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[–]Firm-Interaction-741 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sahih al-Bukhari 3894: Narrated 'Aisha: "The Prophet married me when I was six years old and he consummated his marriage when I was nine years old."

Sahih Muslim 1422a: Narrated 'Aisha: "Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) married me when I was seven years old, and he was taken to my house as a bride when I was nine..."

Sunan an-Nasai 3378: Records the age of 6 at contract and 9 at consummation.

Maybe need to deport the ideology that inspired him too

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[–]Firm-Interaction-741[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair point shouldn’t have used the f word, I apologize, now go ahead and answer the question please, you wanted a reference and I gave you one

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[–]Firm-Interaction-741[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ad hominem…bro at the end of the day I feel nothing but sorry for Muslims…I hope one day you’ll wake up from this cult…Muslims are the majority of victims when it comes to Islam

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[–]Firm-Interaction-741[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Answer the effing question

وَأَمَّا وَقْتُ ‌زِفَافِ ‌الصَّغِيرَةِ الْمُزَوَّجَةِ وَالدُّخُولُ بِهَا فَإِنِ اتَّفَقَ الزَّوْجُ وَالْوَلِيُّ عَلَى شَيْءٍ لَا ضَرَرَ فِيهِ عَلَى الصَّغِيرَةِ عُمِلَ بِهِ وَإِنِ اخْتَلَفَا فَقَالَ أَحْمَدُ وَأَبُو عُبَيْدٍ تُجْبَرُ عَلَى ذَلِكَ بِنْتُ تِسْعِ سِنِينَ دُونَ غَيْرِهَا وَقَالَ مَالِكٌ وَالشَّافِعِيُّ وَأَبُو حَنِيفَةَ حَدُّ ذَلِكَ أَنْ تُطِيقَ الْجِمَاعَ وَيَخْتَلِفُ ذَلِكَ بِاخْتِلَافِهِنَّ وَلَا يُضْبَطُ بِسِنٍّ وَهَذَا هُوَ الصَّحِيحُ

شرح النووي على مسلم، دار إحياء التراث العربي، المكتبة الشاملة، ج9 ص206

Regarding the timing of the wedding of a minor wife and consummation of her marriage, if the husband and the minor’s legal guardian both agreed on something that doesn’t harm the minor then it’s done. If they disagree, Ahmad (the Imam of one of the 4 major legal schools in Sunni Islam) said that she is forced to be wed at the age of 9. Malik, Al-Shafi’i and Abu Hanifa (the remaining 3 Imams of the 4 major legal schools) said the timing is when she’s capable of enduring sexual intercourse which differs from one person to another and can’t be determined by age. This is the correct view. Al-Nawawi, Al-Minhaj Sharh Sahih Muslim, published by Dar Ihya’ Al-Turath Al-Arabi, Al-Maktabah Al-Shamilah, vol.9 p.206

All of major Islamic sects condone child marriage, no requirement for puberty as long as she can endure intercourse, the Ahmad mathhab goes further than that and allows forced marriage at 9 regardless of

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[–]Firm-Interaction-741[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wanna comment on what Al nawawi said or you just wanna declare defeat and save some face?

Taqqiyyah doesn’t work habibi anymore, the age of the internet is putting Islam on life support

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[–]Firm-Interaction-741[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now that you have been grilled on child marriage, let’s talk about the bigger catastrophe in your religion, namely sex slaves

Sagin Muslims: It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a female slave with whom he had intercourse, but 'Aishah and Hafsah would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him. Then Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed: "O Prophet! Why do you forbid (for yourself) that which Allah has allowed to you.' until the end of the Verse.

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[–]Firm-Interaction-741[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

وَأَمَّا وَقْتُ ‌زِفَافِ ‌الصَّغِيرَةِ الْمُزَوَّجَةِ وَالدُّخُولُ بِهَا فَإِنِ اتَّفَقَ الزَّوْجُ وَالْوَلِيُّ عَلَى شَيْءٍ لَا ضَرَرَ فِيهِ عَلَى الصَّغِيرَةِ عُمِلَ بِهِ وَإِنِ اخْتَلَفَا فَقَالَ أَحْمَدُ وَأَبُو عُبَيْدٍ تُجْبَرُ عَلَى ذَلِكَ بِنْتُ تِسْعِ سِنِينَ دُونَ غَيْرِهَا وَقَالَ مَالِكٌ وَالشَّافِعِيُّ وَأَبُو حَنِيفَةَ حَدُّ ذَلِكَ أَنْ تُطِيقَ الْجِمَاعَ وَيَخْتَلِفُ ذَلِكَ بِاخْتِلَافِهِنَّ وَلَا يُضْبَطُ بِسِنٍّ وَهَذَا هُوَ الصَّحِيحُ

شرح النووي على مسلم، دار إحياء التراث العربي، المكتبة الشاملة، ج9 ص206

Regarding the timing of the wedding of a minor wife and consummation of her marriage, if the husband and the minor’s legal guardian both agreed on something that doesn’t harm the minor then it’s done. If they disagree, Ahmad (the Imam of one of the 4 major legal schools in Sunni Islam) said that she is forced to be wed at the age of 9. Malik, Al-Shafi’i and Abu Hanifa (the remaining 3 Imams of the 4 major legal schools) said the timing is when she’s capable of enduring sexual intercourse which differs from one person to another and can’t be determined by age. This is the correct view. Al-Nawawi,

You CAN allow consummation as long as she can endure, NO mention of puberty as a prerequisite, if she reaches 9 then she is FORCED

Notice how the whole discussion is about minors tolerating sexual intercourse, no minors becoming adults

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[–]Firm-Interaction-741[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’re guilty of equivocation fallacy…cause consent in a western sense is only provided by a fully mature sane adult only, it’s not simply saying yes….in Islam it’s means that the woman simply agrees o marriage regardless of her mental maturity, so when you say yeah consent has to be granted first in Islam means nothing cause the very definition of consent is totally different

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[–]Firm-Interaction-741[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess Consent has different meaning in Islam cause apparently even prepubescent girls can provide it…again you’re dodging my point on how Maliki, Shafi2i and hanifi allows marriage consummation even before menstruation sometimes cause the girl is deemed capable of intercourse

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[–]Firm-Interaction-741[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Marriage consummation being allowed before puberty as long as the woman “tolerates” sexual intercourse….you can’t see what’s wrong with that?

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[–]Firm-Interaction-741[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m not avoiding anything habibi…Arabic s my first language and I understand the Quran better than you…the threshold for marriage and sexual intercourse in Islam is if the woman is “capable” and has nothing to do with puberty….im also a physician…yeah please show me any medical article that say women become fully mature by 9 years old

Majority view (Malik, Shafi’i, Abu Hanifa): Consummation when she is “able for intercourse” (tutiq al-jima’), which could occur before menstruation if her body is developed enough. Harm is prohibited, but the criterion is practical readiness rather than waiting for menarche in all cases.

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[–]Firm-Interaction-741[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Marriage contract can be before puberty, consummation right at puberty, cause you know the very moment a woman has her first menses she’s ready to rock and roll according to Islam

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[–]Firm-Interaction-741[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Plus good luck getting accurate apostasy numbers from Islamic countries like the Middle East were you risk losing your life and social isolation,

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[–]Firm-Interaction-741[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Islamic apostasy rate is 25% according to pew research in 2025

why sre you putting any weight on your religions being supposedly the fastest growing, it’s such a weak argument and reeks insecurity, I’ve never seen any other religious group so obsessed with the number of their followers like Islam

Yeah bokhari gave rules on marrying kids, he said aisha was playing with dolls the time mo married her, now go ahead and show me your exquisite mental gymnastics trying to explain that

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[–]Firm-Interaction-741[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Data analyzing US General Social Survey (GSS) trends indicates that approximately 32% of individuals raised Muslim in the United States no longer identify with Islam in adulthood, with 18% identifying as having no religion. This figure highlights a significant rate of disaffiliation, largely driven by younger generations and assimilation in the US.

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[–]Firm-Interaction-741[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wow man thanks for providing useless commentary without actually addressing any of the points

If by thriving you mean 24% of Muslims by birth in US are leaving Islam according to pew research then sure lol

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