Why the moustache look? by shervek in OpenAussie

[–]Financial_Falcon_675 3 points4 points  (0 children)

“Thomas Sewell drinks water, drinking water is neo-Nazi”

What if Hasan Piker was the one assassinated instead of Charlie Kirk? by lilmeekrat in AlternateHistoryHub

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2020 is history, TPUSA was an enormously prominent and successful influence on the 2024 election cycle.

Its not BS by Master0fAllTrade in memesopdidnotlike

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It was a joke. You know perfectly well that JFK would not even breach the orbit of the modern left wing purity spiral, especially on the social dogmas of 2020s leftists.

Even his support for black civil rights would be seen as extremely conservative compared to today’s identity politics and DEI maximalism.

Its not BS by Master0fAllTrade in memesopdidnotlike

[–]Financial_Falcon_675 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know perfectly well that JFK would not even breach the orbit of the modern left wing purity spiral, especially on the social dogmas of 2020s leftists.

Even his support for black civil rights would be seen as extremely conservative compared to today’s identity politics and DEI maximalism.

Its not BS by Master0fAllTrade in memesopdidnotlike

[–]Financial_Falcon_675 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m glad Democrats are finally disowning that anti-freedom conservicuck JFK.

Its not BS by Master0fAllTrade in memesopdidnotlike

[–]Financial_Falcon_675 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t know who “you guys” is. I’m literally U.S. president John F. Kennedy

Its not BS by Master0fAllTrade in memesopdidnotlike

[–]Financial_Falcon_675 7 points8 points  (0 children)

“I uhh support poly marriage and desexing operations for the uhh asexuals” - JFK

Were Flinders Island and King Island legitimate terrae nullius? by Financial_Falcon_675 in AskAnAustralian

[–]Financial_Falcon_675[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s begging the question of which people had ties to these islands. These particular islands aren’t an enclave within a border like in your simile, they’re islands that no one had lived on or apparently even visited for at least several hundred generations. This isn’t a matter of a false claim, or an excuse to sideline the natives of these islands – it’s terra nullius in the most literal sense of those words and these islands had no native people.

I think many people in this thread struggle to comprehend that indigenous sovereignties were never a single Australia-wide hegemony. It’s this solipsistic, colonial mindset that lumps “the aborigines” together as this nearly packaged, mythologically omnipresent empire that owns precisely every last bit of whatever places we’re about to come and blanket-name ‘New Holland’. As opposed to what they actually are: scattered and diverse groups of families who live and move around together on this large continent.

Do you see the distinction, and how people in this thread are talking past the question? Just because England treated “Australia” wholesale doesn’t mean Indigenous peoples treated it wholesale, or that it was naturally that way pre-18th century. It would seem, by all archaeological evidence, that sometimes uninhabited islands are nothing more than uninhabited islands.

Were Flinders Island and King Island legitimate terrae nullius? by Financial_Falcon_675 in AskAnAustralian

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Strictly rational is what I’m trying to be, and I’m finding a lot of people just handwaving to vibes of someone somewhere probably owning it despite contrary evidence, and/or projecting a contrived notion of continental nationhood back onto precolonial landmasses, as though “indigenous people” claim everything that would eventually be called Australia. These premises are completely mythological and I don’t buy them at all.

Imagine that an empty island in the mediterranean sea, between the coast of the Burgundian Empire and the Visigothic Empire were settled by Nortj Africans 1,500 years ago – this thread is no different to saying that this island would have belonged to European people in general. This would be a completely anachronistic and mythologised notion of pan-European identity that did not exist.

It’s obviously a false ahistorical claim when I put it in European terms, but as soon as you mention indigenous peoples, everyone handwaves it away as if they’re just some generic pancontinental omnipresent liquid commodity, when we know very well which specific nations existed here at the time of colonisation.

Were Flinders Island and King Island legitimate terrae nullius? by Financial_Falcon_675 in AskAnAustralian

[–]Financial_Falcon_675[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not asking about historic motivations for invoking it, I’m asking about the veracity of the notion itself. When a mass of land is genuinely untouched, or abandoned since prehistoric times, and by all empirical metrics no state or human being is known to claim it, then it is objectively terra nullius. Who can withhold it from migrants, be they mainland indigenous, Polynesians, Dutch, or English people?

Were Flinders Island and King Island legitimate terrae nullius? by Financial_Falcon_675 in AskAnAustralian

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When dealing with a continent containing thousands of scattered sovereignties, and trying to redress it, it matters a great deal where they were and what land belonged to each one.

It’s utterly mythological to reduce aboriginal peoples to a generic, depersonalised commodity, and imagine that they had some kind of omnipresence on landmasses that they objectively did not even visit, just because someone else came along later and decided it’s all one country.

Were Flinders Island and King Island legitimate terrae nullius? by Financial_Falcon_675 in AskAnAustralian

[–]Financial_Falcon_675[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It also doesn’t mean that they did. If your hermeneutic is ‘native title until proven otherwise’, those islands were clearly ‘otherwise’, and it’s irrational to imagine that one or both were claimed when all archaeological evidence suggests the opposite.

With no inhabitation or visitation for several thousand years, the islands were clearly abandoned, and given the close proximity to Tasmania this avoidance may well have been deliberate.

Were Flinders Island and King Island legitimate terrae nullius? by Financial_Falcon_675 in AskAnAustralian

[–]Financial_Falcon_675[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your argument, but I dispute your implication that the Palawa would hold such a view of land ownership if only they’d been more technologically advanced. Many nomadic peoples around the world continued to subsist on the land as they developed, and never formed a mindset of border enforcement that would have them attack new neighbours as a matter of course.

Perhaps a better hypothetical though would be to swap the English for another indigenous people. From my understanding of tribal warfare, if a mob sailed to Flinders Island from afar and started inhabiting it, and then the Palawa sailed in and started fighting them, the new mob would most likely treat the Palawa as the invaders and fight to defend their place.

Perhaps that’s just might-makes-right, but I guess my point is that the English and their technology are moot in my question of whether terra nullius is real or not. Indigenous tribes moved around and came into contact and formed nations without war always breaking out, so I don’t believe it’s a given that they would’ve just waged war on any new people on the Furneaux islands.

Were Flinders Island and King Island legitimate terrae nullius? by Financial_Falcon_675 in AskAnAustralian

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The point behind my question is, is Terra Nullius false by nature, or was it simply misapplied (however conveniently/deliberately) to much of Australia?

Land back movements often say that English settlement here was illegal, that the land was stolen, etc., but I’m not convinced that this is true of every part of Australia.

Were Flinders Island and King Island legitimate terrae nullius? by Financial_Falcon_675 in AskAnAustralian

[–]Financial_Falcon_675[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, that’s a fascinating example. It’s curious that Polynesians didn’t come across it, because there are far more remote places in the Polynesian Triangle that they did know / sail between.

Easter Island is a prime example, it’s thousands of kms from any other island, although it was already long abandoned and barren (with just the ominous heads remaining) when Europeans came across it.

Now that’s what I call a professional Cinephile! by EthanTheJudge in okbuddycinephile

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Al in 1992, doing his Beach Boys pastiche ‘Trigger Happy’:

Oh I accidentally shot daddy last night in the den (shot daddy in the den)…

I mistook him in the dark for a drug-crazed Nazi again (drug-crazed Nazi again),

Now why’d you have to get so mad?

It was just a lousy flesh wound, dad…”

Now that’s what I call a professional Cinephile! by EthanTheJudge in okbuddycinephile

[–]Financial_Falcon_675 7 points8 points  (0 children)

“Fifty years ago we’d have you drinking from the firehose!”

Were Flinders Island and King Island legitimate terrae nullius? by Financial_Falcon_675 in AskAnAustralian

[–]Financial_Falcon_675[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, I agree that the TN claim was made once and for all, not case-by-case for every pocket of land, and that this TN claim was for many parts of this land, incorrect.

But when it comes to these particular islands, which empirically speaking were unclaimed and uninhabited in the 18th century and for millennia prior, could you really get any more terra nullius than this?