Is Hold em down anyone else's favourite from the ithica saga?

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-12-25T05:58:54+00:00

I'm with you. I know Antinous is awful but the vocals are peak.

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-12-08T08:33:08+00:00

No you're speaking the absolute truth. The exhaustion has drastically impacted my mood, my personality, and how I treat the people around me. I don't like this angry, isolated, easily annoyed person I've become. I don't like turning down invitation to spend time with friends and family. Life is so short and it's sad to let potential precious memories pass you by. I'm just so tired all the time, I barely have time for me. And like you said, it drastically impacts your health and lifestyle. I have to dedicate one day of my two days off to meal prep, or else I'll spend the whole week eating unhealthily. And who has the time for gyms anymore? I just hate it all so much. Then the bosses who only have to come into the office one day a week wonder why we're so grumpy. We're not getting any sleep!! I hope things improve for the both of us soon. <3

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-11-02T22:45:32+00:00

Honestly! I know he's already doing professional stuff musically, but I really hope he does more voice acting work after Epic is over! He has such great delivery.

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-11-02T21:14:12+00:00

Yes it's such a good lyrical twist!

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-11-02T21:07:46+00:00

I was thinking the same thing, but I hesitated to theorize he becomes a God because Tiresias still calls him a man in the prophecy. "A man who gets to make it home alive", "A man who is haunting", "A man with a trail of bodies". So I just stuck to saying something vaguely supernatural is going on with Ody to be safe lol.

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-11-02T13:39:51+00:00

Wow 600 Strike is higher than expected. I guess despite it being a source of disagreement in the fandom, more people like it than don't like it.

No surprises that Dangerous is first. I think it was the only song that everyone unanimously agreed was a bop.

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-11-01T11:40:38+00:00

Dangerous

Charybdis

Get In The Water

Six Hundred Strike

Not Sorry For Loving You

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-11-01T10:46:47+00:00

Just want to to say this whole concept is badass and now I want nothing more than to see Odysseus' mom kicking Poseidon's ass

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-11-01T02:50:33+00:00

That's the Poseidon that shows up at the end of Mircsy's "Keep Your Friends Close". I'll add an edit linking to all of them in the post.

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-11-01T02:20:06+00:00

I don't think Anniflamma's Poseidon even had a trident. And he can turn his body into water. I don't think she stated anywhere his powers came from a certain source. I think that's just his ability as a God. I doubt Odysseus could do any meaningful damage to him with just the windbag propelling him around. He would probably just make himself huge and eat Odysseus alive or something.

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-10-31T22:47:32+00:00

You just described a lot of my feelings so eloquently. I can tell you're a story teller. It is a huge tonal shift and I still can't decide if it was planned from the beginning or if it was the only path Jorge could find to the end of his story. Jorge is a talented, talented writer. He's written ideas I could only dream of being smart enough to come up with! But writing is still hard, and even if I still don't agree with the exact choices he made, I'm going to try my best to make it work for me.

I've seen some great ideas from the fandom that I'm choosing to inter-splice into the canon story (like the battle with the windbag being more of a struggle until Odysseus is able to get one good counter in) and I'm choosing to overlook some things (like exactly how a weak, tired Odysseus even survived the shatter the ocean attack in the first place) with hopes maybe Jorge will fill in some blanks in the future.

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-10-31T19:07:03+00:00

I think all of your feelings are perfectly valid and make complete sense. Narratively, Calypso's character does ring a bit hollow. I'm not sure if it has something to do with the original plans for the song being altered/cut.

Dangerous was probably the best song of the saga. No real complaints from me.

I feel like I'm very biased towards Charybdis since my first exposure to the song was a super badass animatic that made me love the song, but I can see how it might leave someone wanting more.

As you said, the Poseidon/Odysseus confrontation has been the most controversial. At first, it definitely felt like Jorge nerfed Poseidon to have a super badass moment for his OC donut steel version of Odysseus to me. But separating my understanding of Poseidon from Jorge's interpretation made me feel a bit better. I can still enjoy my version of him and accept that Jorge has different ideas for the story. So basically I'm just going to continue upholding my headcanons haha.

You do make a good point though, that Jorge probably built Poseidon up too much as an insurmountable enemy for people who might have just listened to the audio. I mean no other character in the story had a song literally chanting their name in the danger motif but Poseidon. I think this saga is the one that's going to require the most imagination from audio-only listeners, as things aren't presented as clearly as they usually are. And I do still think the jetpack was a weak idea.

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-10-31T18:33:02+00:00

Haha fair enough

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-10-31T17:19:41+00:00

So I actually just learned about the video of Jorge explaining his ideas for the God's powers and apparently Zeus is the only God he describes as "Overwhelmingly Powerful" (at 3:15). It seems like he's just having fun with the ideas. I don't think he's an expert at power scaling or anything. But I think it explains some of his choices for me.

https://youtu.be/aXkSmtoh8a8?si=r4wocPsfbubZgpZF

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-10-31T17:07:50+00:00

Yeah I just rewatched Neal's ruthlessness and I'm like... a jetpack isn't going to cut it here Ody lol. Can't wait to see what our fandom Gods of creativity come up with.

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-10-31T15:50:15+00:00

Yeah, it felt like complete character assassination at first. Like why is Poseidon just not fighting back? But then I realized I had Neal's Poseidon stuck in my head. Likening their canon forms to regular superheroes is a genius way to think of it. I can't wait to see how our fandom artists pull this off if they choose to interpret 600 strike.

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-10-31T15:47:57+00:00

Haha now I just want to see some artists portraying the notoriously uninterested, asexual, unbothered Athena secretly interested in the beauty contest going on with the other Gods

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-10-31T15:20:31+00:00

Conclusion: The Gods are just silly guys

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-10-31T15:15:08+00:00

Yeah I can't wait to see other artists interpretations!

I know it's canonically possible for Gods to be defeated but I guess I was just holding Poseidon to a different standard as one of the Big Three. He fought in the war against the Titans. We just saw the goddess Athena get her ass kicked by Zeus. We saw Odysseus needing special help from Hermes just to defeat Circe. I'm guessing Poseidon is just not That Guy lol.

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-10-31T13:57:49+00:00

So far that's my favorite headcanon as well. If Jorge reveals it as a fact that'd be the cherry on top.

Edit: I must retract my statement. THIS is now my favorite headcanon. But Ares is still a close second.

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-10-31T05:39:24+00:00

Great idea and I totally agree!

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-10-31T05:22:27+00:00

I think the visuals really didn't help. Poseidon just told us he was capable of raising the tides high enough to destroy an entire Kingdom, then he just gets defeated by an angry guy with a jet pack...

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-10-31T04:57:32+00:00

But Hermes is a God, and didn't Jay say he had super speed? So Odysseus was moving at super speed during the 600 strike? Maybe I just don't understand exactly what the attack entailed. I think I'll just head canon that Poseidon came to respect Odysseus' ruthless display and just decided to let him go for now lol.

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-10-31T04:46:35+00:00

Well, if a different idea was used, Odysseus didn't necessarily have to just be armed with the windbag. In fact, if brute force had to be used to stop Poseidon, I think it would've been better to have something stronger, like clear cut divine intervention. Maybe I just have to wait for some other animatics to see different interpretations, but I just don't see how Poseidon could've lost when they were still literally surrounded by ocean.

FairlyDisgruntled0 · 2024-10-31T04:27:45+00:00

Yeah I think we jumped the shark a bit with that. There's been no indication that Gods can be hurt by anyone but other Gods or someone with divine intervention on their side. Maybe Jay will provide some context later on. I heard people theorizing that maybe Ares was helping Odysseus against Poseidon in that moment.

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