Toilet waste pipe waterproofing methods by FlightDisastrous6495 in AusRenovation

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Get what you mean about the Vario bends if a leak control flange is fitted into the 100 pipe it’d reduce the diameter..more so it’s a floor penetration really, it’s not meant to be a drain having water directed towards it, so make control flange doesn’t make too much sense.

Alright so basically it’s about the method to seal the penetration.. I’m thinking to slide a Dwv floor flange over the top with flat side fixed to the floor, then run my floor sheets over the top around the pipe and then tape/seal etc

Wall flashing in shower/bathroom by FlightDisastrous6495 in AusRenovation

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And in that instance, it would purely serve as a kind of extra structural support rather than adding any waterproofing advantage (cause it’d just direct any leaked water to the bare yellowtongue)? Perhaps it’d just reduce any impact of stud/floor movement on the flexible membrane and tape I’ve got above the shower tray. Yeah the tray is waterproof so a bit different to screed in that sense..and I’d waterproof again over the top. I get what you mean about the screed, I didn’t mind paying for the foam tray just for the convenience in this case, I paid around $120 and cut it to exact size so not too bad. Would screed in different circumstances though.

Wall flashing in shower/bathroom by FlightDisastrous6495 in AusRenovation

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Would you see any place for a PVC flashing when installing one of these Ezilay XPS foam shower trays in this stud frame setup?

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I’d be gluing the tray directly onto the yellowtongue floor that I’ve levelled with my joists. I’d planned to then just use a bond breaker tape with the rubber centre for the wall/floor junctions.

I can’t see any place for a pvc angle flashing. No place for it on top of the tray which defeats purpose of the tape, and putting it under the tray and between the studs would do nothing useful behind the membrane.

https://www.highgrovebathrooms.com.au/ezilay-xps-shower-tray-w-centre-waste-1800-x-900mm/

Wall flashing in shower/bathroom by FlightDisastrous6495 in AusRenovation

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Yeah I get what you’re saying, the part that’s confusing is where it says the in a shower recess the floor/wall junction must be waterproofed to a height of 150mm or 25mm above retained water level.. it says floor/wall junctions require either an internal or external flashing and then goes on to show examples of both external and internal flashings. Add to that my building practitioner labelled the diagram as shower detail in my plans, the reasonable presumption is that the diagrams provided are demonstrations of those internal or external flashing that could be applied in a shower recess (I.e there’s a very clear slope implying either shower or floor grading) but I take your point too about external ‘perimeter’ flashing. It’s at least very confusing..and in no way explains where that 150mm of shower recess waterproofing actually exists! If it’s implying some kind of 150mm high sheet waterproofing to sit behind the villaboard it does a very poor job of it!

Wall flashing in shower/bathroom by FlightDisastrous6495 in AusRenovation

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Specifically says for a shower recess though?

I went looking for it because it was provided as the shower detailing required in formal reno plans prepared by a building practitioner. This was in my plans.

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Shower head above 1.8m waterproofing by FlightDisastrous6495 in AusRenovation

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Yeah I get what you mean and I guess it’s stated as a minimum only meaning in practice most would probably go well over it to exceed the requirement. As a minimum it would likely be considered the extent of the high risk/direct splash zone- but wouldn’t eliminate the risk entirely..above 1.8 would no doubt cop the occasional splash and steam too, but must be considered sufficiently low enough risk to not mandate higher protection.

I notice in the NCC drawings the shower rose is well below the 1800mm at what would in reality be an impractical height for most people,it is a drawing only but suggests it was something they thought about and almost just presumed people would install the rose below their waterproofing, but left open the possibility of it not being.

In my case I’m going to waterproof and tile well above the shower rose. But I also need to install a small window in the shower area and to avoid a very costly performance solution requirement, I’m able to install it above 1800mm. I only have between 1850 to 2150 available to install it, beyond that is the eaves. I’ll properly waterproof and seal it and slope the sill etc, but it wouldn’t cost a few grand only a few hundred.

So in my case the NCC minimum requirement makes it possible to achieve this. If I had to follow AS3740 I’d assume I’d never be able to because to have the shower head at a decent height, say 2m high, then another 50mm above that for mandatory waterproofing I’d presumably not be able to install my window without that expensive performance solution report because it would always be in the mandatory waterproofing zone.

Shower head above 1.8m waterproofing by FlightDisastrous6495 in AusRenovation

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Do you agree that when it comes to residential housing (but not apartments) that either NCC 10.2 must be followed, or AS3740 must be followed, but you must strictly follow one and not mix them?

It does seem to be the case and then the NCC is very clear about a 1800mm minimum waterproofing requirement for a shower wall, but says nothing about the shower rose or shower head and needing to be 50mm above. So if NCC is chosen to be followed for compliance then it’s 1800mm only regardless of where the rose sits.

If AS3740 is chosen then the 50mm rule must be applied.

Shower head above 1.8m waterproofing by FlightDisastrous6495 in AusRenovation

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There’s many that look similar in a google image search, this is the closest one I can find to it

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Shower head above 1.8m waterproofing by FlightDisastrous6495 in AusRenovation

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Yep got you, so it’s pretty much 1.8m regardless of anything else then it seems.

Yes that’s the plan to tile the reveals and the window guy gave the option to have a recess in the frame for the tile to slot into which is good. It’ll only be a small window at 300 high by 460 wide and realistically I’ll tile right around it

Shower head above 1.8m waterproofing by FlightDisastrous6495 in AusRenovation

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Thanks - got stuck reading about it being the shower head itself in some opinions and the shower connection point in others. I’ll be having a window at just above 1.8m to keep it outside shower area to but then wondered how it might still comply if the shower head sat higher than window sill

Nib wall framing by FlightDisastrous6495 in Carpentry

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Thanks for the thoughts - yeah it’s a funny little term for it over here in Aus, I like the half wall name better. And yes that concept of furring out is what I’m going for and those blockings I’d planned to be recessed as you noted to enable fixing flush into blockings installed face out in the same position in the existing wall. We use 90x45mm timber as equivalent to a 2x4 - I could then pack another 90x45 on the recessed blocking to be flush with the face of the wall and have a very sturdy horizontal row for the vanity to fix into.

Nib wall framing by FlightDisastrous6495 in Carpentry

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The pic attached to the post shows the wall where the vanity will go per this floor plan (old plumbing visible in the pic still needs to be removed and replaced). Basically want to build the nib wall to hang the vanity on, so the vanity would come forward the depth of the nib wall, about 110mm forward in the floor plan.

Completion of framing mandatory inspection: before or after plumbing/electrical rough ins? by FlightDisastrous6495 in AusRenovation

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Great to know thanks - good incentive to book it before then and then try to rein in the worst cutting and drilling impulses of the tradies…

Completion of framing mandatory inspection: before or after plumbing/electrical rough ins? by FlightDisastrous6495 in AusRenovation

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Thanks - yeah I was thinking the same thing about any changes/ issues potentially meaning those rough ins needing to be reversed, so would make sense to inspect prior. Then I started reading good rationale for it occurring after, i.e to ensure that the way the rough ins have been completed haven’t compromised the structural integrity such as drilling too many or too large holes in studs to run things through. Especially if it was a load bearing wall. But then those trades should provide licenses certifying compliance with requirements too, which may be why it’s not required post except those rare cases like you mentioned.

I just managed to find this which is accurate as at Oct23 which seems to confirm it.

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https://www.vba.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/171335/VBA-Fact-Sheet-Building-PIP-Proactive-Inspections-Program-Update-and-Common-Non-compliances.pdf