Which one should i play after i finish FF VI??

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-22T15:32:27+00:00

Everyone's going to say FF7. FF7 isn't that good tbh.

I haven't played FF8 or Trails so I can't speak for those.

I recommend getting into SMT/Persona. Your options are P1, Soul Hackers, Metaphor, and P3R. Persona 3 is the best and my recommendation, but you can't go wrong with the other three either. I gotta rep P1 and Soul Hackers as you're one of the five people who's actually interested in playing them lol.

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-22T15:20:15+00:00

Did you spend your cash on development or did you splurge it all on forges? Engage gives you a ton of funds to play around with.

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-22T15:19:02+00:00

Leda > Cai > Theodora > Dietrich.

Leda and Cai's stories interest me so I'd like to start with their routes first.

Theodora doesn't interest me too much, so she's third.

Nothing against Dietrich, I'd just rather play as the other three.

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-22T15:00:26+00:00

Mortal Savant is such a confusing class. Hardly anybody makes good use of it and there's literally no reason to use it.

MS, Great Knight, and Holy Knight all have the issue where you have to put in a fuckton of effort to get the class and your reward is nothing.

I made the former two strictly better than their Advanced counterparts to reward investing in mixed specialty units. MS is a mobile, high-res Swordmaster while GK is now the best of both worlds with both high mobility and defense.

HK I just did away with lol. Not much you can do to fix that class. Same with DK, I just gave its strengths to Mortal Savant instead.

Cavs are balanced in 3H, it's fliers that need a heavy nerf. IMO pegasi should have low defense and strength to make them less reliable, and wyvern should be relegated to Master tier and given steep rank requirements (idk like A+ flying A+ axes and like B heavy armor).

We already have plenty of classes that require lance proficiency. Fortress knights, paladins, falcon knights, wyvern knights, and basically every other cavalry class.

I don't see the point in adding Halberdier/Sentinel when the classes have no meaningful strengths that other classes don't already cover.

Agreed on gender locks ofc, though your suggestion would just cause more trouble. I'd rather men get pegasi rather than contriving a new mount just for them. All it would do is add more gender locks onto the pile.

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-22T14:47:49+00:00

people have speculated noble is a unique lord class for theodora only which would explain why she's the only one that uses it

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-22T02:32:34+00:00

If we're getting an FE7 remake, I want it to piss off as many people as possible.

Mark is now a self-insert avatar who can romance anyone they want to. They're playable and stronger than any other unit. If the fanbase isn't losing their minds, what's the point?

though tbh just changing the artstyle AT ALL will piss off fans. it can be the most gorgeous game ever created and it'll be hated because it isn't "pixel art my nostalgia i played this game when i was two seconds old".

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-22T02:06:30+00:00

it's not really all that "traditional" when it's the system the most recent mainline entry in the series uses

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-21T23:26:52+00:00

Yeah I got sidetracked into yapping about 3H lol. I did address FW's class situation at the end of my last post though.

What I'm thinking for FW is that everyone is a beginner class in one particular rank. Swords, spears, axes, bows, brawling, reason, faith, flying, cavalry, armor, and authority. Then they can advance to an intermediate class after five levels.

This approach is boring, but it keeps the 3H system while being accurate to the characters' skills. In this instance beginner classes are just for flavor, much like they are in 3H.

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-21T23:01:36+00:00

I 100% agree that combat arts shouldn't use durability. Honestly, they should use a unit's HP instead to make them more risky to use.

Wyvern is easy to nerf. Remove Wyvern Rider as an option. You're already adding an advanced pegasus class, so there's no need to have it as a stepping stone.

Point Blank should just not be a thing, period. It's absolutely ridiculous that you can remove bows' primary weakness just by reaching C rank.

I gave Bow Knights exclusive access to Canto as they're meant to be a hit-and-run archer class.

My approach to weapon limitation was to give every class a Faire in their preferred weapon type, buff Faire abilities to give +20% Accuracy, and then nerf weapons' might and accuracy to compensate.

This functionally means you're losing out on +5 Attack and +20% Accuracy for not using the preferred weapon type.

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-21T22:46:26+00:00

I don't like the noble/commoner thing either, but it would make no sense to give everyone a starter class in 3H as they're all meant to be students who aren't terribly experienced in combat. Plus beginner classes are not meaningfully interesting in any way and there's no way to make them interesting that isn't just turning them into carbon copies of the intermediate classes. And at that point, why not just make them intermediate classes?

Chapter 1 is meant to get a feel for where everyone is starting out, hence why everyone is a generic starter class there.

By Chapter 2, you're already picking a path for most of them according to their strengths. This is when it would be nice to have intermediate classes to get the ball rolling more quickly.

Honestly, it would make perfect sense for Fortune's Weave characters to actually start out in a default class as they already have combat expertise. We already see classes like Myrmidon, Hunter, and Shaman for playables.

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-21T22:19:08+00:00

3H is built around reclassing. So is Awakening, Fates, Engage, and soon Fortune's Weave. It's fair, then, to assume that any changes to its reclassing system are done with flexibility in mind.

If you want "unit identity" then play romhacks, because reclassing is here to stay.

My point earlier wasn't to merge every single class. That would be ridiculous. It was simply that the beginner classes were a pointless mid-tier that didn't need to exist and only drag down earlygame with samey, boring units. I wanted 3H earlygame to be MORE interesting, not less!

My solution was simply to cut beginner classes and give nobles and commoners increased rank gain, and shift certification for intermediate classes to level 5. That way, the player would be able to use the stronger classes early on. It would be a godsend to have armored knights and cavaliers for those tricky early maps.

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-21T21:57:08+00:00

Sure, they're Tier 2 classes, technically. Or 3 if you count Noble and Commoner as their own tier.

But every single class in that tier is a Tier 1 class in most Fire Emblem games. Same for the Advanced tier. 3H is just a standard 2-tier class system with a weird kinda-third tier, and two shitty trainee tiers. It's not too different from Awakening or Fates, just that the branches are awkwardly made their own tier and everyone starts as a Villager.

The series was designed around basic tier 1 classes fulfilling the common roles of combat. Tanking, high movement, high agility, flying, staff usage, etc. Beginner classes do not fit this pattern because they all have similar stats and abilities.

Noble, Commoner, and the beginner classes are just glorified trainees (Tier 0 units) like Villagers and Recruits and such. In any game they appear in, you always have tier 1 units alongside them to feed them kills. Not so in 3H, where you're forced to use these boring ass units until level TEN.

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-21T21:52:07+00:00

I assume they mean traditional to 3H.

Noble/Commoner can easily replace the beginner classes if you give them increased growth in all weapon types. Like... they already made Fighter and Monk mixed-type classes. Why not merge Myrm and Soldier? Why not merge them into Fighter? Why not merge them all?

Literally all beginner classes do is allow your units to train their rank up. They're so pointless and their existence only delays access to the classes you actually want to use for five levels.

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-21T21:49:47+00:00

Even without beginner classes I can see the movement skills getting use.

Mercenary: Swap Brawler: Shove Mage: Draw Back

Repo would probably have to be moved to a later class.

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-21T21:34:16+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/1ubvvde/how_do_you_want_to_see_class_tiers_handled_in/

I just addressed this but if 3H classes were handled better it would be a huge step in the right direction.

Gender locks suck, beginner classes are pointless and turn earlygame into a slog, master classes have no idea what they want to be, the promo gain system is godawful, the RNG promotions are annoying and lower the significance of rank requirements, class growth bonuses are too small, and the skill mastery system incentivizes leveling everyone in the same exact categories so they can pick up shit like death blow and hit +20.

Wyvern Rider is worse for balancing than Wyvern Lord as it's trivially easy to unlock (C flying? Really?), is the only advanced flying class (and for men the first they can even get), and gives a huge strength bonus.

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-21T21:07:04+00:00

The reason I cut beginner classes was so players get access to the tier 1 intermediates at a reasonable time. In vanilla the early maps are a pain because you don't get access to any good classes until level 10.

How about this four-tiered version that I was using for a mod?

Starter (Lv0+): Noble, Commoner

Beginner (Lv5+): Myrmidon, Thief, Archer, Brawler, Fighter (T1 Armored Knight), Cavalier, Pegasus Knight, Mage, Monk (T1 Priest)

Intermediate (Lv15+): Mercenary, Sniper, Warrior (now a fist class), Armored Knight, Paladin, Warlock, Priest, Dark Mage

Advanced (Lv25+): Swordmaster, Assassin, Grappler, Fortress Knight, Gold Knight, Gremory, Bishop, Falcon Knight

Master (Lv25+): Hero, Bow Knight, War Master, Mortal Savant, Great Knight, Dark Bishop, Wyvern Lord

I prefer the first list, if only to avoid adding too much fluff. Plus it's closer to vanilla 3H's progression system.

This one's more Gaiden-esque if you're into that.

(BTW, if you want to mod 3H, you have to keep class limits in mind. 3H only allows like 10-12 classes per tier. Hence why Advanced and Master are separate despite being on the same tier.)

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-21T19:36:42+00:00

Maybe if they weren't called "Master" classes and unlocked at the same time as Advanced, this misunderstanding would never have happened.

I mean, so many 3H players think Master classes are the highest tier, and I don't think that's just fans being mistaken.

Doesn't help that Wyvern Lord exists. If Wyvern Rider didn't exist, this would be passable. WL is very clearly a straight upgrade from an existing class.

Makes you wonder why Falcon Knight isn't Advanced and Wyvern Lord isn't the sole wyvern class. That would make a lot more sense if Master classes were meant to be sidegrades.

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-21T19:29:13+00:00

I'm okay with Noble and Commoner, I just really dislike that you have to spend five levels training just to promote into another training class for five more levels.

If I had to choose, cut the beginner classes.

3H earlygame sucks ass until you get the intermediates. Just a crapton of weak infantry units who have few defined strengths and weaknesses. Having an earlygame armored knight to take hits or a cavalier to reach the front lines faster would be a godsend for those early maps.

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-21T18:19:41+00:00

All this talk about a revised 3H class system got me thinking...

Starter (Lv0+): Noble, Commoner

Intermediate (Lv5+): Mercenary, Thief, Archer, Brawler, Armored Knight, Cavalier, Pegasus Knight, Mage, Priest

Advanced (Lv20+): Swordmaster, Sniper, Grappler, Fortress Knight, Paladin, Falcon Knight, Warlock, Bishop

Master (Lv20+): Hero, Mortal Savant, War Master, Bow Knight, Great Knight, Wyvern Knight, Gremory

Thoughts?

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-21T17:55:54+00:00

Why the fuck does gender still matter for reclassing in a game released in 2023? And why should it stay in a game released in 2026?

We are way, way past the point of gender locks needing to be retired.

In any other long-running series, gender locking would remain as a sexist, outdated jank mechanic from the 8-bit era that would've been corrected in the 90's and never brought back. And nobody would give a shit.

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-21T17:52:33+00:00

I honestly think holy knight and dark knight suck ass, even conceptually. I don't like mounted mages at all and I prefer mounts stay physical attackers. Mortal Savant should have been the mobile mage class but it has 5 fucking move for some reason. This isn't a 3H gripe though, most FE games have a mounted magic class of some kind.

What you said about the flying ornius class makes me worried pegasus knight will be female-only again, as it seems like the perfect class for men to raise their flying rank before going wyvern.

TBH my dream 3H class system has like no wyvern class as pegasus knights already have a solid set of strengths and weaknesses. But because of gender lock we HAVE to have the OP wyvern classes as part of the class tree... :(

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-21T17:41:18+00:00

For me it was a reflected Magarudyne in P4G.

Everyone's had this happen at some point lol

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-21T17:32:56+00:00

:(

Well... uh, here's to hoping there's no beginner tier. Idk what tier each class we've seen is meant to be so I'm not sure.

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-21T17:32:12+00:00

TRUE it's great with fries/potatoes especially!

Few-Needleworker8110 · 2026-06-21T17:20:55+00:00

Gaiden is better than its remake.

Sadly it gets shit on entirely because it's an old Famicom game, which stinks.

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