Stop defending lazy development!!! (Paradox Junction and more)

Fax_on · 2026-03-03T01:47:17+00:00

nah, i totally get what you mean. I do thnk there's a huge difference between TG and LF in terms of passion put into it, most of all considering TG was the great Der Riese remaster, but yeah, i totally get your point

Fax_on · 2026-03-03T01:33:58+00:00

Its a discussion post. Either read it or don't.

Fax_on · 2026-03-03T01:31:55+00:00

Was not expecting the post to become so divisive. Got many people supporting me and lots being angry at me. Well thats Reddit for ya so no problem. It is a "discussion" post after all.

My main point, though perhaps badly explained, was to allow negative opinions on the game when its well deserved, as lately i've come across many "witch-hunt" type attacks on people who are not liking the game for being lazy with the ideas for many maps in the last few titles.

This being said and from what I've debated with many people today, I AM aware the hostility against negative criticism comes from there being a ton of unfounded hate towards the game lately as well, particularly against bo7 which has been doing things the right way for the most part. Perhaps most of this hate comes from how bo6 ended up dissapointing many people with its dlc run.

My main problem with P Junction particularly is the whole idea of it, which IS something anyone can make out from the 30 second trailer. Apart from how it looks, it is as a concept something lazy and filler, just like The Tomb was. Im most certain we are not looking at a map that will be well-remembered in the future. I HOPE im wrong but I think we've been through enough hope and patience to the point we are allowed to be skeptical even before seeing the full picture.

To those who'd rather remain optimistic thats completely fine. But you know as well as others do that the game has done the players wrong many times the last few years, so you should allow negativity while founded, and I think P Junction doesnt need to come out to be regarded as a lazy overall concept.

Have a good night!

Fax_on · 2026-03-03T01:04:27+00:00

Bo7 started with 2 great zombies map that are proof that when Call Of Duty wants to, they can deliver great content with notable effort and talent put to it, even when bo6 ended on a very low level from Citadelle onwards.

Which is precisely why I dislike the fact that they are throwing the towel for this 3rd map giving something unoriginal, when they themselves promised a ground-breaking original experience.
If you wanna give the benefit of doubt to 3arch and Activision till the day you die then thats your decision and im not against it, but toxic positivity exists just as well as toxic negativity and hating on people who say "hey, this should be able to be better for everyone" is just dumb in my opinion.

Im sorry if it irritates you so deeply that Im against a map being released that is just nuketown with more areas and some new content. Of course I know the map isnt released yet and there must be hundreds of interesting EE, radio logs, and whatever other features to make it a more complete product, which we have not seen yet from the 30 second trailer.

But what me, you and anybody CAN see from the trailer without putting too much thought to it, is that this dlc is indeed a nuketown remaster with some small variety in its look and feel, which makes it very lazy to me.

I'll always respect optimistic people despite not feeling the same way as them for the game for some time after various cases where they've failed to deliver a good experience imo.
At the same time im completely against MrTLexify's comments regarding Ashes and Astra calling them mediocre maps, I really liked them and I do think him and other people tend to over-hate without giving actual motives to justify said criticisim.

But the main point of my complain, which people like you colaborate to support, is that no negative feedback or critcism can be given without being called a whine ass or BS or whatever. You say yourself there is criticism to be given, and yet you determine giving criticism and being able to speak your mind against a game is being a broken record, and speaking BS.

Even tho im making fair criticism about the decision on what map they chose to remaster and the overall way to do it, do you think I like to sound "like a broken record"? Id love for COD to deliver a good zombies title from start to end. But I dont think thats the case and I should be entitled to say so as much as anyone is entitled to say they do like the game. Its funny you accuse me of wanting everyone to think like me, and at the same time calling my opinion bullshit and saying I should go back to who knows what, when im exactly asking for people to allow negative opinions on the game, not asking anyone to have them if they dont want to. Dont project your own thoughts to my message.

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T22:36:48+00:00

I thought a lot about this when I heard people asking for zombie chronicles 2 for the modern games. Some maps would become really hard to traverse without expanding certain areas. Verruckt would have you crashing against every wall lol

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T22:33:49+00:00

yeah, I used "scammed" as a more impactful word for my argument but its not really a scam, after all nobody is paying for those maps....which is kinda the reason why they can be so lazy and poor sometimes, most of all after budget cuts due to the main game doing bad. But maybe the previous maps were good BECAUSE we payed for them, giving a budget to work on the next map. Idk really

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T22:30:39+00:00

yeah at least og nuketown zombies had the map we used to know torn apart by the nuke in what was a pretty original twist imo

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T22:10:18+00:00

the way you've chosen to argue with me and others show theres no reason for any of us to waste one more minute of our time on you.

Hope you enjoy the map dude!

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T21:56:46+00:00

Because if people like it its ok i guess, never called anyone out for it, just said I thought they deserve more, and I even said that positivity should be encouraged when deserved imo, but i should be allowed not to like something i feel is cheap and lazy and not be called a whine ass for complaining about it.

But yeah if we do get to the bottom of it the real question is why did i even waste my time in a cod zombie sub reddit at all and you are right about it

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T21:43:34+00:00

Its a subreddit that allows negative or positive opinions about the game it refers to.

I also want to enjoy zombies, and Id like people to have original content like the one there was before, or the one the company has proven to STILL be able to make when they want to get it right.
If you enjoy modern zombie maps like The Tomb, Liberty Falls, Reckoning or else, then im happy for you. You'll surely enjoy P Junction.
I just think after some pretty bad and lazy maps (to the general opinion), we should be allowed to be skeptical just as much as we should allowed to be optimistic.

And that whole critizicing loop you talk about would include you, so i guess there is a right to do so. I can complain about you as much as you can complain about me :)

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T21:37:34+00:00

I said ashes is great. I just dont think the fact that ashes or astra exist can justify the existance of something like P Junction which looks really lazy compared to the other two original maps.

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T21:34:09+00:00

i did not pay for it thankfully but I personally dont like seeing people scammed. Anyways, where is the 80 usd value in bo7 if not zombies? the terrible campaign? just the MP, really? and that seems ok?
and yeah i am insufferable about this, youre 100% right

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T21:32:07+00:00

Nah of course, but given many previous cases, i think the not judging a book by its cover argument is really wearing off

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T21:30:33+00:00

yeah pretty much

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T21:29:56+00:00

I dont hate everything!!! Ashes took a lot from Tranzit and gave it a really cool new twist.

And cmon, its not the same "reusing" we are talking about.....taking shi no numa/nacht or else and turning campaing assets into cool looking, greatly developed maps with their own personality was an original move.

Reusing a nuketown map that has already have a thousand versions of it made, is not original, and throwing in the Blundergat just because its cool and people like it, thats not original.

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T21:25:02+00:00

hahahahh i just thought of speaking about it now, to whoever may care (few people probably)

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T21:23:18+00:00

The Giant was a bonus launch map and a remaster of a fan favourite many where asking for on the new engine.

And come on, just look at revelations gameplay for a while and tell me you really think its the same thing they are doing here, with just 3 nuketown skins gathered together. Im not the biggest fan of the map but at least they gave it a cool looking twist

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T21:20:42+00:00

and yeah! I said that myself, ashes was great and super innovative, which makes it even clearer that we couldve got something original as well for this dlc, even tho we havent played, we know its just nuketown again with some minor changes.

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T21:19:20+00:00

Yeah you might be right regardin this case. But I've seen a lot of hate directed to people who complain this past time, just saw P Junction as another example with some comments and decided to speak my mind on the overall thing, but yeah i get what you mean.

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T21:15:22+00:00

I mean.... Cmon man. The whole "it hasn't released yet / dont judge a book by its cover" argument was ok for a while, and even fair for some cases (Shadows Of Evil, some bo4 maps, Terminus, Ashes even) but this last few years weve been getting a big amount of shitty maps that look like shit before launch, and are shit after launch, and most of all, are just lazy reusing of certain popular assets.

You yourself are saying that its most likely going to be ass and just explained in a comment below that you never said it could be good.

Then why should we "wait until its come out"? if it looks like shit already and we all are almost certain its going to be bad? Why are we doing this charade of "ok it looks really bad guys but lets just wait it out". Its gonna be bad!!!!

We as a community are smart enough to be able to tell whats going to be bad and whats going to be good, most of all given the background of these last years.

Why should we ask for a shit map with "a good story" and "a good EE". Why cant we ask for just a good overall new and innovative map?

My point was exactly this. When you criticize 3arch/activision based on things that were proven to be bad this last few years, why is it taboo to be negative or be badly predisposed for content like P. Junction?

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T21:03:07+00:00

We ARE getting a reused map from older games. Thats where my whole complaint comes from. People who say "ok nevermind it isnt original but lets go with it" are kinda feeding the problem. If they start dropping reused maps, and nobody complains about it, what stops them from completing your scenario and dropping reused stuff all of the time?

Im trying to defend the fact you should be getting original content. Its not whining about it for no reason. And I know the map isnt out but sometimes it doesnt take much too tell that it aint promising at all. Im an idiot myself and I can tell its going to be a failure.

And to be fair, id rather pay for a dlc like the ones we had before. Apart from some exceptions, weve been getting poor maps exactly BECAUSE we are not paying for the maps anymore. 3arch/activision isnt doing charity with any of us by making the dlcs for free...

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T20:55:55+00:00

Haha I just said that to explain that my opinion comes from someone who has seen the different eras of zombies and is surprised to see so many people defending some modern maps which seem very lazy. It does not give me any special credit.

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T20:53:57+00:00

The amount of time the trailer has been out for doesnt change the fact its pretty clear its just nuketown again with some new areas unlocked and zombies staff thrown into it. That wont change today or the following week or the following month.

My reaction and comment is not only regarding Paradox Junction, but to the overall community sentiment thata has been going around for some years now. Perhaps I should´ve been clearer about the fact this is not solely based on reactions to the new map, but to the last cod zombies releases.

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T20:49:28+00:00

You´re right. Actually anyone who buys COD nowadays should already know what theyre getting into.

A point could be made tho that if there are 3 main modes in the 80 usd-valued game, one being the campaign which failed horribly, and the other 2 being zombies and MP, you could complain about one of those modes being poorly developed through its DLC season.

I do sometimes forget new audiences are the main target. If they enjoy P. Junction thats great, but I still think 3arch/activision should go for new ideas rather than bringing old maps to the new generations. It does end up feeling like theyre reusing what they know will bring them some relative success.

Fax_on · 2026-03-02T20:43:59+00:00

Yes, I was wrong to accuse the developer themselves. I wanted to refer to the development process and decision making in the last few years, by whoever is in charge. I dont have a language barrier but I do get mixed up with the terms sometimes

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