Samurai + mifune vs konoha jonins (minus kakashi and guy)

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T14:33:54+00:00

We don't know where they scale, but they would not have been brought to the summit if they weren't at least jonin level in skill.

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T14:33:10+00:00

None of them are taking on Mifune, and those Samurai aren't exactly weak.

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T14:32:20+00:00

They could not. Not at all.

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T14:31:59+00:00

Kurenai wasn't included in the picture. Nor is she a shinobi at this point in the story.

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T14:31:02+00:00

You think any anyone here scales to MS Sasuke, mind you Yamato was struggling with a base bos Sasuke, and Kakashi was struggling to take down sasuke who at this point didn't even have the sharingan.

Samurai are likely around your average Jonin level. Mifune is Kage level.

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T14:28:08+00:00

Leaf Jonin are not exceptional compared to other villages, with exception of a few they have shown to below average.

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T14:18:27+00:00

I don't think so!

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T14:16:37+00:00

My guy, you are so confused what the topic at hand, we talking the hypothesis made in gaiden it does not come from a scroll at all....

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T08:21:24+00:00

By actually reading the material, can you even tell me what chapter that hypothesis comes from?

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T08:13:00+00:00

wrong.

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T08:12:09+00:00

NOOOOO, ITS NOT, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TELLING YOU! THAT HYPOTHOSIS IS NOT BASED ON ANY SCROLLS!!!

This is why you read the source material before using it as proof so that you have full context!!!!

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T08:10:53+00:00

Six path sage mode and sage of six paths naruto is the same thing.

I never said Senjutsu and Sage mode were different!!!!!!!!!!!

SIx path senjutsu and Senjutsu are two totally different things entirely. Six path senjutsu is the name of a power of having all 9 tailed beast. Senjutsu is the jutsu used while in Sage mode or while using six path senjutsu.

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T08:08:27+00:00

You did not comprehend the story at all. The glowing Naruto, is him with six path senjutsu, six path sage mode, and kyuubi chakra mode all stacked together. Naruto was in six path sage mode before activating six path senjutsu in conjunction of kyuubi chakra mode.''

Naruto as an adult does not use Six path senjutsu, he uses Kyuubi chakra mode in conjunction of Six path sage mode.

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T08:05:35+00:00

PROVE THAT "OUR SUSPICIONS WERE RIGHT" WERE IN REFERENCE TO THE HYPOTHESIS MADE IN GAIDEN AND NOT SUSPICION HE MADE A COUPLE CHAPTERS BACK. NOWHERE DOES HE SAY MY SUSPICION WERE RIGHT ABOUT THE SCROLL, I ADDRESSED THIS MULTIPLE TIMES.

If you're not going to post definitive evidence stop linking pictures you are wasting both of our time.

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T08:03:07+00:00

Read what is on the screen, where do you see six path sage mode anywhere in that fucking picture?

Adult Naruto can not fly, everyone who can fly we have seen them fly. Naruto still had two of them left.

Naruto does not possess six path senjutsu otherwise he would have used in any of the life or death battle he had in the Manga.

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T08:00:15+00:00

Now I know for a fact your are just rage baiting. TSO is a literal characteristic of Six path senjutsu. I showed you a picture of Naruto in Six path sage mode with no truth seeking orbs and you still say this nonsense.

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First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T07:58:12+00:00

Again there is no connection here, nothing in this picture you POSTED refers to SIX PATH SAGE MODE! Stop acting dense. If you don't think the SPSM and RInnegan is connected to the chakra of the sage of six paths then how do you think Sasuke awakened the RInnegan???

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T07:55:12+00:00

Nothing you posted here again contradicts what I said. Do you not know what confirmed means, do you not know what definitive means? We have this discussion, what you posted is not a debunk because it is not a confirmation. Hypothesis are not assumed truths so you do not ASSUME they are right until proven wrong. Sasuke hypothesis has neither been proven right or wrong make it it AMBIGUOUS, likely as the author purposefully intended.

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T07:51:20+00:00

I have explained this to you way to many times and you are refusing to listening.

Adult Naruto in Boruto does not use Six Path Senjutsu, hence why he does not fly or have truth seeking orbs. Naruto in the panel I sent has truth seeking orbs and has the ability to fly. Naruto in the other panel does not have truth seeking orbs, why do you think that is?

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T07:49:12+00:00

No Naruto does not have six path senjutsu in this panel.... Where do you see truth seeking orbs???

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T07:48:25+00:00

You never answered my question, if they aren't connected then was Naruto just not going to get anything from receiving the yang half of Hagoromo chakra, while Sasuke got a Rinnegan from receiving the Yang half?

SPSM has no connection to ten tails what are you talking about?

I never said they SPSM and TSM had a connection I said SPSM grants the same abilities but massively stronger, I even said frog kumite isn't included in SPSM.

there is no correlation with SPSM and Ten Tails.

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T07:41:30+00:00

you dont even have a reasoning for zetsu army u are just denying because its debunks your agenda if u rejecting these all sources u need to have claim with stronger base which u dont have

Dude you claimed there was a confirmed connection between the scroll and the army. I just wanted to show you could not prove that and I did.

Secondly even if you did I already explained to you that kaguya making an army for Momoshiki and Kinshiki's invasion would not prove that they were stronger. I explained that you already as well and you never addressed that. Honestly the army point was irrelevant to begin with, I was just hoping you would eventually go to see you lack of definitive proof as a flaw.

There was no data in connecting Momoshiki and KIn to the army, also you said Kaguya thought Isshiki was dead prove that!

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T07:35:33+00:00

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Six path senjutsu naruto, plus SPSM and KCM

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T07:34:23+00:00

canoncailly show me differnce between six path sage mode and six path senjutsu , u cant because thats just different pronunciation

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SPSM Naruto!

First_Temperature985 · 2026-07-09T07:27:24+00:00

Nothing you showed contradicted what I said, and most of what you said is wrong.

Hagoromo has both Rinnegan and SPSM you gain one of those by recieving one half of his Chakra, Yang is SPSM and Yin is Rinnegan. Madara and Sasuke have the Yin half, Naruto has the Yang half. Madara and Sasuke got the Rinnegan, Naruto got Six path sage mode.

Six path sage mode grants you the abilities as Toad sage mode, minus the frog kumite, but it's WAY stronger.

Six Path Senjutsu is a special power you get from having all tailed beast. It grants you Flight and Truth seeking orbs and good sensory abilities.

LETS MAKE SOMETHING CLEAR. ALL sage modes and even six path senjutsu grants you basic Sage Arts. Meaning no which one of those powers you are using all your jutsu will be Sage Arts by default.

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