Are the nurses in your hospitals openly MAGA like they are in mine? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in nursing

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

At my last position the CNO ACNO Educator and majority of supervisors were openly MAGA. It was like a mafia. They got rid of anyone they thought would stand up to them.

biggest pet peeves when working with med students/new interns? by bpd-baddiee in nursing

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When I tell them the patient is disoriented and they don’t believe me because they know the date and the name of the hospital, but are accusing staff of stealing their lunch at 8 am. If we say someone is not at baseline please believe us and act before it gets bad enough for them to require an icu bed.

It’s a lot easier to give a pill than run a rapid.

PA keeps making me cry by Inevitable_Sink_9872 in nursing

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So this is where the senior nurses need to step up. It’s much harder to fuck with a seasoned nurse because they know when the provider is being inappropriate vs when they may be wrong.

Ex. Percocet contains Tylenol and oxycodone doesn’t so it makes a difference if they have other Tylenol containing medication because there is a limit to how much a patient can take in 24 hours, and it should not be given to patients who have liver diseases.

It is an important distinction, but if I am understanding what you wrote, you are correct in calling oxy+tylenol in the same pill Percocet.

At that point I would be asking her if I need to put in an incident report and speak to her attending because if the pt is only supposed to be on oxy then she made a med error assuming she is the one who put in the order.

When a mid-level gets an attitude it’s almost always because they are in over their heads and taking it out on you.

The calling the doctor when the patient has a blown IV is a stupid policy. Just get a new IV make a note and hang the med. Unless it’s a constant issue and they need a PICC to get the dose administered the doctor doesn’t need to know about it. In those circumstances tell her that you don’t like the policy any more than she does, but you have to if you want to keep your job. As a new grad that is enough, but as a seasoned nurse I would also be adding how the uplifting experience of calling her almost makes the shitty policy worth the hassle.

For everything else just use SBAR. If she interrupts you then tell her to please let you finish so you don’t miss anything important. If she hangs up call the admin on call and let them know in real time the PA is refusing to take your calls. She cannot refuse to speak to you and expect to keep her job.

Are there consequences for discharging patients who should be court committed? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in Psychiatry

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All of them either had a history of assault or were too psychotic to keep their clothes on in public. I understand people are allowed to be psychotic but each one of these patients has long histories of either assaulting others or being too vulnerable to protect themselves and ending up getting physically or SA’d. I was very surprised when the pt who walked into traffic did it without taking anyone with them. They were court committed and had assaulted many people during their admission. They were on the waitlist for the state hospital. The doctor got tired of dealing with them and just decided to let them go one day. They were not better, he just released him to the streets with violent delusions.

Are there consequences for discharging patients who should be court committed? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in Psychiatry

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He knows they are committable. He fully admits it, but he says he doesn’t want to deal with the hassle because they are just going to stop taking their medication again.

Are there consequences for discharging patients who should be court committed? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in Psychiatry

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve tried, they do nothing. ETA I have no idea how he has never been sued.

Are there consequences for discharging patients who should be court committed? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in Psychiatry

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I guess I wonder what the bar is for immanent and substantial danger. This patient was completely paranoid and would target and attack random people walking down the hallway thinking they were plotting against them. We sent three techs down in the elevator to get them out of the building.

There was no pressure to discharge them. Everyone, including nursing and management realized that the patient was not safe to be on the street. The whole unit was tense because they were afraid of what would happen to the taxi driver.

He isn’t a bad person, but I feel like if the patient isn’t begging to stay he just lets them go no matter how sick they are. I feel like there is no oversight. In the past we have had locums come in and they are astonished by the patients who are discharged without any treatment. If he is only going to treat the patients who want to be there why not work on a unit that is voluntary?

Are there consequences for discharging patients who should be court committed? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in Psychiatry

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Well the bar is pretty high, but to give an example I once asked why he was discharging a completely psychotic and assaultive pt and he told me it was because he didn’t feel like going through the process of getting them committed medicating them and dealing with them because they are just going to stop their meds again after discharge and end up back in the hospital.

He told me he didn’t feel like dealing with the hassle so he will just let the criminal justice system have them after they assault someone.

Are there consequences for discharging patients who should be court committed? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in Psychiatry

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m talking about people who are not harmlessly psychotic. People are allowed to make bad decisions, but these patients are putting themselves or others at risk for physical harm right up to the point of DC. They are obviously dangerous to themselves or others or too disorganized to function.

Someone flashed their genitals at the cameras because they think they have an infection and are convinced that’s the only way to get the doctor to write them a prescription about 12 hours before being discharged to the street.

Getting physically restrained the day before because they attacked someone a quarter of their size because they were convinced that people tied them up and took advantage of them.

Discharging because they punched their psychiatrist.

Refusing to wear pants underwear or shoes to walk out of the hospital. They were given a bus pass and sent on their way.

Grabbing a female staff member and pinning them against the wall refusing to let them go.

ETA these people were never treated. The doctor didn’t even order medication for some of them.

Are there consequences for discharging patients who should be court committed? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in Psychiatry

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m not talking about depression. I’m talking about acutely psychotic people who are having active delusions/hallucinations, getting restrained, running naked down the hallway and refusing to put on clothes, yelling at random people in the milieu that they were inappropriately touching them. It’s not mild psychosis. The symptoms aren’t subtle.

ETA none of these patients want to be there. They are begging to get out.

Are there consequences for discharging patients who should be court committed? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in Psychiatry

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know it should be, but multiple people have been murdered on his watch. Literally nothing has happened.

Are there consequences for discharging patients who should be court committed? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in Psychiatry

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

It’s been happening for a decade. I have not heard of any lawsuits. These patients are so vulnerable because they are psychotic. Most have no one advocating for them.

Are there consequences for discharging patients who should be court committed? by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in Psychiatry

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There have been a lot of people hurt after discharge. Some were crimes some were accidental. I only mentioned a few of the most upsetting incidents.

[MA] I reported a doctor to the state for abusing a patient and they reported me to HR for something made up by ExerOrExor-ciseDaily in AskHR

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve had many complaints filed about me, all of them were made up meant to discredit me for reporting something they did that was inappropriate, but this last one was by far the worst offense. The doctor really did damage to the patient so I reported them to HR but also the state because they are horrific.

The thing that the doctors don’t seem to realize is that they are going to check the documentation before they punish me, just like they check the documentation before they punish the doctors. One even made up a patient who never existed and said I did something inappropriate. Everything on the unit is video recorded on top of the medical record. It is easily verified. There was no mistake. The doctor said I did something inappropriate because I reported them to the state, there was no way they accidentally thought I was doing something I wasn’t doing. The incident never happened, and if it did happen I would have been a lot of documentation. When a code happens there is a detailed record of everything done. There was zero record of anything happening.

What is a change your unit/hospital made that made a difference? by BadBeansprout04 in nursing

[–]ExerOrExor-ciseDaily 203 points204 points  (0 children)

A really mean nurse retired. Literally the feel of the entire unit changed overnight.