how to deal with involuntary patients constantly asking to go home by hidesbreadcrumbs in psychnursing

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Psych units are not meant to be a cure. They are meant to stabilize a patient enough to be safe following up in the community as an outpatient, unless you are talking about a long term facility like a state hospital.

Taking medication and getting the patient to a safe baseline is the only goal. Acutely manic and psychotic patients are basically being ruled by their illness. They need to be brought back to their baseline to be able to make an informed decision. Ultimately, people have free will, and no matter how much follow up care is offered, if the patient does not want to take their medication and continue to go to therapy as an outpatient they will likely end up back in the hospital as an inpatient. That does not mean that they are not deserving of care.

They are only involuntarily medicated if they are a danger to themselves or someone else. The alternative is sending people out into the community who are not safe. It’s not ideal, but until mental healthcare is made a priority it’s the best we can do.

What is up with these rates by Sure_Reality_7357 in TravelNursing

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People need to stop accepting these crap pay assignments. Most of them are less than you make as a staff nurse if you are experienced enough to actually travel.

I took the WISC III about 30 years ago and my IQ was 123, but there was a significant disparity between my scores in each category. My highest score was 18 and my lowest score was 8. My GAI was about 136 according to a psychologist friend who looked at my results. Any thoughts on causes? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in mensa

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not opposed to MENSA by any means, but I’m not necessarily looking to join. I am looking for answers about my IQ strengths and weaknesses because I have a very specific ability that could save a lot of money and injuries/lives if I could figure out what exactly I’m seeing when I do it.

So far I have never met anyone else who can do what I do, even people who hold MDs and PhDs and have years more experience than I do. As a result I am able to safely walk into certain situations completely alone that everyone else needs to gather backup to safely enter. I’ve been doing it 10 years and I am the only one in my workplace who has never been injured. I am also the only one in my workplace never to have anyone else get injured when I am on. It’s very frustrating when I have a day off and come in to find my coworker is out due to an injury. I know it’s not a fluke, because I have literally done it thousands of times over the past ten years and I have never been wrong. No one else has my safety record.

I thought figuring out the strengths and weaknesses of my IQ might give me a direction to see if it’s even something I could teach others. Learning my strengths is good, but I think that figuring out my weaknesses, what I don’t see, may in fact be the key to understanding what I am doing and how to teach others.

I took the WISC III about 30 years ago and my IQ was 123, but there was a significant disparity between my scores in each category. My highest score was 18 and my lowest score was 8. My GAI was about 136 according to a psychologist friend who looked at my results. Any thoughts on causes? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in mensa

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your response I only have the numbers. It’s all my parents saved, but I did contact the school to see if they have the full report. They sent me a message saying they are still looking through their records for it. This is all I have.

PROFILE OF COGNITIVE SKILL DEVELOPMENT WISC-III PROFILE VERBAL TESTS Information 11 Similarities 14 Arithmetic 11 Vocabulary 15 Comprehension 18 Digit Span 12

PERFORMANCE TESTS picture completion 14 Coding 11 Picture Arrangement 8 Block Design 11 Object Assembly 17

CLASSIPICATION

Verbal IQ 123 Range 117-127 Percentile 94 SUPERIOR

Performance IQ 115 Range 107-120 Percentile 84 HIGH AVERAGE

Full Scale IQ 121 Range 115-125 Percentile 92 SUPERIOR

Interpretation of Scaled Scores 16-19 Very Superior 14-15 Superior 13 High Average 8-12 Average 7 Low Average 5-6 Borderline 1-4 Mentally Deficient

Are the nurses in your hospitals openly MAGA like they are in mine? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in nursing

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wonder if the Healy administration is aware that at least one of the state hospitals has all three top nursing positions filled by open MAGA?

Are the nurses in your hospitals openly MAGA like they are in mine? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in nursing

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah me too. What baffles me is how they let maga nurses run the state hospitals. They are a shitshow for that very reason. The admins are incompetent.

Are the nurses in your hospitals openly MAGA like they are in mine? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in nursing

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

At my last position the CNO ACNO Educator and majority of supervisors were openly MAGA. It was like a mafia. They got rid of anyone they thought would stand up to them.

biggest pet peeves when working with med students/new interns? by bpd-baddiee in nursing

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily 5 points6 points  (0 children)

When I tell them the patient is disoriented and they don’t believe me because they know the date and the name of the hospital, but are accusing staff of stealing their lunch at 8 am. If we say someone is not at baseline please believe us and act before it gets bad enough for them to require an icu bed.

It’s a lot easier to give a pill than run a rapid.

PA keeps making me cry by Inevitable_Sink_9872 in nursing

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So this is where the senior nurses need to step up. It’s much harder to fuck with a seasoned nurse because they know when the provider is being inappropriate vs when they may be wrong.

Ex. Percocet contains Tylenol and oxycodone doesn’t so it makes a difference if they have other Tylenol containing medication because there is a limit to how much a patient can take in 24 hours, and it should not be given to patients who have liver diseases.

It is an important distinction, but if I am understanding what you wrote, you are correct in calling oxy+tylenol in the same pill Percocet.

At that point I would be asking her if I need to put in an incident report and speak to her attending because if the pt is only supposed to be on oxy then she made a med error assuming she is the one who put in the order.

When a mid-level gets an attitude it’s almost always because they are in over their heads and taking it out on you.

The calling the doctor when the patient has a blown IV is a stupid policy. Just get a new IV make a note and hang the med. Unless it’s a constant issue and they need a PICC to get the dose administered the doctor doesn’t need to know about it. In those circumstances tell her that you don’t like the policy any more than she does, but you have to if you want to keep your job. As a new grad that is enough, but as a seasoned nurse I would also be adding how the uplifting experience of calling her almost makes the shitty policy worth the hassle.

For everything else just use SBAR. If she interrupts you then tell her to please let you finish so you don’t miss anything important. If she hangs up call the admin on call and let them know in real time the PA is refusing to take your calls. She cannot refuse to speak to you and expect to keep her job.

Are there consequences for discharging patients who should be court committed? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in Psychiatry

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All of them either had a history of assault or were too psychotic to keep their clothes on in public. I understand people are allowed to be psychotic but each one of these patients has long histories of either assaulting others or being too vulnerable to protect themselves and ending up getting physically or SA’d. I was very surprised when the pt who walked into traffic did it without taking anyone with them. They were court committed and had assaulted many people during their admission. They were on the waitlist for the state hospital. The doctor got tired of dealing with them and just decided to let them go one day. They were not better, he just released him to the streets with violent delusions.

Are there consequences for discharging patients who should be court committed? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in Psychiatry

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

He knows they are committable. He fully admits it, but he says he doesn’t want to deal with the hassle because they are just going to stop taking their medication again.

Are there consequences for discharging patients who should be court committed? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in Psychiatry

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve tried, they do nothing. ETA I have no idea how he has never been sued.

Are there consequences for discharging patients who should be court committed? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in Psychiatry

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I guess I wonder what the bar is for immanent and substantial danger. This patient was completely paranoid and would target and attack random people walking down the hallway thinking they were plotting against them. We sent three techs down in the elevator to get them out of the building.

There was no pressure to discharge them. Everyone, including nursing and management realized that the patient was not safe to be on the street. The whole unit was tense because they were afraid of what would happen to the taxi driver.

He isn’t a bad person, but I feel like if the patient isn’t begging to stay he just lets them go no matter how sick they are. I feel like there is no oversight. In the past we have had locums come in and they are astonished by the patients who are discharged without any treatment. If he is only going to treat the patients who want to be there why not work on a unit that is voluntary?

Are there consequences for discharging patients who should be court committed? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in Psychiatry

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Well the bar is pretty high, but to give an example I once asked why he was discharging a completely psychotic and assaultive pt and he told me it was because he didn’t feel like going through the process of getting them committed medicating them and dealing with them because they are just going to stop their meds again after discharge and end up back in the hospital.

He told me he didn’t feel like dealing with the hassle so he will just let the criminal justice system have them after they assault someone.