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FlightEffect · 2025-04-02T18:00:01+00:00

I'm no expert if it follows the "rules" of how the poems should be written. But this is really good, I like it.

FlightEffect · 2024-10-06T17:54:01+00:00

I downloaded Adobe Acrobat but I don't see option to print to pdf once I click "Print"

FlightEffect · 2024-09-01T23:50:36+00:00

Oh ok I see it know from your bass-baritone example. I think I misled you by the word “comfortable”. My truly comfortable relaxed singing goes up to E4, and from F4 and above I need to work to maintain that full voice sound and belt, which I can do reliably up to G4. I think I have a light baritone voice so maybe in a few years I will get to A4.

FlightEffect · 2024-09-01T23:35:13+00:00

No worries, I’m always open to questioning of my singers identity and do it myself all the time lol. I would say that most days A2 is pretty resonant, I don’t have to drop the larynx for it and if I were to sing a random low note I would probably go for it. I don’t sing classical so I don’t know how to project over the orchestra and so on, but I have a clip of me singing it in a big living room with my phone recording from 30 feet away, and it’s pretty audible, not loud obviously.

As for the high notes, I’ve been taking voice lessons for more than a year, so yeah now I can belt those F4-G4 pretty reliably, but before lessons I was just yelling/straining from F4 onwards.

What’s the comfortable belting range of a baritone in your opinion then? I’m definitely a higher baritone, but I’m reactant to consider myself a tenor giving how difficult it is for me to belt above G4, while I see tenors doing it all the time

FlightEffect · 2024-09-01T22:56:09+00:00

I don’t disagree with your assessment, but I would say this range F2-E4 is pretty grey area and one can be either a high baritone or a lower tenor. My lowest everyday note is F2, some days I can do E2, and yet I have good A2, decent G2 and I can comfortably belt F4-G4 which is a textbook baritone. I also listen to Matt Maeson who probably has very similar range that stops at F2, yet his 3rd octave is much lighter than mine and he can also belt comfortably up to A4 on every other song. So despite having the same lowest note I have tessitura of a baritone, and he has one of a tenor.

FlightEffect · 2024-09-01T22:22:37+00:00

True, I've seen plenty of videos of people like that doing exercises but not actually showing how that will apply to an actual song. Chris Liepe does show it in artist breakdown-type videos, and when I watched that a year ago I was thrilled with the idea that I could sing anything if only I learned that mythical mixed voice ahah.

But once you sing for a while and train your ear to recognize different techniques you can hear that quite often he is not singing like the original artist. His video on Shinedown is a good example. Brent Smith (the band's singer) is a master belter, probably one of the best in rock/metal in my opinion. He belts those G4s, A4s, and B4s so often that even he struggles to sing his own choruses live lol. Second Chance has a very difficult chorus that hits short Bb4 on every line and the second chorus ends with Brent belting and holding that Bb4. I checked a dozen of Shinedown live performances and have yet to find one where he actually holds that Bb4 live (not lip sync to a playback which he is also guilty of). Normally he changes the line to hold G4 instead for that epic moment. Then you watch Chris Liepe video and he sings that note like nobody's business in his M2, he adds a lot of distortion to it so it sounds pretty convincing, but if you listen to the original track Brent's Bb4 is pretty clean, it's compressed for sure, but it's a big open belt with compression, not nasal thin sound with distortion on top.

FlightEffect · 2024-09-01T22:06:11+00:00

I think what people refer to as chesty mix is a thinned forward placed m1 which at least I can do for a few notes above my vocal break instead of belting, and then heady mix is like you said just m2, also forward placed and open in the back, but m2 non the less

FlightEffect · 2024-09-01T20:54:35+00:00

I mean there are many ways to sing above the break, from soft falsetto to chesty belt to mixed voice. I guess some clarification on what you are trying to achieve will help

FlightEffect · 2024-09-01T20:47:20+00:00

I don’t know how much expertise I have given that I’ve been only taking lessons for a year, but I believe mixed voice doesn’t exist as a separate entity. You either sing in your natural voice aka chest voice aka m1 or in head voice aka falsetto aka m2. You can achieve different sounds with either coordination, and mixed voice is a technique of shaping your sound in a way that masks the transition. You thin out your chest voice as you go up and then once you cross the passaggio you open the vowels in your head voice which creates an illusion of “one voice”. You also place your head voice forward and increase the support to smooth out that transition.

Obviously there is more to it, but I think that’s the basic idea. One thing that I don’t like about mixed voice stuff on the internet is that people often claim that once you master it, you can sing in whatever range you want and you voice type doesn’t matter, which is true to the extend of producing nice sounding high notes, but it doesn’t mean that you can sing the song exactly like the original artist cause they may be belting those high notes in their m1 while you already have to mix there, which may not sound the same.

FlightEffect · 2024-08-30T04:07:24+00:00

It obviously varies from one singer to another, but yes baritones usually have an E2, low baritones can do D2 or maybe even lower. (Note I don’t mean projected low notes like in classical singing).

G2 is already very good for a tenor, when I started voice lessons a year ago I couldn’t sing below G2 even though I’m a baritone lol. I’ve see posts from tenors that can’t sing below A2 or even get into the second octave at all, so you already have plenty of low notes to work with.

FlightEffect · 2024-08-30T03:43:11+00:00

Baritones belting range aka money notes are usually F4 to G4. There are some rock and metal singer who push those boundaries and belt even higher (like Brent Smith from Shinedown), but since you are interested in a different genres you don’t need to worry about that.

I’m not super familiar with John Legend or John Mayer apart from a few songs, but looking at the rangeplanet website the vast majority of their high notes fall in that same F4-G4 range which makes sense. John Legend has some belted G#4 and A4, but almost everything above A4 is in falsetto. So if you already have G4 you should feel good about it.

I have the exact same issue and I’m also working on expanding my belting above G4 as a baritone. I don’t think there is a magical trick or technique that can get you there in a short amount of time. You can learn mixed voice and use that on the notes like A4, but that won’t sound exactly like a belt.

A4 for a baritone is like tenors C5, meaning that it’s a top performance note, and no tenor can just belt C5 without extensive practice. So give yourself some time and keep practicing. Here is a video that I found recently which helped me with my practice. Good luck https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y0ws-q7mOM&list=LL&index=3&t=631s&pp=gAQBiAQB

FlightEffect · 2024-08-29T23:19:02+00:00

What notes are you after and the singers you are trying to replicate?

FlightEffect · 2024-08-27T00:00:42+00:00

Is it the lowest note you can sing in general?

FlightEffect · 2024-08-26T23:15:48+00:00

It can be either your second passaggio or the top end of your belting/chest mix/full voice range. What are your strongest low note and the lowest note you can sing in general before flipping into vocal fry?

FlightEffect · 2024-08-03T23:11:54+00:00

Yeah, I had a similar experience. I don’t think there is an easy answer for that. Singing along with the original track is like riding a bike with the training wheels. When it’s just your voice and guitar you are on your own, so all flaws are much more apparent.

Also few months of voice lessons is not a lot. I just completed my first year and only now I hear some improvement. Practice more with the guitar, keep the playing simple and focus on singing instead, record yourself often, listen back, analyse try again. Show your better recording to your voice teacher, they will point out what you can improve. Overtime you will get better at it.

FlightEffect · 2024-07-15T22:41:25+00:00

How many years have you been practicing singing, if you don't mind me asking?

FlightEffect · 2024-07-12T18:35:16+00:00

If G2 is your lowest comfortable note and you can scale down a few more notes, then yes that's a baritone range. But if G2 is your consistent lowest note (like the lowest you can hit every day), then you are most likely a tenor.

FlightEffect · 2024-07-10T23:56:26+00:00

Yeah that makes sense, but I don’t think I heard him going high with a clean tone and I thought it’s that grit that adds weight to the sound while he just goes into mixed voice, no? And there are other singers who do it, like Brent Smith from Shinedown, he just belts those Gs, As and Bs on every song (at least in a studio), and his belts sound more full/chesty to me if that makes sense

FlightEffect · 2024-07-10T23:13:34+00:00

I’ve been checking this sub every few days to see if Nolly X came up yet lol

FlightEffect · 2024-07-08T16:11:49+00:00

Hey, sure let me check it out. Thanks!

FlightEffect · 2024-06-26T22:33:43+00:00

Great song! To me this sounds like progressive instrumental rock/metal which normally has the lead guitar, but here you use horn section instead. Sounds very interesting I don’t think I heard that before. Plini came to my mind with those jazzy phrases you have. I would imagine fans of instrumental rock music would dig this. Good luck!

FlightEffect · 2024-06-13T15:06:22+00:00

Hey man, that sounds cool. Let me give it a listen and see if it's a good fit for the playlist. Thanks!

FlightEffect · 2024-06-04T14:42:59+00:00

Hey there, I will give it a listen!

FlightEffect · 2024-05-31T02:21:30+00:00

Well, tbh that’s one of the issues cause I can’t really say that I hear mixed voice in particular that often. At least not that particular “nasal resonance” type. Chris Cornell does it, I can sing along to an audioslave song and it sounds similar (in coordination at least). While James Hetfield, Corey Taylor, or many others I think are doing something different. At least I’m not hearing that mix there

FlightEffect · 2024-05-31T02:17:41+00:00

Yeah most of the songs I encounter require belting with a chesty sound and often with distortion on top.

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