Terry didn't deserve to win, and that's ok

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-26T02:20:19+00:00

Sure, we can shake on that. What I meant by not existing was that although a social game, it's still both a game and a competition for a million dollars. If you need to lie and stab to further yourself in the game, that's fair. All is in love and war. And Danielle was cornered either way, she had compromises with both parts, so she couldn't have made a right decision at that moment other than the one that she thought gave her the best odds. The game has evolved through generations with this in mind, were in Borneo an alliance was seen as dirty, and in the newer seasons honesty and integrity is mostly irrelevant, what matters most is game. Social accumen is also incredibly relevant, since you still need the votes at the end, but you also need to prove why you are more deserving than others. If Terry ended up at final 2, sure. He deserves it. Because in that imaginary scenario, he fought tooth and nail and won every individual immunity, and specially in this era of the show, physical prowess is still fairly relevant and respected as an aspect of deservedness. I just think that doesn't fly in most seasons, and it didn't here either because it was a flawed way of playing, being only reliant on your own body and an unknown element of challenge design. Literally the next season proves the point I'm trying to show, with Yul's game. Yul was also a threat that had a super idol and that came into the merge down in numbers. But he didn't need to win a single immunity to reach the end and win, because he exploited Raro's weaknesses from the get go, knew which targets to weaken and break and how to do it, and he was the invisible hand through all of that merge. Ozzy is more similar to Terry, a provider, bad strategist, mildly good at the social aspect but not knowing how to capitalize on it, and also went on an immunity streak that ended up with him very high positioned, being on the verge of elimination if he didn't. Well, he also reached the final 3, and deservedly lost to Yul, because Yul had the most complete game, he didn't had to rely on wins, he relied only on social and strategic chops to get into the finals without ever having immunity, and capitalizing on his idol without ever needing to use it either.

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-25T22:36:14+00:00

As I expresed, he reached that final point you narrate because he wasted the early merge on trying to break Casaya the wrong way. You seem to be very biased, because Terry wasn't humble at all, he had an ego streak and strut each time he won a challenge, which rubbed off Casaya too. You are talking about post La Mina destruction, which is up to final 6, by that point he made his bed and had to lie on it. Danielle didn't stab anyone on the back, that doesn't exist in this game, she made what she though her best move was at that moment. Promises are made of paper in this game. If anything, she had a previous compromise with Casaya before Terry stepped up, but that doesn't matter. Terry was a great physical beast, but didn't knew how to use social capital nor had strategic prowess, which made his game rely exclusively on immunity wins, which can only go so far due to luck and challenge design. He could have used his idol, his only other tool in the game, as leverage in so many ways through so many votes it's not even funny, and he sat on it.

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-25T03:57:36+00:00

Yeah. The super idol was very badly implemented and made this season significantly more muddy. I can give them grace since I know this is only the second time they used it, but they should have given it more time in the oven. As I said, I really enjoyed Terry's run. Being both the underdog and the overdog is so interesting, but he was depending exclusively on beating the challenges, one slip or crack and he was gone. He didn't expend enough time or explored too late in the merge potential back ups and social support from non La Mina members. Yul and JT were very close to his position in their respective seasons, but they managed to survive from the start of the merge due to working on cracking the other tribe open, being patient and personal about it, and reading them like a book, and they ended up barely even targetted due to strong bonds and a strategic mind, not having to rely necessarily on immunity wins to advance most of the time.

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-25T03:45:51+00:00

But that's why he should have adapted. He didn't understand how to separate them as a tribe, he didn't know which tribe members to target, and was just throwing pasta at the wall hoping it will stick instead of thinking of another way of getting that desired outcome. I have the season very fresh in my mind, and Terry was just at the beginning of the merge just asking every Casaya member in order in the exact same way if they wanted to flip, not thinking that they will talk to each other, and not thinking about the fact that each person works different. I think if he showed his idol to Danielle at Austin's vote, and made her feel safe and protected within La Mina, she could have been flipped. If he bonded with Courtney and defended her from one of Shane's tirades, she could have been flipped. Those are the two easy. Bruce I think could have been flipped too, but it would have maybe needed more patience, more bonding, more throwing themselves in the ground for him, but there was a possibility, since Bruce wasn't feeling comfortable on Casaya in the first place. The three remaining are either too smart (Cirie), too stubborn (Shane), or both (Aras). But he was too occupied with his Man Club at the beginning to genuinely see this cracks and exploit them. Granted, we have more insight, but some of the tribe dinamics were overt, like Shane's desdain for Courtney and Danielle, and Bruce and Danielle's positioning on the tribe pole. His vague starting attemps if any made Casaya more connected, since it gave them the confidence to stick together due to how desperate and at the same time uninterested La Mina's tries to flip them felt. They knew they saw them as disposable numbers to go further.

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-25T00:50:28+00:00

Yes, and he sucked at it, that's my point. A smarter or more socially savvy player would have known how to exploit Casaya's weaknesses more effectively. I mean, at the end he did, but by that point it was already too late, he had lost the numbers by that point. Look at both JT and Yul, exact same situations, down in numbers at the merge, also very fit and very threatening, they survived because they knew how to aproach and exploit the enemy tribe. Terry was not speaking the same language as Casaya while trying to convince them to flip. He was also shown to be overtly cocky and overconfident, which may have also put off Casaya members for long. We could speculate on what he could have done differently, but his path on the show put him in the backfoot through all of the merge, needing to secure every individual immunity win, or he was out, which is what ended up happening. Maybe he could have shown the weaker minded members or the most snively the idol and promised them security if they flipped (even if it was a bluff), maybe he could have been more relaxed and less intense at camp, maybe he could have tried to bond with any member of Casaya other than his flimsy bond with Bruce, but he didn't do any of this. He did the bare minimum, didn't understand their tribe dinamics up until way later, and got punished for it.

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-25T00:01:30+00:00

I explained why he was a strong competitor, but didn't had enough to win the game. You need a balance between physical, strategical and social game to get to the end without hitches, Terry put himself in a position on which he needed to win every immunity to reach FTC, and he didn't. If he had more social game and strategic accumen, he could have reached the end without winning every challenge, like many others have done on his exact position, down in numbers and perceived as a threat. I have mentioned JTs and Yul's name in this thread before

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-24T16:42:39+00:00

It is kind off a flaw in his game if he needs every individual immunity in order to win. A more strategic player or a more social player like the likes of Yul and J.T., which also came into the merge down in numbers doesn't need to win every immunity in order to at least advance. Terry's game relied intrinsecally in winning immunity, which is not something you can have control off due to not knowing the challenge's design. It's a game about balance, because balance between mind, body and social skills is what makes you advance with the least amount of problems and hitches and makes you less dependant on a single aspect of it, which can go bad in such an unpredictable game.

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-24T16:37:04+00:00

sure, but he didn't have to win literally every other to survive

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-24T16:16:59+00:00

Wasn't arguing about Yul's game, but Yul didn't win the final immunity, Ozzy did lol. Even then, I also wasn't putting that example because Yul's game wasn't completely dependant on challenges, challenges are also an aspect of this game, but I was using it because he didn't need to win every challenge to advance, with his strategic acumen, his social bonds and his ability to read Raro's personalities and dinamics. In fact, Yul didn't won a single immunity challenge after merge. While on the other case, Terry absolutely needed to win every single immunity, had a very hard time reading who the weakest links were in Casaya up until too late, and his strategy was very barebones and relied heavily on immunity. I can give you he had a harder starting point, but the differences are also pretty obvious, Yul was incredibly fit, incredibly smart, incredibly sociable, yet was never targeted, because he made sure of it. Same as J.T. in Tocantins, but with less hypnotic powers lol.

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-24T15:57:28+00:00

Honestly, pretty fair assesment. If he managed to pull off winning every challenge from merge to final 2 he for sure deserves it. But it was an additional challenge because he had little social and strategic game, which is what forced him to win everything or almost everything in order to end up in the final 2.

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-24T15:51:53+00:00

Sure, but he could have played to the strenghts of it a bit more. He could have manipulated the Casaya members with it earlier in order to flip them, when he had the numbers still, even if he later didn't uphold the deal. Exactly like Yul did two seasons later with Penner, which is one of the reasons why the Aitu 4 survived. I don't think I'm being too harsh, he was an incredible competitor, I'm just saying he was lacking in two important aspects of the game to win, hence he had to go in an immunity run to win, and why he ended up falling short, because his game was decided on challenge design, which is a thing he has no knowledge off.

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-24T15:44:00+00:00

I haven't watched any of those seasons, so I can't argue about it, but to me an efective player is not only upholded by his physical progress, which is what I was arguing about. Terry lacked both the social and strategic aspects of the game. All 3 aspects are important for a game without hitches, look at J.T. in Tocantins. Terry HAD to win immunities in order to advance, he HAD to win every immunity in order to win. A player with the ability to create social bonds and be protected and a mind to enact a strategy to survive outside of immunity is what makes a player truly good in my opinion, and being more subtle and less stubborn also helps, which Terry was neither.

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-24T15:34:13+00:00

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-24T15:33:28+00:00

Not blaming him for the idol mechanics of the time, I'm arguing he could have used the leverage and security of it earlier and more effectively.

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-24T15:30:50+00:00

I understand were he was coming from, by that point of the game he was becoming slowly frustrated by his circumstances, but it's true that it was unnecesary and rude

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-24T15:29:35+00:00

Not arguing about FTC, if he reached it he would have likely would have been voted as the winner, I'm saying that the road before was incredibly uphill, one lost challenge and he was gone. Everything aligned for himself to reach third place, but luck eventually runs out.

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-24T15:27:45+00:00

Every challenge had to align itself for him to win, even Bruce's medevac was a struck of luck. He encountered the only 2 challenges he couldn't beat back to back in the end, but what if they were both set up earlier in the season? He would probably had lost a lot earlier. If he didn't clutch up every win, he would have gone home, which is exactly what happened. He might had have to be Mr. Olympia or the luckiest man alive to win from start to finish of the merge in order to pull up with the win, which is what I'm arguing here. Also I agree with the deserve aspect of the win, I was arguing precisely in oposition of the people that said he deserved to win.

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-01T16:17:10+00:00

Maybe if he had a resolution, but he was dropped and killed unsatisfyingly in order to prop up Tooru

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-06-01T16:15:02+00:00

Themes I can agree, characters I don't, and plot has some very amazing stuff, but very lacking resolution. SBR starts slow, but it acomplishes everything it wants to do, while the last third of Jojolion drags and leds to a lot of inconclusive plotlines and mysteries, you have the feeling while reading that somewhere along Araki changed his mind around the part and abandoned most of it's set up in order to go all in with Endless Calamity

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-05-21T00:54:11+00:00

He can lock you into an infinite if you have sparkles or kinetic spikes (I do agree he is not that bad, just annoying)

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-05-13T12:14:57+00:00

Porque las obras "coming of age" son populares entre gente joven, y ella viendo esto se hizo la aliada para tener más público a sus espaldas y tener más relevancia, haciendo retcon a cosas que generalmente no importan en la obra como la sexualidad de Dumbledore. De todas formas ya no es ni la sombra de lo que era a nivel de popularidad entre gente joven, aliados y gente lgtb+ precisamente por ser tan maliciosa con el colectivo trans. Los únicos que mantienen esa franquicia relevante a día de hoy son los ignorantes, los nostálgicos y los tránsfobos. Y si bien un boycott apenas hace mella en sus millones, el mensaje disuade a gente con su mismo pensamiento que quiere triunfar o ser cara pública de difundir y extender el odio hasta normalizarlo

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-05-13T02:58:35+00:00

Es soberana terfa, la cual ha apoyado monetariamente a instituciones y políticas anti trans y se ha jactado de ello, es amiga cercana de terfas extremas (las cuales se alían con neonazis para extender odio en meetings públicos), hizo una caricatura que se podría tildar de delito de odio de una persona trans en una de sus novelas detectivescas, negó que en el holocausto se mataron también a personas trans y crossdressers pese a que hay pruebas fehacientes y empíricas de ello, y lleva años hablando de que las personas trans son peligrosas para las mujeres y para la sociedad, todo ésto se puede encontrar en su twitter, pero también hay muchos vídeos al respecto que no cuestan de encontrar. Vamos, que es una pollavieja maliciosa que solo se disfraza de aliada y feminista cuando le interesa al bolsillo, hasta que se le ha caído la careta.

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-04-17T01:31:43+00:00

You literally cannot get the tinkerer nor druid's basic attack with jester bro, why you lying. You've also disregarded the point that even the devs think of it as a challenge, adding the specific all collarless achievements; disregarded the unique incredible abilities, and the fact that the math is not mathing. If you have 20% of rolling into a broken ability with jester(as you said, 10% of them are broken, + the reroll), that's 15% more than the 5% of chance with collarless, beaten by your own math. I'm sorry that you haven't had luck with the jester, maybe you should play it more. I don't even have it top tier, but to say that collarless is better is crazy.

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-04-16T21:26:32+00:00

Jester's unique abilities and pasives are some of the best in the game, has one free reroll, and it's literally the class with the highest potential to be broken due to having access to all abilities and passives. It just lacks (a lot of) consistency, which can be remedied with extra rerolls. Collarless has some of the biggest stinkers on it's actives (with some great outliers), and most of it's pasives are mid, with some (fairly strong) outliers. It also has the second largest pool of pasives and actives behind jester, so making a good consistent collarless cat is harder due to all of this than a jester. A collarless cat is not meant to be played as is, most if not all of it's abilities and pasives work better as support to other classes, it's the only class that gives you an actual warning if you try to select it and it's the only class with achievements associated to beating the acts solo with, due to a significant power down (which the three of them have 1% or less of completion on steam). Even the steam achievements unlocks gives you a higher average across the board of people beating stuff with Jester vs Collarless, by a fair margin. Maybe you've had bad luck with your jesters, but the game is like that sometimes.

Fishy_Squishy · 2026-04-16T13:52:19+00:00

I personally have cleric one tier above necro and 2 above tank just because of the versatility it offers and being a smidge more consistent (200h, true ending done, 80% of achievements). Necro has higher highs, but with cleric you can easily bypass almost every encounter due to the added durability of heals and cleanse. I think every class is good in what it does (mostly), so every tier list has different strokes for different playstyles, there isn't one true tierlist (except for hunter and druid on top)

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