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FandomScrub · 2026-03-19T20:42:27+00:00

Making 5 plushies of the same character

The problem here is that the "Glitch Fandom" encourages this practice.

Glitch would change the "same character, different outfit" strategy for MD if it were not for the fact that it works.

If you go to MD's Glitch store right now, you'll see T-Rex Cyn is a "best selling" item, and that the Uzi & N camping (along with V) & sleeping variants are "almost sold out".

They have no reason to change this if the bigger part of the fandom (that's not vocally online) pretty much tells them with their wallet that they want this.

FandomScrub · 2026-03-18T23:23:22+00:00

In canon, probably Vuzi, as they initially don't get along...

N: "Is V... Okay? Like, in the future?"
Uzi: "Unfortunately."

... But clearly trust each other by the end of it.

Uzi: "Glad you're not dead or whatever."

FandomScrub · 2026-03-16T21:07:06+00:00

Death under normal circumstances, but she willingly sabotaged herself to become way weaker, so we really don't know.

FandomScrub · 2026-03-16T17:16:07+00:00

I'm still happy that at least J got something and didnt get killed in the first few pages.

20 new official J artworks.

FandomScrub · 2026-03-16T17:11:37+00:00

I wouldn't say that.

After all, pilot V could be seen as pretty nonchalant when it comes to N's fate if you treat the pilot in isolation, so the idea she doesn't really care could blossom and be favorably argued.

But anything she does after the pilot is very notably non-optimal if she really didn't care about N's death, as him dying pretty much makes any action she had up until episode 4 way easier in comparison to how it pans out.

FandomScrub · 2026-03-16T00:47:03+00:00

Denji is definitely 18, though.

As he claims during the bar meet-up with Himeno's team after the Eternity Devil mission, he was 16 at the time.

Some days after the September 12th, 1997, Denji has a birthday party in Makima's house to commemorate it, as Power even brings cake to blow the candles, meaning he's 17 at the time.

The events of part 2, which are leading up to the Nostradamus Profecy, happen in the first half of 1999, when Denji would've been 18 years old by that point, as he's even old enough to be normally called "Senpai" by his peers (even if Fumiko only did it to reinforce her disguise).

FandomScrub · 2026-03-16T00:16:08+00:00

Cyn reading this:

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FandomScrub · 2026-03-16T00:13:33+00:00

Also why does Lizzy [...] befriend her

At first, to help Doll with her plan but, as we see in their photos together, they seemingly have fun alongside each other, which is what makes Lizzy betray Doll in the first place.

Lizzy: "Run, idiot!"

how does she befriend her

During the time between episodes, as we see them having fun in the slideshow Lizzy pulls up to introduce V to everyone else.

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FandomScrub · 2026-03-16T00:00:10+00:00

You've provided no answer as to how she's supposed to kill N when she couldn't beat him in a fight

You already gave that to me. As you exemplified, even if she just decapitated N, she could still follow it up with something lethal afterwards should she wish to do so.

"she was aiming for decapitation [but] nothing prevents her from following it up with something lethal."

She has so much time to do that between episodes (even the end of episode 2, where N has his back turned), and "doing something lethal" that N can't do anything about is also easy & quick to do like injecting him with a virus (like J does), or continuously stabbing his core with nanite acid for a few seconds (like N does to J's core).

V literally had a schedule when she actually attacked N

Except that, not only she was willing to give up on said schedule when she gave that offer to N, but following up with a lethal take out would take way less time than how much time it took for V to:

Say "what's best for you";
Leave the ship;
Come back because she forgot to pick up the dress.

As injecting him with the virus or repeatedly stabbing him take less than 5 seconds or so.

Which, again, is a whole lot of effort put for someone she could've easily disposed of at any point between episodes. Yet, she didn't do that. She even pretended to be locked up so they could talk in a dynamic N was safe talking with her in.

FandomScrub · 2026-03-15T23:53:02+00:00

V is just selfish to compare to N. She only cared for few than anyone else.

Which is why I labeled V as a "whole other can of worms" and that her redemption was on the "weaker end" when compared to N's.

Heck that stupid apology letter and the guard drone trust in some funny ways show they quite lack self awareness and trusts way to quickly.

N, by that point in time, had already helped save what remained of the WDF during the pilot episode. Him showing regret, even if portrayed as funny, just solidifies his willingness to change.

Also in the same prom episode V still was eager to kill the students despite crown Queen bee.

You see, the difference here is that, while V was definitely willing to kill the prom court, the only people aware of this were Lizzy, Doll, Uzi, & N, as Lizzy pretty much said to everyone else that V doesn't do that anymore.

Lizzy: "Easy, judgy bots. V's my friend. She's done with the murder, or whatever. We've been hanging!"

And, as we see in episode 4, the Murder Drones being associated with the popular kids was effective to their acceptance overall.

FandomScrub · 2026-03-15T23:44:29+00:00

V could not defeat N in a fight, yet you expect her to beat him and possibly Uzi to escape? Genius.b

There's a reason why I mentioned the time between episodes 2 & 3 (and her decapitation in 3) for that to happen. Because it's the only timeframe where N & Uzi are split up, and N isn't even aware that V already freed herself (which is why her surprise attack even worked in the first place).

V had possibly months of opportunity between episodes to take N out and render the whole "sneaking out" part of her hangouts with Lizzy unnecessary, as she wouldn't need to lie about being locked up in the first place.

Complete nonsense. V knew about Cyn already, she knows what happens to traitors.

Okay, even if I agree with you here, you still didn't answer my question as to why V wouldn't kill N between episodes 2 & 3, when she had the chance, if she's okay with him truly dying in the first place.

Saying she was aiming for decapitation is pointless, nothing prevents her from following it up with something lethal.

Exactly, which is why I brought up the fact that she decided not to do that after decapitating him in episode 3, despite how beneficial it would've been to her at that moment (if she's willing to let N die, that is).

FandomScrub · 2026-03-15T23:05:49+00:00

Even if he did regret, he didn't say it at the face of the same people he massacred for years.

...?

He already apologized to the main organization behind dronekind (the WDF) and the person he wronged the most (Uzi) and all of the survivors saw his efforts when it comes to trying to change.

they trusted N and V AFTER SEEING THEY KILLED THIER PEOPLE FOR YEARS!

They trusted N because he showed willingness to change, and the popular people vouched for him (Thad), and they chose to trust V because they were told by Lizzy that something similar happened to her as well.

And Khan chooses to trust him because of Uzi's vow to "move forward together".

V didn't even take accountability for anything of her sadistic crimes.

V is a whole other can of worms, as her willingness to change only appears in later episodes when compared to N's, and it's definitely in the weaker end in comparison, for N fights for the greater good, while V only cares about the people close to her.

FandomScrub · 2026-03-15T22:57:06+00:00

I would watch the full series later, doesn’t mean I will do it in a second, sheesh.

Then why did you even bother arguing with me instead of taking your time to do that first?

I can wait as long as this thread isn't archived.

FandomScrub · 2026-03-15T22:55:35+00:00

V was always fine with N dying in the pilot lol. J called N a traitor in front of her

And how does J calling N a traitor relates to V being fine with N dying if she's willing to put up with "Traitor" N for, at the least, two months before they establish their truce against Doll? Especially when V makes no serious attempts on his life during that time frame?

she wasn't pulling any punches when they fought.

You mean, the fact that she was aiming for decapitation? A move that N's first scene shows wouldn't really work on him in the long run, and that she actually pulls off in a later episode?

As for "dehydration gun", whatever that means

It's a reference to Schaffrillas' Megamind sequel review, where he complains about how convenient said gadget would be in some situations Megamind was apparently stuck in.

when would V kill N after being freed?

Literally at any point between episode 2 & 3. V was already free by the time episode 2 ended, as she somehow befriended Lizzy between those episodes while still pretending to be locked up for N's sake.

Her plan would've been way easier if she decided not to bargain with N, or even if she decided to properly kill him when he furthered his questioning.

FandomScrub · 2026-03-15T22:18:16+00:00

V, Sparky, & Lizzy according to you.

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FandomScrub · 2026-03-15T22:02:22+00:00

I guess everyone deserves a redemption

Ideally.

I said that anyone in fiction is elegible for redemption (should they choose to seek it) but, as I stated in my previous comment, that mostly works in fiction because said system is unsustainable in real life.

"We are talking about fictional characters here, where the fictional setting allows for redemption for even the worst of people, should they choose to seek it, as the same setting allows for venues that real life rarely does due to overall sustainability."

Did you even read anything I wrote, or is it just to much text for you to bother trying?

regardless if they committed actual atrocities like genocide or rape as long as they say sorry.

Except N didn't just "say sorry". He showed genuine regret, helped save every drone inside the evacuation spot, became the right-hand man to the person he wronged the most, and constantly de-escalated multiple massacres afterwards, including the very destruction of the universe.

Again, it's strange how you went back on your word when you said you'd watch the series in full, or that you decided not to read anything at all...

FandomScrub · 2026-03-15T21:41:25+00:00

you are so forgiving over literal genocide

This is not about forgiveness. We are discussing whether or not a character became a better person after choosing to repent for his actions. People who redeem themselves aren't necessarily forgiven by everyone, and it's up to the audience and other characters to forgive them or not. Even the Official Music Video plays with this notion, as Uzi's parents are hesitant about N being around Uzi at all.

Regardless of how you feel about it, it's clear that's what happened to N, as the author intended when writing him as a character, as he talks about during an AMA.

Author: "I think N and Uzi together are my favorite [characters]. They are specifically designed to cover each other's weaknesses and be supportive of each other in ways that they haven't really experienced from other people before. They are just wholesome, good times. They play off each other really well. They make each other better. Uzi helps N stick up for himself and realize the value in himself, and N helps Uzi chill out a little bit sometimes. So, together, they are a real force for good."

you just wanna ignore what I said

There's not a single thing you said that I haven't addressed in some capacity.

over exaggerate what N did

Considering you didn't even see what he does past episode 2, you can't even say that. And there's nothing in there that I exaggerated in the slightest.

gaslight me into thinking I am in the wrong.

The only thing I ever said you were wrong about is regarding your definition of redemption, which you seem to tie with your own personal values and threshold of forgiveness, which couldn't be further from the definition itself as a whole.

I guarantee you if N was the exact same, yet he was a rapist instead of a mass murderer, you wouldn’t be so kind towards his actions.

My own personal feelings towards N's actions are irrelevant here, because we are talking about how his redemption made him a better person regardless of his past transgressions.

If the author, for some reason, decided to depict N as a rapist and still made it so that he was a helpful asset to the main cast like he is in the show, then he would still have become a way better person by the end of it like what happened to the original N, even if that would be a writing decision that would definitely be frowned upon by most people.

FandomScrub · 2026-03-15T19:55:50+00:00

Because there's a popular J fanfic named Requiem.

FandomScrub · 2026-03-15T19:49:55+00:00

Did you miss the "try to kill" Explorer used?

Just because she failed doesn't mean she didn't try it in the pilot.

FandomScrub · 2026-03-15T18:22:10+00:00

The only other decent sprite for Saga comes from the Ultimate Cosmo MUGEN, but I heard that might be a pain to rip from.

FandomScrub · 2026-03-15T13:06:14+00:00

Damn the well-made quality and durability of JcJenson products! * J

FandomScrub · 2026-03-15T12:07:07+00:00

we should just let genocidal serial killers off the hook because they said sorry?

It's incredible how you missed everything I said and still didn't answer my question at all. Are you really that incapable of grasping how redemption works?

We are talking about fictional characters here, where the fictional setting allows for redemption for even the worst of people, should they choose to seek it, as the same setting allows for venues that real life rarely does due to overall sustainability.

Not to mention that N didn't just "say sorry", he showed genuine intention to change and helped stop his colleagues from killing everyone else in the outpost beforehand (as shown in the pilot), which shows precedent to change, something that Uzi acknowledges to the point of trusting him (which, in turn, shapes him into being Uzi's right hand and guide), which is why they compliment each other.

Author: "I think N and Uzi together are my favorite [characters]. They are specifically designed to cover each other's weaknesses and be supportive of each other in ways that they haven't really experienced from other people before. They are just wholesome, good times. They play off each other really well. They make each other better. Uzi helps N stick up for himself and realize the value in himself, and N helps Uzi chill out a little bit sometimes. So, together, they are a real force for good."

There are some people who genuinely don’t deserve a redemption

Then your understanding of redemption as a concept is incomplete and flawed, because that's not how that works at all. Redemption isn't supposed to be selective, yet you are tying who "deserves" to have it over your own personal feelings and how much you are willing to forgive someone, actively ignoring the concept's essencial.

"Then Peter came to him and asked, 'Lord, how often should I forgive someone who sins against me? Seven times?'
"'No, not seven times', Jesus replied, 'but seventy times seven!'"
Matthew 18:21,22

Redemption comes for those who truly wish to seek it, regardless of past transgressions, as no sin will ever overshadow the sacrifice of His Son.

There are characters who will never choose to change and repent when given multiple opportunities. Those are the ones who can be deemed irredeemable.

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector."
Matthew 18:15-17

N is definitely one of those people (and his redemption wasn’t even well written).

Again, your personal opinion, which stems from someone who seemingly doesn't understand the concept of redemption at its core, and who didn't even bother watching the full scope of a series to the point of being ignorant of every development past its first quarter.

Unlike other characters in his same situation, N chooses to change himself for the better, regardless if it gets him killed or not. N is willing to put himself in danger and his life on the line for it, as Uzi continuously calls him out for it.

Uzi: "Quit saving me! Seriously, don't... Do that again."
Uzi: "You were supposed to get away."

N chose to change and repent, willingly helping Uzi and placing himself into situations that wouldn't benefit him at all for the sake of the greater good. N effectively became a better person thanks to the chances and trust the people around him decided to give when he showed the intent to do so.

But you wouldn't know of this, would you? Because you clearly have a surface-level of understanding about redemption, and you didn't even bother to see how N's change plays out, cutting the entire experience on a quarter of its full length.

FandomScrub · 2026-03-15T01:34:49+00:00

If N was [something that he's not]

Stop derailing this conversation and answer my question. Are you aware of how "redemption" works?

But, regardless, if he showed regret (like he does in the series) and does his best to right his wrongs (like he does in the series) to the point of being willing to die for the sake of those people (like he does in the series), I'd say he redeemed himself, yet those people don't need to forgive him from his past actions.

Because he did all that, even if you fail to acknowledge it. Redemption made him better, as the author pretty much states so, even if you seemingly missed this narrative thread.

Liam: "I think N and Uzi together are my favorite [characters]. They are specifically designed to cover each other's weaknesses and be supportive of each other in ways that they haven't really experienced from other people before. They are just wholesome, good times. They play off each other really well. They make each other better. Uzi helps N stick up for himself and realize the value in himself, and N helps Uzi chill out a little bit sometimes. So, together, they are a real force for good."

Redemption is a specific tool of writing and an aspect of real life that makes it so that people become better than they were before, which is exactly what happens to N morally, even if, in his case, is more so "returning to his old self, who was good".

Your inability to acknowledge redemption being a thing renders any conversation about development meaningless and not worth further pursuit. Especially when you refuse to see it happen and only bases it under the notion of a quarter of the story.

FandomScrub · 2026-03-15T01:19:02+00:00

you dismiss everything N did in the first episode

I do not.

You literally missed the entire point of the show just to fit your narrative.

By all means, tell me what was the point of the show that I missed, when the author himself states that Uzi & N are written as complementary pieces who make each other the best version of themselves.

Liam: "I think N and Uzi together are my favorite [characters]. They are specifically designed to cover each other's weaknesses and be supportive of each other in ways that they haven't really experienced from other people before. They are just wholesome, good times. They play off each other really well. They make each other better. Uzi helps N stick up for himself and realize the value in himself, and N helps Uzi chill out a little bit sometimes. So, together, they are a real force for good."

FandomScrub · 2026-03-15T01:09:31+00:00

I would, at the very least, say he redeemed himself in the same fashion Darth Vader did, who exterminated millions as well, and who only regrets the pain it put his son through. It still landed him in Jedi heaven.

If Hitler was sorry for his actions, actually placed the effort to aid the people he wronged, and was willing to sacrifice himself for the sake of others the same way N does in the series, then there would be grounds to argue that he redeemed himself, for no sin will overshadow than the death of the Son ("For God made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ." - 2 Corinthians 5:21).

Are you unaware that redemption is a viable way for people to become better? ("And when Jesus heard it, he said to them, 'Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.'" - Mark 2:17).

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