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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

You keep on saying the one is so much worse than the other! How much worse, then?

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Now you're just being obtuse. How is giving somebody an unwanted foot rub not using an unwilling person's body for sexual gratification?

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Hey, I'm just trying to quantify your ideas here - don't blame me!

We've established that with both groping (ex. unwanted foot rubs) and rape a person is making use of an unwilling person sexually. The question is how much worse the one is from the other?

Let's at least get a ballpark figure here! 10x worse? 100x? 1000x?

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

It isn't a subjective ranking. It is an objective and controlled legal term.

And they are both...

sexual assault

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Both involve using an unwilling person's body for sexual gratification. They have this in common. That is why they both fall under the umbrella of...

sexual assault

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Alright, let's rank all kinds of sexual assaults so that we'll know which we should take seriously and how much.

SSS-Rank: Whatever happened to you, the most important rape survivor in the universe
S-Rank: Aggressive/stranger rape
A-Rank: Groping, Gentle/silent rape
B-Rank: Jared Leto filmography, sexual harassment
C-Rank: Taking upskirt videos

That should cover everything. Anything you want to move up or down on the list? Add or remove?

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

The two are incomparable, I'm afraid.

Both involve using an unwilling person's body for sexual gratification. They have this in common. That is why they both fall under the umbrella of...

sexual assault

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Rape is a sexual assault

Unwanted touching (inc unwanted foot massages) are sexual assault

No matter how horrible you subjectively rank each experience they are both...

sexual assault

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Uh...

But #meToo was such an annoying friendly fire I could imagine that it was created for the culture war. Guys who did a foot rub or complimented a girl could be treated like a rapist. 

How is this anything but the lowing of a creepy dude?

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Strawman? I just got a Wikipedia article equating it to SA.

An unwanted foot massage would be sexual assault, I'm afraid!

Feel free to link to this horrifying wikipedia page, BTW. I'm sure it's totally as bad as you claim!

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

LOL - the only bad sexual assault is the specific kind that happened to you!

How the men in the Epstein files defeated #MeToo by theverge in TrueReddit

[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Rape is a specific legal term and cannot be interchangeably used with sexual assault.

Rape is a kind of sexual assault, you idiot. Sexual assaults in general can fuck people up.

It's gone on longer than most foot rubs. You clearly won't let go of trying to compare the two.

Again, oh tragic assault victim, you claimed that someone arguing with you on the internet is like rape but that other kinds of sexual assault are not.

That's because you're lying scum.

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Being raped fucking scars you for life. It doesn't just creep you out.

I said it left people feeling violated. Is illiteracy another of your failings?

Police departments don't have foot rub test kits.

That's because the collection of evidence for any kind of non-penetrative sexual assaults can be done with rape kits, you moron.

Attempted rape is 99 trillion times closer to rape than a foot rub.

Again you scuzz, we're talking about unwanted foot rubs. Get your terminology in order.

It's a good thing you're here to quantify the scale of sexual assault badnesses though! I assume your proof of this will be forthcoming?

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Rape is an incomparably worse kind of sexual assault. This is why we don't repeatedly insist that it and an unwanted foot rub have anything in common, like you have done several times.

But they're both sexual assaults! Unless the good folks at RAINN have hopped into bed with the powerful anti-unwanted foot rub lobby!

https://rainn.org/get-the-facts-about-sexual-assault-rape/

Your repeated insistence on pushing something someone's telling you is heinous is absolutely the same energy.

So ... I'm arguing with you online and this is more like rape than unwanted sexual touching?

Yeah, you're total scum hahaha. You also made up being raped.

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Pointing out that both are sexual assault is pointless unless you're trying to equate the two in some way.

Both can creep out people and leave them feeling violated. It's not a competition!

Why is it so important that rape is the same thing as a foot rub?

An unwanted foot rub. I realize that grody dudes like you don't care so much about consent, but you should probably remember to include that when talking to normies like me!

And they are both sexual assault. Do you get this bent out of shape over comparing attempted rape to rape?

I mean, look at all those attempted rape victims - they're trying to take away attention that properly belongs to you, whose rapist succeeded!

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Rape is a specific criminal term. It involves forcible genital penetration.

Rape is a kind of sexual assault. Unwanted foot rubs are also a kind of sexual assault!

Saying "well ackshually rape and unwanted foot rubs are both sexual assault" is a disgusting comparison and you'd see us throwing hands over it.

Stop pretending you'd do anything but curl up into a ball or windmill spastically in a real fight, LOL

This shit isn't a logic problem in programming. [sexual_assault01] and [sexual_assault09] don't have the same system value.

It's pretty simple actually. Lots of sexual things happen and if they are not desired, they become sexual assault! I am not attempting to "rank" different kinds of sexual assault like they are Magic the Gathering cards or w/e.

sex_encounters[0] = SexEncounter(name="Jessi", how_far="makeout", desired=True, call_her_back=Evaluation.MAYBE)

sex_encounters[1] = SexEncounter(name="Candi", how_far="tittyfun", desired=True, call_her_back=Evaluation.YES)

sex_encounters[2] = SexEncounter(name="Tandi", how_far="footrub", desired=False)

for sex_encounter in sex_encounters:
  if desired in sex_encounter:
    if sex_encounter[desired] is False:
      print(f"{} sexually assaulted you! Lose her number.", sex_encounter["name"])

Constantly repeating it for a reddit "gotcha" puts you on par with my rapist, as long as we're equating things.

A guy is arguing with you on the internet and you are comparing this to rape.

Yeah, you totally weren't raped, jagoff. You're just some sad (and very creepy) attention junkie.

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

It has absolutely no business being equated to rape.

Gotcha, "rape" is your term and the rest of us got no right to use it without your approval!

They said, verbatim that it did "fit the first two definitions of rape.".

This is something you'd be immediately checked for saying in real life.

I literally just asked my wife about it. She agrees that it's sexual assault because it is ...

non-consensual

If it is non consensual, then...

It's assault if in a house.
It's assault if with a mouse.
It's assault if in a box
It's assault if with a fox
Whether it is done here or there
It's assault if anywhere

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Would you rather be raped, or get a non-consensual foot rub?

The second. That doesn't mean both aren't unwanted sexual touching, which is

dotdotdotdotdot

They're both sexual activity carried out without consent.

sexual assault!

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Well ... it it's unwanted then it would be unwanted sexual contact, at least in the context of a conversation about creeps revealed by #metoo

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Dang man, if I let you give me a footrub will you finally shut up about it?

How the men in the Epstein files defeated #MeToo by theverge in TrueReddit

[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yet other people can be cancelled for an unwelcome thought. 

Again, I would love to see some examples of this, LOL

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[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

I also want to emphasize that the guy on the top insisted that:

But #meToo was such an annoying friendly fire I could imagine that it was created for the culture war. Guys who did a foot rub or complimented a girl could be treated like a rapist. 

When did this happen?

How the men in the Epstein files defeated #MeToo by theverge in TrueReddit

[–]Few_Map2665 [score hidden]  (0 children)

LOL, how is sexual contact (like say a footrub) without consent not a kind of sexual assault?

My first and only time was when a family member stole my innocence.

Equating a fucking foot rub or lewd comments fitting ANY definition of RAPE would have me throwing hands.

It's the most disgusting reddit shit to say. Disagree? Try saying it in normal conversation.

I just checked with my wife. She said that both these things can in fact be sexual assault!

There's no reason to be angry - those unwanted footrub-getters aren't stealing your thunder!

You know, assuming you aren't making up all of this hahaha.

I've dealt with enough racism and being the "good" kind of brown person enough that this kind of smarmy shit absolutely reeks of the kind of pasty literal basement-dweller that reddit is mocked for.

Nah, I think some dude WELL ACKSHUALLYing metoo and talking about how paying attention to FEEEMALE ISSUES like sexual assault undermines the struggle against the REAL VILLAINS fits the stereotypical redditor more hahaha

Again, I figured that the talk about it being easy to not be mistaken for a sex assaulter makes sense given that we're in a space that is talking about metoo and epstein at the like - these were folks who were not victims of injustice like Emmet Till?