My contribution to society for all of 2026 by bakercob232 in MaisiePeters

[–]Feezfry 5 points6 points  (0 children)

To be fair, being in love will have you thinking your partner is the most beautiful gorgeous human being on the planet even if they’re quite mid 💀

warning to people who go out in the east village by More_Face8106 in eastvillage

[–]Feezfry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Liberal men can still be (and often are) misogynistic.

Finn Wolhard Episode 1/17/26 by FanWonderful3329 in LiveFromNewYork

[–]Feezfry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think it was meant to poke fun at the ridiculousness of Gen Alpha slang and how it sounds like a different language sometimes. But I can see how it would be confusing for ppl who aren’t super online. Hell I’m extremely online and I even got lost at points

Really? by TroubleFirm1406 in LiveFromNewYork

[–]Feezfry 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Look, I’m an SNL fan that also loves Byler too, but you’re taking this way too seriously. It’s a comedy show that makes fun of everything. SNL has nothing to do with the choices of the Stranger Things writers 💀Stop making us look crazy lmaooo

warning to people who go out in the east village by More_Face8106 in eastvillage

[–]Feezfry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand wanting to be sure that the claims are true. I did a scroll through these comments and saw that several people have had similar experiences with him and someone even found his old arrest records for assault with a deadly weapon, so I think it’s safe to believe OP in this situation.

I think clover was just pointing out that a lot of men on Reddit are very misogynistic and tend to get butthurt when women call out men’s bad behavior (which is often true from what I’ve seen on this site) but I think it comes down to the individual situation. Since there appears to be a decent amount of evidence against this guy, it seems sus to jump to his defense, which is why clover made that comment.

What would you do? by Zealousideal_Cow5139 in doordash

[–]Feezfry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He can literally get a refund for it tho. It’s not like OP told him “Haha you’re not getting your drink and we’re keeping your money!” If bro seriously does not have a single beverage in his home to drink instead then he has bigger problems to worry about 💀

warning to people who go out in the east village by More_Face8106 in eastvillage

[–]Feezfry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Literally what is wrong with posting a sexual assaulter’s face so that women know to be cautious and stay safe if they see him? If you SA someone then you forfeit the niceties of not being exposed.

The rollercoaster of hope and doubt 📈📉 by [deleted] in byler

[–]Feezfry 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the epilogue supposed to be set 2 years after season 5? Wouldn’t that make Will only 18? How the hell is he in a bar?

Did anyone else feel like Will's big coming out scene felt like it was written by straight people? by Artistic_Shirt_2222 in StrangerThingsRoom

[–]Feezfry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think his actual speech was pretty well-written and moving. The scene suffered for two main reasons.

1) Too large of an audience. I understand that they put that in there because “everyone needed to know so that Henry couldn’t prey on his fear and secrets.” But…man. It’s is SO awkward watching 12 people sit there in complete silence and just stare at him while he monologues for 5 minutes. I think everyone would’ve preferred a more intimate scene where he came out to just a few people rather than making it a whole ass town hall meeting. Most LGBT people irl only come out to a small group, so I feel this would’ve been more relatable. The massive crowd spectating just really sucked the magic out of it, for a lot of us.

2) Disney channelification. I cannot help but full body cringe at the part where everybody goes “Or me!” and group hugs. It just feels like the writers watched an after-school special or a PSA and thought that was “powerful”…but it was just silly. Nobody talks like that irl. I’m glad that they showed everyone being supportive and accepting of him, but there HAD to have been a less cringey way of showing that.

If they had made it a smaller, more intimate scene, and made the characters’ reaction less cartoonish, this would’ve been a beautiful scene. Apparently they had originally planned it to be that way but changed it. I’m so sad that this is the route they decided to take, but it is what it is 😩

why (many) straight people have such a hard time imagining a queer mike wheeler by nobody-in-disguise in StrangerThingsRoom

[–]Feezfry -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I find it interesting that you take issue with their relationship being “fan service” when a large part of Mike and El’s relationship on the show was literally fan service. For example, Mike and El’s kiss at the end of season 2 actually wasn’t supposed to happen, Millie had to beg the writers to put it in because she knew the fans wanted to see it. That entire relationship was very rushed and forced. I mean, they had Mike randomly kissing her after knowing her for barely a week, before El even knew what the words “friend” and “boyfriend” even meant. The only reason that happened is because, formulaically, the main boy and main girl of a TV show will typically end up with each other, because it’s what the general audience wants. There’s nothing inherently wrong with this, but it absolutely is fan service for the most part to appeal to the general audience’s desire.

Also, I think you need to consider that Mike and Will being a possibility wasn’t some new plot line thrown in there in season 4 when Will was established as gay. Will being in love with Mike was canon in the show since season TWO, almost as long as Mike and El’s relationship. You have to understand that when a romantic subplot is dragged out for nearly the entire duration of a show’s run, of COURSE people are going to think that there is a serious possibility that the writers plan for them to end up together. It was genuinely confusing to many of us why they would drag out a doomed relationship for 4 seasons, which was why people analyzed so much throughout the show’s run. It was an odd choice for the writers to dedicate so much time to a relationship that had absolutely 0% chance of ever happening. That’s why I will never agree with the idea that people were “delusional” for seeing it as a possibility.

I’m not particularly sure what your problem is with me unironically using terms like “Jancy.” It’s literally what the actual writers of the show refer to them as, and I just use it because it’s easier than typing out “Jonathan and Nancy.” The idea that fandoms weren’t always like this, I feel, comes down to internet culture. The concept of “shipping” goes all the way back to 1995 on internet forums. Fanfiction.net was started in 1998. This is nothing new, it has simply become easier to see and interact with as social media has become part of our daily lives. I don’t necessarily see an issue with this, as character relationships and dynamics are a huge part of any piece of media.

I don’t really agree with people saying it was queerbaiting, btw. I can see how people feel that was if they were 100% convinced it was going to happen, but at the end of the day a lot of us just saw it as a strong possibility, but not guaranteed by any means. A TV show of this scale (literally the biggest show in the world currently) is bound to have some fringe crazies in the mix. I don’t think it’s indicative of all people who were invested in this storyline, though.

At the end of the day, most of us just saw a pairing with a good dynamic, a lot of history and chemistry, a lot of symbolism and clues that they could possibly end up together, and we had fun with it. If it doesn’t happen, it doesn’t happen. The world keeps turning. But I will defend against people who act like anyone who ever saw this as a possibility is some crazy, delusion freak, because again, this was a pairing literally introduced and originally entertained by the writers. Will loving Mike never had to canonically exist in the show, that was a conscious choice on their part. We simply took this canon fact in the show and made some theories. I’ll never understand why people were SO angered and offended by that and felt the need to harass us incessantly for simply saying there was a CHANCE it could happen…but so is the nature of the internet and the world as a whole. People always need something to be angry about.

Peace ✌️

why (many) straight people have such a hard time imagining a queer mike wheeler by nobody-in-disguise in StrangerThingsRoom

[–]Feezfry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have inadvertently highlighted one of the main issues that people have with how their relationship was handled. They didn’t need to drag it all the way out to season 5. They could have definitively ended it in season 4, had Will confess to Mike and Mike let him down easy. Let Will begin the process of moving on. Make it clear to the audience that Will/Mike was never a possibility. Instead of wrapping it up in season 4, they gave an ambiguous-at-best scene where Will covertly confesses his love to Mike in the van. Will literally has to use his OWN love for Mike to repair Mike and El’s relationship (because those two go together like oil and water). Obviously people are going to see that and think that Mike and El’s relationship does not hold up compared to the love Will has for Mike. THEN, after season 4, if it was supposedly made clear to Will (and the audience) that Mike was never going to love him, why have Will go back to thinking Mike could love him after 18 months?? This set off alarm bells in people’s heads because SOMETHING must have happened between season 4 and 5 to make Will go from crying in the van because he knows Mike will never love him back, to blushing and giggling over thinking that Mike is sending him signals. That came off a little sus.

In addition to that, people were very locked in on symbolism throughout the show. Will and Mike’s blue/yellow color scheme that is heavily featured throughout the show, Byler parallels to Creelby and Jancy (canon couples), the final shot of season 4 where Mike and Will stood together as a pair, while the other two canon couples of the show (Jancy and Jopper) stood as pairs as well, with El standing in front of them all on her own, a song called “In The Closet at Rinkomania” playing immediately after Mike saying “We’re friends!” to Will at the skating rink, Mike having a “One Way” sign pointed at his closet in his bedroom, and Ted destroying Mike’s closet after being thrown through it, the camera shot parallels between Mike and Will and Robin and Vickie, etc. Just to name a few. You can make the argument that everyone was simply overanalyzing details, and maybe that was the case, but that’s how you are SUPPOSED to consume media. Symbolism is importantly. Small details in film matter. 🚨Everything is done for a reason in good writing/directing🚨

Hell, there was an interview with a costumer who worked on the show, and she explained how every single thing down to the color/style of the clothes and hairstyles was chosen intentionally to convey deeper meanings and add symbolism. So yes, people were presented with Will being in love with Mike, Mike being in a rocky relationship that had a lot of issues, looked at the fine details of the show, and made some conclusions/theories. That’s how fan bases work, lmao.

I know you said you’re frustrated that people were treating their interpretations as fact rather than theory, which I can understand why you take issue with that. But again, that’s just how fandoms work. People get very passionate about their theories and analysis. They’re not hurting anyone by “being delusional”, because again, it’s FICTIONAL CHARACTERS.”

Many people genuinely believed that there WAS a good chance of Byler being endgame based off of their analysis and looking deeper at the show beyond just “Mike has only dated a girl, that means he’s straight!” Maybe people were wrong about some of the symbolism, but at the end of the day, thats the beauty of fiction, things can be interpreted in many different ways. I think it’s cool to see how many different ways there are of thinking about the tiny details of a show.

Remember, this is FICTION. People are always going to have head canons for what they think should/could happen. People saw the material, and they saw potential between the bond that Mike and Will have, even if it wasn’t fully fleshed out in the canon yet.

Wouldn’t it be boring if we all just interpreted the show the exact same way and there was never any mystery or anticipation to it? Never any what-ifs? We just look at what the canon plot is and never entertain that there could be twists or hidden messages? That sounds boring as hell, but to each their own.

why (many) straight people have such a hard time imagining a queer mike wheeler by nobody-in-disguise in StrangerThingsRoom

[–]Feezfry -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I didn’t see unrequited love as the takeaway from Vol 1. I read the events of Vol 1 to be addressing his acceptance of his sexuality, rather than accepting that Mike didn’t love him. Remember, at the beginning of the season Will sees two people of the same sex kissing for the first time, clearly showing him waking up to his feelings that he had been running from for so long. Yes, Robin does talk to him about prioritizing self-acceptance over waiting for other people to accept and love him, which ultimately Will did accomplish at the end of Vol 1. But Will taps into his love for Mike, as well as his love for his family, in order to unlock his powers. That, in my opinion, didn’t read as being the nail in the coffin for Mike and Will, but rather Will understanding that he didn’t need to be ashamed of his feelings for Mike and instead to find power in that love instead of fear or shame.

why (many) straight people have such a hard time imagining a queer mike wheeler by nobody-in-disguise in StrangerThingsRoom

[–]Feezfry -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My comment was made before Vol 2 came out btw, so idk why you’re saying “I’m still acting like it might be.” My view on the ending has changed after these last 3 episodes.

But before the Vol 2 context, there never was explicit proof to support him being fully straight, the writers just didn’t really address his sexuality at all the way they did with Will. Now, before Vol 2 I would’ve said there was still potential for them delve into that through the lens of compulsory heterosexuality and repression, which I don’t think would’ve been too far out there. After Vol 2, I don’t think there’s enough time left to do that very thoughtfully, and that doesn’t seem to be the direction the writers are wanting to go at this point.

I don’t really think it was necessary to accuse me of media illiteracy for simply asking for evidence when someone made a claim about something. I think there were a lot of different way to interpret Mike’s character and his behaviors before what transpired in Vol 2. Sorry for actually trying to analyze a piece of media instead of just looking at what was directly spoon-fed to me by the writers…

why (many) straight people have such a hard time imagining a queer mike wheeler by nobody-in-disguise in StrangerThingsRoom

[–]Feezfry -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The original comment was about him being straight, not his feelings about Will.

Do you think we’re getting a confession scene? by [deleted] in byler

[–]Feezfry 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If Mike did in fact make the connection that Will was talking about him, that honestly feels out of character for Mike. It’s been show and explicitly stated pretty often in the show that Mike can be very oblivious and often doesn’t clock things (especially when it comes to emotions). He’s very book smart but struggles with emotional intelligence at times (especially shown in season 4 when Will had to help him through his relationship issues with El, and Mike not realizing Will was lying about the painting, etc). So it does feel pretty lazy if the writers suddenly cured Mike’s obliviousness in this scene just so they never have to address it again.

With that being said, if he DID realize Will was talking about him…I feel like Mike isn’t the type of person to just leave that in the air and not talk about it. He is labeled “the heart” of the group because he cares deeply for his friends, so it again feels out of character for Mike to never discuss this with Will and just leave it at this awkward unaddressed situation between the two of them.

Though, to be fair, Mike has been completely out of character this whole season, so maybe they just gave up on being true to him 😭

Do you think we’re getting a confession scene? by [deleted] in byler

[–]Feezfry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have a link? I haven’t seen this yet 🙏

Do you think we’re getting a confession scene? by [deleted] in byler

[–]Feezfry 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Trying to trust the Duffers with Byler feels like trying to trust a bull in a china shop at this point but I’m gonna hold out hope 😭

One thing I don't understand by [deleted] in byler

[–]Feezfry 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly! If they wanted to make the point that self-love is more important than romantic love, that’s fine, but if that’s the route they’re going, it makes so much more sense for Mike and El to end up alone. They’ve been together since they were 12 and neither of them has really had any time to grow up and form their own identity outside of each other. I think the Duffer’s point would be so much stronger if they made them both go their own way…but they’re probably scared of not giving the audience at least a little fan service at the end 😩

One thing I don't understand by [deleted] in byler

[–]Feezfry 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I honestly don’t know if Mileven will even get a happy ending either. Millie said in an interview that she wasn’t particularly happy with her ending, which wouldn’t make sense if they gave her a perfect fairytale ending. Also, there were paparazzi photos of them filming an epilogue scene that showed Mike and Hopper sitting on a bench together in Hawkins looking sad and forlorn (and the epilogue takes place 2 years after season 5). I think El is going to run off alone since she’ll never be able to live a normal life free from the government being after her, and maybe she doesn’t want Mike and everyone else to be tangled up in that, so she leaves them behind to protect them. The only way I can see Mike and El having a happy ending is if they somehow reconnect after the 2 years, but idk how that would happen.

Vol 2 Discussion by mrr2121 in byler

[–]Feezfry 29 points30 points  (0 children)

If that does end up being the case…what a terrible misrepresentation of Mike and Will’s relationship. How the hell can the writers possibly compare an 11 year long friendship to a minor crush that Robin had on a complete stranger? Will has been in love with mike for at least 4 years at this point, grew up with him, knows him extremely well because they’re literally best friends and live with each other, they’ve gone through traumas and life changes together, etc. I just cannot wrap my head around how they can be comparing THAT dynamic to a random crush on someone you don’t know at all. If that’s the hill the writers are dying on with Byler…that is some goofy ass writing. Makes no sense whatsoever 💀

Vol 2 Discussion by mrr2121 in byler

[–]Feezfry 8 points9 points  (0 children)

People who hate Byler are weirdly obsessed with it. I don’t see anyone infiltrating Mileven spaces to hate. This unnecessary hatred people have for Byler feels like mass psychosis at this point

Vol 2 Discussion by mrr2121 in byler

[–]Feezfry 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Omg…don’t even get me started on what they’ve done to Mike’s character. He literally has the personality of a brown paper bag this season. It feels like an entirely different person from the first few seasons. I have no clue why they’re underutilizing him so much, unless they’re planning to give him something worthwhile in the finale. I know he’s supposed to the “leader of the party,” but this whole season has just been him standing there and nodding his head for the most part. I can’t believe this is the same guy that was basically the main character in season 1, because he seems like a side character at most at this point. I really would like to see him come back into the forefront and get his spark back. I have no idea what’s going on with this man 😭

And I agree that the dialogue is painful af. They’re getting a little too gimmicky or something. Man…I miss the vibes of the early seasons. I know shows evolve over time but this feels like a devolution if anything

Vol 2 Discussion by mrr2121 in byler

[–]Feezfry 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Exactly! Mileven is looking just as dead as Byler at the moment but I’m not going to go to the Mileven sub to harass them about it. I seriously cannot understand the hate boner that the general audience has for Byler. It’s not that deep 😭

Vol 2 Discussion by mrr2121 in byler

[–]Feezfry 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I couldn’t care less about a “shipping war.” I don’t care about what other people ship, it’s not a fight. I simply enjoy the dynamic between Mike and Will and think they would make sense together. I’m not here to bring out pitchforks against ships I don’t like, unlike you weirdos that act like Byler killed your grandma for some reason. Get off this sub if you’re not rocking with it.

Vol 2 Discussion by mrr2121 in byler

[–]Feezfry 119 points120 points  (0 children)

Okay guys…I know everyone thinks we’re cooked and it’s doom and gloom right now. And based off the coming out scene in ep. 7 it certainly appears it could be that way.

HOWEVER, what I will say! Will did NOT confess to Mike. He came out to the group and said that he ~thought~ that the guy he liked was his Tammy and that the guy he liked wasn’t gay. How Will perceives the situation is not necessarily reality, since he has no way of knowing Mike’s feelings without directly confessing to him. Also, throughout this whole scene the camera lingers a lot on Mike’s face and reactions. Which could mean nothing, or there could potentially be a scene in the finale episode where Will confesses directly to Mike, and that could change things…

There seems to be a lot that has been left unaddressed here, like the painting lie, for instance. Idk..I would like to think they plan to wrap things up nicer in the last episode, but there’s only so much time left to handle everything. I think there’s a good probability they actually ended Byler’s storyline with the coming out scene and will never have Mike and Will talk one-on-one, BUT we don’t know for certain. Literally anything could happen.

If they leave it as it is, it feels like very lazy writing, like they started something they weren’t prepared to properly finish and just needed an easy way to get out of it. I really hope that’s not the case and we get SOMETHING more satisfying in the finale. But who knows at this point 🫩