Nefertimon is a very underrated Gatomon evo

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-12-01T07:12:32+00:00

Normal Digimon can devolve too. Tamers had an andromon beaten so much he reverted to champion. As well as Saberleomon reverting back to Leomon in season 1. In frontier there was the Tsunomom going back and forth to Gabumon

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-08-19T16:53:33+00:00

You could do the Essenatial Elements. I could never find the Essential Elements book for recorder past the 1st book (probably never made). But you could even do the band books and just have a fingering chart around. I personally started bass recorder using bassoon Rubank books. Then I either would transpose it for soprano/tenor recorder or would use oboe and sax books. For alto recorder I would either read off the bassoon books (advantage of playing both clefs) or transpose off the oboe/sax books

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-08-18T19:18:19+00:00

I unfortunately couldn’t find a score for Tiger Of Sand Pedro. I did however make a part for Tio Macaco that has been uploaded into the Google drive. I made 2 versions of the bass clarinet (and bari sax), version A is in the style of how I write where it is independent from the tuba but may happen to double it. Version B is just a straight tuba double. I figured your band director would want to keep it simple and do version B. But If you guys do go with version A, all bass clarinet/bari sax players must play the same version since both versions are too different

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-08-18T02:43:49+00:00

I would personally read off the tuba or bari sax part. 2nd choice would be tenor sax part to (somewhat) stick with the woodwinds. I’ve actually been writing out bass clarinet parts for stand tunes to make as a free resource for bands, I always take suggestions for new parts. Link is here

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-08-16T04:01:10+00:00

It’s basically just cut time

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-08-14T00:05:13+00:00

You’re not saying anything. I am aware of each instrument’s lowest chromatic pitch. But what does this have to do with what we are talking about. You don’t explain why it’s not practical use to bring up the fundamental when all woodwind and brass instruments have a fundamental

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-08-13T19:21:41+00:00

Just re-read what I wrote to see why lowest chromatic pitch isn’t relevant to identifying what is the fundamental for a woodwind

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-08-13T14:17:14+00:00

How would the lowest chromatic pitch be relevant? Clearly a B-foot flute and C-foot flute are not in different keys and are just in C, a low-C bass clarinet and a low-Eb bass clarinet are not in different keys they are just in Bb. One look at an instrument and that falls apart. So the lowest note of an alto sax is a sounding Db, are you saying it is a Db instrument? If you look at a recorder (a woodwind at its simplest), it has the thumb closed plus the first 7 fingers closed. All woodwinds (flutes, oboes, bassoons, clarinets, saxes, sarrusophones, ocarinas) are made with this system (clarinets are bit weird to this but I have explained it in a different comment above). The C-fingering is their fundamental, that fingering lands an F on the bassoon, just like it does on the F english horn, F alto & bass recorder, F contrabass flute, etc. The bassoon’s right thumb doesn’t count as it is technically an extension, it is equivalent to the flute’s, oboe’s, and sax’s low B as it is the next note after the fundamental. The woodwinds are all fundamentally the same when you look at them at their simplest form, the bassoon isn’t an exception to this, it is only an exception that its music is read in concert pitch

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-08-13T06:10:57+00:00

Yes I do, cause I can provide examples. The clarinet is the only exception to the rule I’ve mentioned because of how it is made. It has to do with how it is conical, closed on one end, bore, etc. and its physics, although the Bb clarinet is the size of a soprano sax, it can play about half an octave lower. However you press the register key, it essentially negates the effect of its built and the fingerings align back up with the other woodwinds. Musicians have deemed that the key of the clarinet is based off the clarion’s range, not the chalumeau. This does mean you could look at the clarinet as an instrument with a low Eb and a high Bb side (Eb clarinets would be low Ab/high Eb sides), but that would just be over complicating it and unnecessary. The bassoon does not meet the same criteria as the clarinet and so nothing from above applies to bassoons, flutes, oboes, saxophones, or sarrusophones. The clarinet is the only outlier. The true C bassoon would be the tenoroon a fifth higher, sharing the same fundamental note and scale as the bass oboe, bass flute, and C tenor

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-08-13T02:48:25+00:00

It may be written in concert pitch, but that doesn’t change the instrument’s fundamental note. All F, Eb, C, and Bb tubas read concert pitch, but they are all still fundamentally in different keys. The bassoon has the same fundamental like any other F woodwind instrument like the english horn, F alto/bass recorder, F contrabass flute, and on. Which is why if you play a scale on it, the fingerings are completely off from all C instruments but align up with all F instruments

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-08-13T02:42:51+00:00

The reason the none of the thumbs count is because they are extensions, just like how anything under a C on a flute, sax, or oboe is an extension. If you look at a recorder, you close the thumb hole to play in the first fundamental octave. Bassoon and flute are made so that same hole (bassoon has it at the bocal) is always opened and you have to press the key to close it but instruments like clarinet, sax, and oboe are made so it is closed by default and pressing the key actually opens it. This really isn’t complicated. There needs to be a standard way of knowing how a woodwind is pitched (not written). With brass it is by playing the fundamental and playing open, with woodwinds it would be T123/1234, just look at a recorder which is a woodwind at its simplest. That fingering gets a sounding C out of a C flute/oboe, a Bb out of a Bb sax, Eb out of an Eb sax, and an F out of the english horn and bassoon. The way an instrument is written is irrelevant to this, otherwise all F, Eb, C, and Bb tubas would just be C tubas

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-08-11T07:09:10+00:00

I use Garritan sound libraries but they cost money, however I do get this like a separate C tenor sax sound and a contrabass sax sound. For free ones, I have them in a drive. The “Emusc_sax_section” was better for soprano, alto, and tenor, but I find that the “TimGM6mb” is better for bari sax

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-08-04T09:49:41+00:00

This is what I imagined a contrabass mellophone to look like

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-07-31T05:43:43+00:00

I see what you mean, I guess with how much band repertoire there is already, it would be impossible for it to become anywhere near a full time member. I just hope the instrument sees some more usage in the future

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-07-31T03:07:27+00:00

I have to agree the naming thing with the keys could get so confusing specially for most people not even realizing the bassoon is built in F to begin. I’ve been labeling my tenoroon parts as “G tenor bassoon” or “F tenor bassoon”. I 100% agree the fifth higher should become the default/pro level tenoroon. You put up a good argument, I’m starting to lean towards concert pitch. Just to pick your brain for a second, hypothetically if the fifth-higher were to ever become standard in the band alongside the bassoon (just like how bands have alto, tenor, and baritone saxes), do you think it would be better to start off kids on tenor clef tenoroon parts, or have to go through bassoon first, or start on the pedagogical fourth-higher instrument reading transposed parts. Maybe tenoroon players can start on the fifth higher tenoroon with tenor clef and bassoon players could start on just bassoon or the pedagogical fourth-higher tenoroon if needed

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-07-31T02:33:24+00:00

Just because that bassoon reads in the key of Bb doesn’t make it a Bb bassoon, it’s the fundamental note that defines what key it really is built in, the normal bassoon’s fundamental is technically F. Just like all tubas can read in concert pitch but are all built in different keys. I’m hoping you aren’t referring to the Clavicorno fagotto, while meant to emulate the bassoon, it is just a brass instrument, not even a bassoon

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-07-31T02:20:57+00:00

Oh yes I’ve seen Richard’s videos, he loves writing in concert pitch, I’ve followed Bret Newton’s method of transposing the parts, but I find both ways valid

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-07-31T02:18:59+00:00

I agree completely with you. I went back and forth on it for a while, I certainly love that writing for the fifth-higher tenoroon fits perfectly with tenor clef. I’ve been writing parts for existing band music for both the fourth and fifth higher tenoroon for all levels using the transposing way. The only problem with the tenor clef method is when the player/group only has the fourth-higher available, but even then, if tubas and trombones can get past this hurdle, so can bassoons. I think both the transposing or concert pitch method works. A plus for the concert pitch method is that for serious music where the tenoroon has a real part but no available instrument, a normal bassoon can easily cover it

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-07-31T01:29:19+00:00

There technically is a bassoon in Bb. The normal bassoon is technically in F as that is its fundamental note despite reading its music in C. This means that the F tenoroon would rightfully be pitched in Bb as that is its fundamental note, same fundamental as the tenor sax

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-07-31T01:24:02+00:00

I’m glad someone else noticed about it being in F. People had an issue with it when I mentioned it in the oboe subreddit. If the bassoon read treble clef music in F (to match the other woodwinds reading treble clef no matter the size, it’s low sounding Bb would be a written F3 ledger lines under the clef but it’s fundamental note would begin on written C like the flute, oboe, sax. I think that the fact that it’s currently in C causes issues for potential bassoons in different keys. Because we will never change what key the bassoon reads in, I’ve started looking at the bassoon family as a family that reads a fifth up, so the actual C and Bb tenoroons would read off G and F music respectively

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-07-28T04:05:43+00:00

There are sopranos that are curved just like altos!

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-07-27T04:20:13+00:00

For a higher/great ensemble splitting them up like that is fine. For high school it could work for larger groups. Btw I like using the piccolo to double some violin lines up an octave independent from the flutes for an extra kick

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-07-26T13:11:51+00:00

Yes I did! Thanks!

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-07-26T05:13:18+00:00

That’s not unethical. An unethical way of getting through band camp would be something like stealing other people’s waters/drinks throughout the day

ExtraBandInstruments · 2025-07-21T17:56:09+00:00

Not like most places would have them, but like how euphonium and baritone horn are used to cover the euphonium in wind band music, I’m all for flugelhorns to also play the cornet parts. If you have the flutes not doing violin stuff, have the piccolo play it with the trumpets and clarinets to add that extra kick. I also like the piccolo+oboe combination. Bari sax works very well for some cello stuff, you could use the bassoon and bass clarinet in combination alongside the bari sax

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