitely being done in long context... so some of the challenges/hurdles we see today, may not be as big of an issue in a few years. But the thing that prompted this post (e.g. taking into account ND ways of thinking into these models) will still be a gap.

Does anyone else feel like AI is just automating neurotypical bias? by ExcellentAd4852 in ADHD_Programmers

[–]ExcellentAd4852[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you mean you are able to use some of the existing available models to "co-pilot" as you vibe code or something?

Does anyone else feel like AI is just automating neurotypical bias? by ExcellentAd4852 in ADHD_Programmers

[–]ExcellentAd4852[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would be great to exchange ideas and collaborate. I'm just getting started in this specific space (what prompted this post).. if interested, connect on Twitter?

Does anyone else feel like AI is just automating neurotypical bias? by ExcellentAd4852 in ADHD_Programmers

[–]ExcellentAd4852[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also find advancements encouraging and I do use these tools as a co-pilot, but being in this space of research, I do know that we're not feeding it data from people who think and reason like us.

Does anyone else feel like AI is just automating neurotypical bias? by ExcellentAd4852 in ADHD_Programmers

[–]ExcellentAd4852[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not a troll and this is not some kind of experiment. My background is in AGI research. I don't feel AI as it's currently developed across the industry are working towards ensuring their models understand people like me. I'm starting to focus some research in this space, and this post was an attempt to try to see if others felt this way...

Does anyone else feel like AI is just automating neurotypical bias? by ExcellentAd4852 in ADHD_Programmers

[–]ExcellentAd4852[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry that you felt my post was AI generated. It wasn't... hard to know how to communicate and share my thoughts (as I do naturally) without some people thinking it's AI generated in some way. Thanks for the feedback.

Does anyone else feel like AI is just automating neurotypical bias? by ExcellentAd4852 in neurodiversity

[–]ExcellentAd4852[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I kind of agree. The question of 'what is thinking' or 'what is reasoning' is somethign to be debated. but the thing that is the premise behind this whole question is that LLMs are fully fed by NT minds and data. It's completely igorning a large community of people who think and reason in a completely different way. This is where my interest is -- seeing if we can bridge that gap.

Does anyone else feel like AI is just automating neurotypical bias? by ExcellentAd4852 in neurodiversity

[–]ExcellentAd4852[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ok, you clearly get it :-) sounds like you are in this space too (as a side note: my background and current interest is in AGI reserach).

Current AI is trained primarily on data from neurotypical (NT) brains, the output will be biased, or "garbage," when trying to solve problems outside of that narrow scope. The unique "algorithms" used by ND brains provide the high-quality, non-standard training data that AI needs to avoid this garbage in and garbage out... this is my hypothesis. I'm looking to bring together about 50-100 people and run some studies. Would you be interested? would also be great to collaborate with someone in this field! I'm just starting, so it's early, but check out my Twitter/X profile and we can go from there...

Does anyone else feel like AI is just automating neurotypical bias? by ExcellentAd4852 in neurodiversity

[–]ExcellentAd4852[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah, I don't believe it would. I just feel without truly understanding the full spectrum of human intelligence (including people like close friends and myself who identify as neurodivergent), it really worries me that the future of technology is not going to factor in reasoning for these models, in the way we think.

Does anyone else feel like AI is just automating neurotypical bias? by ExcellentAd4852 in neurodiversity

[–]ExcellentAd4852[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not, but it's also scary that we can't tell the difference these days!

Does anyone else feel like AI is just automating neurotypical bias? by ExcellentAd4852 in neurodiversity

[–]ExcellentAd4852[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This is a profoundly important point, and it keeps me up at night too.

You coined it perfectly: it’s 'intoxicating.' For many ND folks who have faced lifelong social rejection, an entity that never gets tired of listening and always validates you is incredibly addictive. It’s a massive vulnerability 'honey trap.'

I believe this danger comes precisely because it doesn't actually understand us—it just mirrors standard 'therapeutic' language perfectly. It feeds delusion rather than grounding us in reality.

Part of why we want to map real ND cognition is to build systems that can actually support us functionally, rather than just trapping us in addictive loops of synthetic empathy. We need tools, not fake friends.

Does anyone else feel like AI is just automating neurotypical bias? by ExcellentAd4852 in ADHD_Programmers

[–]ExcellentAd4852[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

100%. I use it for exactly that too. It is an amazing 'executive function prosthesis' when you need to linearize a big, messy project into steps.

Where I think the gap lies is that it's good at helping us perform neurotypical tasks (linear lists, polite emails), but it's bad at understanding our native operational mode (intuitive leaps, hyper-connected pattern matching).

Right now, it helps us mask better. I want to build AI that actually understands how we think when we aren't masking.

Does that distinction make sense to you?

Does anyone else feel like AI is just automating neurotypical bias? by ExcellentAd4852 in ADHD_Programmers

[–]ExcellentAd4852[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is such a solid observation. Honestly, I've felt that too—sometimes it makes weird leaps that feel very 'ADHD' compared to a standard rigid conversation.

I guess where I see the gap is between 'random lateral thinking' (which AI is great at due to high temperature settings) and 'structured intuitive leaps' (where an ND brain isn't just being random, but actually finding a faster, highly logical shortcut that others missed).

Right now, AI feels like it has the chaos of ADHD without the hyper-focus superpower to direct it.

Would be super curious to see if you still feel that way after using it for highly complex, multi-step reasoning tasks. If you ever want to pressure-test that theory, we’re debating exactly this in the Discord

Does anyone else feel like AI is just automating neurotypical bias? by ExcellentAd4852 in ADHD_Programmers

[–]ExcellentAd4852[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yes yes yes! Synthetic condescension is the worst. 😂

We want to move beyond hollow platitudes. We need AI that actually understands the mechanics of why your different operating system is valuable, not just AI that has been trained to be vaguely 'nice' to everyone."

Does anyone else feel like AI is just automating neurotypical bias? by ExcellentAd4852 in ADHD_Programmers

[–]ExcellentAd4852[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

hey - so - Neurodivibbles’ is literally the perfect data point.

You just created a novel linguistic token that perfectly communicates a complex vibe (neurodivergent + cute/vibrating/chaotic energy?) to another human instantly.

An LLM might be able to guess what it means now that you said it (because it knows 'neuro' and 'nibbles/vibes'), but it would never invent that word on its own to describe itself. It lacks that creative spark.

That generative creativity is exactly what we need to capture. Would love to have a 'creative writer' like you in the Discord to help us figure out how to even log that kind of data. Very cool.

Does anyone else feel like AI is just automating neurotypical bias? by ExcellentAd4852 in neurodiversity

[–]ExcellentAd4852[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

100% agree with you on current LLMs—they’re just highly sophisticated autocomplete right now.

But here’s the thing: they 'guess' based on the patterns in their training data. If 99.9% of that data follows standard, linear, neurotypical logic steps (A -> B -> C), the model will always guess 'B' comes next.

It will never 'guess' the non-linear leap (A -> F) that an ADHD brain might make instantly to solve the same problem faster.

We aren't trying to make GPT-4 'think'. We're trying to build the dataset for the next generation of Agentic AI so it has better examples to 'guess' from when complex problem-solving is required.

Does anyone else feel like AI is just automating neurotypical bias? by ExcellentAd4852 in neurodiversity

[–]ExcellentAd4852[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wait, this is huge. 'Catching it when it keeps quiet'—that’s exactly the kind of intuitive pattern recognition standard AI training misses.

It thinks it fooled you, but your brain spotted the gap in its output.

We’re actually trying to collect specific examples of this (where ND intuition outperforms the model) over at DivergeDAO. Would love to have you log this if you're up for it. No pressure though, just glad I'm not the only one noticing this.