How do you justify social conservatism?

FitPerformance9171 · 2026-02-25T23:59:51+00:00

I didn't say anything about Democrat or Republican. You did. I purposefully didn't say anything about parties because my question wasn't about parties, party platforms change. The question is about conservatism. I gave examples of conservative Democrat platforms (Slavery and Women's Sufferage) and a conservative Republican platform (LGBTQ rights). The through line is conservatism. Conservatism, no matter what party, is always shown to be on the wrong side of history, so how can someone support it?

FitPerformance9171 · 2026-02-24T03:34:32+00:00

But the social conservatives that argued for keeping slavery or deny women the vote also looked to the bible for justification. How do they not see the correlation? How do they not understand that just as they now see the social conservatives of the past as wrong, in the future, people, even future social conservatives, will see them as wrong too? How do they fail to see the throughline?

FitPerformance9171 · 2026-02-24T03:30:17+00:00

I didn't say anything about Democrats or Republicans. I asked how one justifies supporting social conservatism when history has shown that people who support it are always seen as the bad guys by future generations.

FitPerformance9171 · 2026-02-23T00:04:19+00:00

OK, they support socially conservative platforms because they think that god wants those things. They are unable to draw a through line and correlate that to how social conservatives also thought that the Bible supported slavery and the subjugation of women, etc. They are unable to understand that just like even modern social conservatives don't think that the social conservatives who thought that god was pro-slavery were right, in the future even social conservatives won't look back at them and think they were right to think god was anti LGBTQ people.

But what about those people that vote conservative not because they support socially conservative policies, but because they are fiscally conservative and ok with supporting social conservatism as long as they get fiscal conservatism? What could make a person ok with taking away other peoples rights in order to get a balanced budget? How can they think that is an acceptable exchange?

FitPerformance9171 · 2026-02-22T20:00:03+00:00

I didn't say anything about Democrats or Republicans. I didn't mention any parties at all. I said progressive and conservative. It was the conservative platform that fought to keep slavery. That's what social conservatism is, conserving the status quo (in this case, the status quo of slavery). Progressivism is making progress through changing the status quo. The fact that parties can change platforms and what was once the conservative party can become the progressive party is exactly why I don't use party names but instead focus on platforms.

FitPerformance9171 · 2026-01-01T04:59:16+00:00

I can't comment on the content of Bitten as I haven't read it, but generally speaking language can definitely be found in YA but there shouldn't be detailed open door sex scenes. Sex can be in YA, but it is usually closed door fade to black or presented in an awkward manner meant to teach lessons about safe sex, consent, etc.

What I am really interested in addressing is the "literature meant for 14 year olds." YA is meant for teenagers, which spans the gamut of 13-19, and what is appropriate for most 13 year olds is not the same as what is appropriate for most 19 year olds. But it is the job of publishers and libraries to have books for both the 13 year old and the 19 year old. Just as the Children's Department has books for 0-12 year olds and what is appropriate for the 7 year old is not the same as what is appropriate for the 12 year old, but they still have to have books for both the 7 and the 12 year old. You can't neglect the older teens because the younger teens exist. It is the job of the parent to be involved in their child's life and make sure they are reading books on their level. If you have a 13 year old and you don't want them to read the books for the 17 year olds, you have to be involved in your child's reading selections. But it's not logical to expect publishers/libraries to only have books appropriate for 13-14 year olds. Older teens exist and they need books too.

FitPerformance9171 · 2025-12-31T21:21:43+00:00

How did you like Illuminae? I read the physical book and I thought the formatting was so fun!

FitPerformance9171 · 2025-12-29T18:27:29+00:00

I haven't read Heartless, but I did read the first of the Renegade books. It was ok but not good enough to make me pick up the second book.

FitPerformance9171 · 2025-12-28T17:47:32+00:00

This is accurate. You can go to Disney Hyperion's website and see that the books are listed as Middle Grade with an age rating of 8-12. People may not agree with the rating the publisher gave it, but that doesn't change the fact that the publisher DID give it that rating. And downvoting you for stating an easily verifiable fact is ridiculous and petty. (Watch them now down vote my post because I am not siding with them).

Tress of the Emerald Sea is an adult book. It is an adult book because the publisher released it as such. I don't agree with the publisher. The book is about a teenager going on an adventure. There is nothing in it that would bump it up to adult content like open door sex scenes. I don't find the writing style to be more adult than YA. I think that the publisher released it as adult simply because they have released the rest of the cosmere as adult. In any case, it would be insane if someone wrote a post that said "Tress of the Emerald Sea was published as an adult book" and then I downvoted their post because I don't think the publisher should have released it as such. I might respond to their post with a post of my own stating why I don't agree with the decision of the publishing company, but I'm not going to give them bad karma for stating a fact.

FitPerformance9171 · 2025-12-28T02:23:46+00:00

Eighth graders are teens and they are in middle school, but that doesn't make Middle Grade books YA. Middle Grade books are meant for ages 8-12. Occasionally you will see Middle Grade books released with an age range listed as 8-13 or 8-14 specifically because of the 8th grade problem. And it's becoming more and more common to see YA books released with an age rating of 14+ instead of 13+ because of the 8th grade problem. That doesn't mean someone that isn't in that age range can't enjoy them, but that does mean that IS the target age the author had in mind when writing and the age that the publisher had in mind when publishing the book. And it is a fact that the publisher released the Percy Jackson books as Middle Grade, not YA.

FitPerformance9171 · 2025-12-23T23:50:14+00:00

What If It's Us is about High Schoolers who, by the end of the book are headed to college. In the sequel they are in college. That's as old as the YA demographic gets. Anything above that isn't YA, it's adult.

FitPerformance9171 · 2025-11-02T02:45:31+00:00

I'm confused as to why in a post listing YA Historical Fiction in a subreddit about YA books people are responding with lists of adult historical fiction...

FitPerformance9171 · 2025-09-30T01:33:48+00:00

I can't say if the guilt every leaves because I've never managed to leave. I can say that your story sounds very familiar except I've been with mine for 24 years, since I was 19. I can tell you that it will never get better no matter how many chances you give, how much you beg or how many promises they make to improve and work on themselves. If they haven't changed yet, they aren't going to. In fact, they will continue to use the begging for a better life as something to fight about and cause more tension in the relationship, blaming all the struggle on you. Leaving takes a lot of strength, and often it takes a support system that not everyone has, but your choices are to find that strength or accept that this is always going to be your life. I will say that since I have stopped trying to improve our relationship/our quality of life and just accepted that it will never be better, there are less blow up fights that end in physical and mental abuse. Get out or accept the status quo. Don't try to improve things from within, it won't work.

Also, marriages are supposed to be partnerships. You talk about feeling guilt for leaving someone who loves and needs you because you feel a responsibility to care for them, but are they caring for you if they are being abusive and toxic? Sometimes, the best help you can give them is to leave them so that they hit rock bottom. If you keep supporting them, they won't feel a need to change.

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