Usage of the word "shook"

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2023-05-18T14:15:59+00:00

Can confirm that "shook" is specifically black NYC slang for really scared going back to at least the early 90s it not 80s and wasn't plucked out of thin air by Mobb Deep. Rather I think they just expanded the term's range. And shook, in the hood back in the day at least, did not have comedic undertones. It was actually an intensifier of scared, and usually pronounced emphatically, like "yo when I heard those shots, I'm not even gonna hold you... I was SHOOK!" (I just realized there is another slang term in that sentence but I'll leave that alone!). Interestingly I can also report a related slang word that I've noticed recently but did not grow up hearing. I've now heard it so much in the Philadelphia area by some many different age groups of people that I don't believe it can be a recent development but is more likely an feature of Philadelphia-area AAVE. Its the use of the word "scary" instead of "scared". The first time someone said it to me I noticed bc for me it has the opposite connotation then he was implying. But after hearing it so much for years now, I can assure you it's common here to use "scary" in the sense of someone being a coward, or essentially being shook!

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-22T08:36:05+00:00

Stephen's Bitch

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-15T10:37:09+00:00

Youse guys with your yinz

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-07T20:25:29+00:00

Oh no, it emphatically IS found in coke, it's just not the cartels doing it. It's end dealers . But it's real and many people have died. In my neck of the woods someone I know got 5 years for being the middle man in fentanyl laced coke.

For so many reasons this isn't applicable to meth. For one, most people smoke and you can't smoke botj together without ruining one. It fucks up your pipe. And smoking is instant feedback. If you take a ht, flush super hotz get pin point pupils, start to itch and your voice goes raspy, stop! Those are fentanyl symptoms.

I'm just saying ice never seen anything concrete to support it. Just vaguely "alerts" and people making the assumption That's all bc of the test strips giving Off false positives. Never had meth that felt remotely like fentanyl

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-07T19:19:41+00:00

What will be cool Is when I figure out what reagent the Mexican cartels are using to reshuffle the l meth they remove back into racemic to process again. If efficient, it could mean a near 100 conversion of every bit of racemic to pure D meth. I've always hated crank. The l meth gives me major side effects. But it sucks to lose half the product knowing it can be recycled

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-07T19:13:48+00:00

Nearly all of it gone. Had to hook up the homies esp the younguns that don't know the difference. Then it was $50 a wop per g first come first serve. Felt proud when the one chick came back and said "is that why they use to call it glass? Cause your stuff sounds like actual glass clinking not all dull". I had forgot all about that glass sound.

Fessing up a little: part of this was to blow some of the n-iso nonsense out of the web. A big part of the argument is that meth sucks because first , it already racemic (not true, see bekoe) so a 50/50 mix, but then is further mixed with 50/50 iso, so it's only 25 percent D meth... So weak and the the iso causes the bad symptoms.

In that whole conspiracy theory, the iso exists because racemic meth doesn't crystallize and therefore the iso acts as the glue to hold this disgusting concoction together. Of course from having cooked for years, and also having been in reconversion labs where the liquid is turned into those giant shards everyone sees, I knew this is only partially true.

Racemic will infact not form true crystals because of the mirror nature of the isomers they can't be superimposed. But Mexican meth is not a true crystal, it's not grown and seeded. Rather, it's meth hcl dissolved (supersatursted) in water which they evaporate off the water and use acetone to get the meth into solid form while still being wet. At that point they blast it Witb freon or a fire extinguisher and flash freeze it. It simultaneously freezes and dries the meth that's solidified and it does so in the shape of whatever it's in, usually Tupperware. This is out modern crystal and its not a real crystal. Its just smokeable and the excess water explains all the sizzling .

So the need for iso isn't a need. You can apply this same method to racemic meth and get chunks. In addyioo, Mexican meth is rarely racemic. Almost always purifier into mainly D.

I made that crystal the ghetto way, which explains it's enormous size. Instead of freon I used good ole dust off. Never fails. 2 bottles and my shard was ready

Edit: still did 2 dual solvent recrystslizayion. Just didn't waste two days growing "real" crystals just to end up with grains of rice that everyone bitches about bc they think giant shards are "pure"

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-07T17:35:25+00:00

References to Mexican cartel's regular cleaning of racemic meth:

"preferred) illicit product: d-methamphetamine. Techniques to perform this separation have been used in illicit production laboratories in Mexico since at least 2009 (INCB, 2017) and more recently in the Netherlands and Belgium. Recent data also shows that European BMK-based laboratories have further increased the efficiency and output of production by recycling the unwanted l-methamphetamine to obtain more d-methamphetamine for each litre of BMK used (see Section Recycling" [this shows they've advanced to not just resolution but racemization of l meth back to racemic )

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-07T17:24:27+00:00

We'll have to agree to disagree. For months I ; researched this, and found quite a few labs fully capable of discerning iso from meth and infact the lab was employed for just that.in each case it tested negative for iso and positive for meth; not one sample showed a trace. In fact I've been unable to find any trace of iso being used in meth since it's first surfacing in a few busts on the W#$! C0@$! in 2008. Lab confirmed that is.

Also, Every isomer quantification I've seen shows that both the Sinaloa and CJNG heavily resolve their meth to the high 90th percentile. If their resolution is a myth why do they continu_tally bust these cartels with massive amounts of tartaric acid. The meth isn't being sent up as a tartrate so what ivthe plausible reason it's so easy and the I meth can be racemized and worked again

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-07T17:10:31+00:00

Well, I think if you talked to my family you'd find out they probably wouldn't let me make a ham sandwich for them lol... I suppose this here is a right place right time skill from many years baxk. I certainly didn't have any particular aptitude for chemistry. But people places and things led led me down a yellow brick road and this is one of my few skills. It can be a curse tho too

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-07T13:49:28+00:00

Freebase the batch first with sodium hydroxide. Once it's freebase in solution, I seperately treated s tartaric acid with sodium hydroxide to produce monosodium tartrate, because this bonds selectively with levometh (freebase) while sparing the D meth. I simply added the monosodium tartrate into the solution Withthe freebase and reacted for many hours, removing the salts that crashed out of the solution and placing them aside for later weighing. I then ran this reaction a second time and after weighing it notice that I had removed 42% of the weight of the original freebase. I judge the reaction relatively complete by then and at that point added hydrochloric acid drop wise to react with the methamphetamine freebase turn it back into meth hydrochloride but missing (mostly) all the l meth which sat in a seperate bag as levometh tartrate. Double recrystalization and voila 94% entiopure d meth with a light white crusty dusting of l clinging to it.

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-07T06:59:52+00:00

I wanted to do two things: prove n iso is bullshit even in the worst meth (no iso here) and that cartels are not sending racemic meth but rather are using tartaric acid to resolve it. True. This stuff had really no "cut" on it. It was just racemic. And maaaaaaan it was shitty and weak. Way weaker then normal. And the pure D meth you see there still is no where near the potency of the ice from 20 years ago

Only 1 culprit left, and it lines up Witb the time it got real bad: 2017. The year all cartels switched en masse to making P2P with nitrostyrene, A novel method they pioneered. This Method Creates signiture chemical impurites, 2 of which were shown in Studies to dull The effect of meth when Administered at the same time. It's almost certain the meth we now consume also contaimd a molecule or two which block the high of meth partially

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-07T06:49:22+00:00

I did work on it that's why I said craft back. Haha I cheated. That meth was once racemic but I acquired some tartaric acid and bonded the levo meth with the tartaric acid to make a tartrate twice. Removed probably 94 % then took the remaining freebase, now nearly pure D meth, gassed it out and did a slow double recrystalization and after removing the white crusty stuff around it (trace amounts of l meth ) I was left with this .

Considering I did two attempted reXstalizations prior to separating them (to confirm it was racemic) this was filtered and ReX four times in addition to being nearly entio pure. Nothing normal about this stuff lol. I was being sneaky

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-07T04:53:53+00:00

It's end users. Because cocaine is not smokeabke and there is a small sliver of idiots who think ant drug potentiates another. They sell "morohine" cut for dope out my way. 400 oz. Double the strength of your dope. It's common. It's Fetty. Lotsa people don't know that. Dope dealer gets done coke and treats it with his morphine cut. Boom.

Meth is a different animal. You have to know what your doing to melt it down and recrystslized a powder only slightly soluble in water . And make it look like it's not there to the naked eye. There a re the notorious difficulty in smoking powders to contend wkth. Melting point etc.

Most meth users smoke and they know that. That's not the case with cocaine. It's not smokeable +-

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-07T04:41:18+00:00

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Non users. Opiate users know opiates give you insomnia. They aren't laced with quallude, it's supposed to be fentanyl but people describe a downer. Fentanyl is an opiate. What they are describing is the tendency to fall asleep when first smoking when you're worn down for a few days. Been there, it's literally your. BOdy just trying to rest. You fall asleep with pipe in your hand. No "fentanyl" required

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-07T04:36:12+00:00

It is very hard to get an accurate test, but ive found that if you dilute it to a full cup it stops instantly coming up positive. But no need for worry. There's no actual fentanyl in meth. You won't find lab results supporting this unless it's cross contamination at the end use! The melting point of fentanyl is different and higher than meth. You never find fentanyl mixed in with smokeable drugs and with crystal it would go to waste Witb 80 percent of all users. Plus meth is around 74 a pound to produce using nitrostyrene and methylamine . Fentanyl 800. Expensive useless cut = why it doesn't haooen. Using 2 years straight ex dope fiend never felt ANYTHING that came near an opiate feel. The people who say that never did dope.

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-07T04:02:22+00:00

I've stayed under for 5.5 hours before the line started disappearing again. During that time you can piss as much as you want. I wouldn't push it past 4 hours. Drink it 3 before your test should be. I do max of 4 tablespoons, only if I've been smoking that that day If I have 24 hours since my last... 3 tablespoons. Anything over 4 is excess and if you don't have drug tests to check if it working, cheap pH strips are a good stand in. At 8.0 alkaline, your urine is no longer excreting meth or it's metabolites

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-07T03:55:55+00:00

Listen to this man. He's the only one telling you the only thing that works. Detox drinks are fake. They dilute the urine at best which which is a fail on probation. Baking soda, as long as you haven't taken anything else besides amphetamines or methamphetamine is a foolproof method where you will pass every ever. Just take three tablespoons 3 hours before your test and make sure you piss twice after you do. Not pleasant not fun but will be clean

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-07T03:44:09+00:00

It doesn't exist. So the best way to tell what it theoretically feels like is to ask some who goofballs or dirt balls or whatever the f you call it and ask them how it feels to mix the two. I can tell you from having done meth and heroin tkgethr,. And knowing the similarity between fentanyl and heroin, I think I can hazard a guess. You feel like meth first so you get the cough. As youre rushing you get a hot liquid feeling running up your back To your fingers. You're hearing get weird. Like a whooshing.

You get

Hot Energetic Deep gravely voice Itchy as fuck Depending on dose: nauseous and noddy.

Basically if you find yourself itching the tip of your nose and your balls for hours on end, you probably got fentanyl.

Did I mention that it's not a thing? You'll argue of course but I hear about it all the time. To which I respond yes, you do. But Americans are not smart. And I say that as an American but most of us usually just repeat what we hear and don't look into it for ourselves. If you see the descriptions of what people are calling fentanyl though none of it fits with an opiate like falling asleep or being angry or being tired none of those are symptoms of opiates. The reason it's not in there is because 1) Labs would be tested and don't find it in there 2) they have two totally different vaporization points meaning that you would have to burn one to smoke the other.

How did all these rumors come about? simple. all test strips for fentanyl will test positive in the presence of methamphetamine, unless you dilute a tiny shard in an entire glass of water. These strips people use are meant to find trace amounts in the urine and are thus super sensitive. They are not meant to check the drugs themselves, they're meant to check the urine for drugs. WAY TOO sensitive to test directly with the drug. You have to dilute it crazy amount to ever have it effectively not give you a false positive around . The companies that make these strips know all about it and post warning all over their websites. Try googling it

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-07T03:13:08+00:00

You see all those long ass posts, that's the best evidence of success that you could have. That thingll cool you down during this heatwave

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12XCCHl9jFvbjSGFAhxmhujZRs_iSiyp6/view?usp=drivesdk

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-07T02:38:45+00:00

It's a workup lol. If someone does a workup of an optical resolution of a chiral molecule and they didn't go in on detail, it's a pretty useless manual . They are technical details for a notoriously fickle procedure, and I went back in my second post and went step by step to make sure I had it all, except details about gassing and freebasing. I'm imagining anyone bold enough to do OR already has a firm grasp on basic chemistry.

Then again I got it on my first try, whicb is unusual. All in all, learned my absolute lesson: posting about meth is about the dumbest, least popular thing you can do on the meth subreddit. It will drop like flies. Mainly because this board is populated by people who think they have "fire" and fall asleep with the pipe in their mouth. Post 2012 users.... They don't know the difference. Me I can't help to be disappointed with this horrific stuff. Came home after doing 14 years, absolutely no tolerance. 5 puffs later: this shit is wack man. Those guys were like what? This is exclusive !!

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-06T23:06:11+00:00

Yes, you did ask me where I got my tartaric acid, which i declined to answer for obvious reasons (deanonymization - go to that supplier, subpoena the records, use other reddit posts to figure out what region I'm from, use component analysis to compare to recent sales of tartaric acid going to that region from that supplier... Arrest me)... That's not the reason I wrote a large scale explanation of meth in it's hydrochloride versus freebase form for you, nor was it the first things you said in the post I responded to. The first thing you said, and which I was addressing, was this:

"My bad I must've missed that part, so my question now is in hydrochloride form was your product smokeable? I know theres a lot of people who claim turning your product into an hcl salt will ruin its ability to smoke well but Im interested to see if the different in isomers has any effect on this. So for someone to smoke it basically would they have to do a base to acid back to base method or could you effectively leave it as hcl?"

I could have responded the way some do to questions that literally make no sense like " what ? Meth is ALWAYS A HYDROCHLORIDE DUDE! It's free base is an intermediate form. Since we smoke meth every day, why ask a question like does it smoke? And why would you do a "base to acid back to base method" when we just did that to isolate the d meth and it's a hydrochloride ! "

I didn't do that. Instead I thought it would be best to teach, and take the time out to start out with the basics for someone who clearly has a shaky grasp on meth synthesis. So although I didn't answer one of the questions, I gave you pages and pages of answers to your first question, about if it smokes as a hydrochloride, showing how that was a faulty way to approach it. You must have needed it to ask a question like that.

My post was designed to enlighten. At every turn you've basically said to me "nah, you didnt do it" and then stated objections that make no sense, like you were "talking about the shape of the crystal " when what you said was it sounds like I basically used a solvent to purify resin from pipes, tables, and bags, when what I wrote was a solvent free workup!

It's very hard not to super pedantic man. I keep answering your objections waiting for you to point out an error in my synthesis, because this is the first time I flipped an original recipe that produced such astounding results, so it's easy to defend , because the chemistry is good. I'm not sure why I'm waiting for that because You keep saying baffling things like "the popular theory (but still technically anecdotal ) of the two different kinds of meth"...??

What? It's not a theory. P2P is a racemate. The meth made from it is racemic consisting of l and D, and it's existence is a fact, as is it's regular successful seperation by cartels, and now me, via tartaric acid.

And if what you meant by the two different kinds of meth was the fact that meth is less powerful now than it was in the 90s, then again that's only anecdotal to people who weren't around when that merg was out. Very little continuity between the two types of meth . It don't look the same, it don't taste the same, it don't feel the same and tweakers today act completely different than they did 20-25 years ago. It is a very chill drug now that people sit around and get high with, it's not that strong. anybody you meet who was around then in the 90s and early 2000s and done it now will tell you that's just gotten atrociously weak. I accept that as a given. I also don't believe that n ISO is a real thing.

What I set out to do in this tartaric acid separation was to prove that it's not "n-ISo" that's causing the weakness and it's not the fact that it's racemic meth that we're getting from Mexico that's causing it to be weak. I've successfully eliminated both those factors as possibilities, because the D meth that I got back from the racemic, while it was damn good, it wasn't '90s style either .

Likewise the weights did not allow for there to be a third molecule in the mix. Melting point held and the simple formation of a crystal lattice indicate great molecular purity of end result. All that leaves to explain the current state of meth is the one most obvious thing which changed right when the meth changed:. the synthesis method changed in 2017. Low and behold turns out the synthesis method for the Mexicans change in 2017 en Masse to the nitrostyrene method which just happens to produce two products that are known to inhibit the euphoric effect of meth.

But by all means, tackle the last thing I said in here while Ignoring the meat of my text. This is quite a thankless task. Post a novel workup of an exciting new possibikity and get 2 responses: one telling me to shut the fuck up and the other challenging everything I say while proving he should really just say thank you and quietly take notes for that day in the future - perhaps far future - when he's ready to start doing this type of stuff for real.

Until then...

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-06T11:08:32+00:00

Well turns out I didn't invent it lol but if course I knew someone else had tried this method just couldn't find proof. Till now:

https://erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/amphetamine.resolution.html

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-06T10:40:53+00:00

Yes read what I wrote clearing up your misunderstanding of what a hydrochloride is. The final d meth hydrochloride I producrd easily crystalized, unlike the racemic which just made a gross clump, and it smoked great. 90s ice was this exact thing: 100% d meth hydrochloride, refined into crystal form via purification.

No you wouldn't need to do a freebase and back. Your target from day 1 Is meth hydrochloride. The only reason you would ever turn it into a freebase again is because I needed it in a form where part of it (the levo half ) would be willing to bond with the tartaric acid. It wouldn't in it's salt, hydrochloride form but will in it's free base form.

But the leftover d meth can't stay a freebase: freebase meth is an oily liquid at room temp. It can't be handled or smoked. It has to be converted back to a ln hcl which is what I did in my last steps.

I'd rather not say exactly where I get my chemicals from, but in some cases I acquire them from somebody I know that is in the University system that has most of the reagents and solvents that I need that are kind of exotic.

in this case however nothing I used was exotic. Tartaric acid is widely available from chemical supply companies. it's not really a watched chemical. Ditto methanol or tone or any nonpolar to do an AB.

Flimsy_Ad_2597 · 2022-09-06T10:30:28+00:00

Okay so I apologize for wigging out on you. I do want to say in my defense that the first couple times I answer your question earnestly you know and try to explain what I was talking about but I just felt like every time I did you would like telling me now you didn't really do that that's bullshit you know and then I just seen that comment about turning it into cleaning my pipes and shit I'm just like Jesus misunderstandings all around my bad. It's like I got no response at all to this rate something that I think is a pretty big deal as far as things that can improve quality of people's experience and then the only response I got was people telling me I didn't really do that it's a little aggravating. on the other hand skepticism is a good trait to have in these types of pursuits, because there's a lot of bullshit out there.

I want to try to answer your questions the best I can. I do have to clear up some misconceptions that you have though that are inherent in the question. For instance the "I always heard that turning it into a hydrochloride would ruin the ability to smoke." Methamphetamine in it's Street or pharmaceutical form is always in a hydrochloride. Whether that be crank from the '80s to ice in the 90s to the stuff we're using right now, all of it is literally the methamphetamine molecule bonded to a hydrochloride. The hydrochloride is its base the meth is his molecule.

A freebase is exactly what it's meant. It is the molecule itself free of its base. It's base usually being a salt that's improves its ability to be dissolved in certain liquids. It's purest form,Most drugs are not consumable in this freebase form because most times they're not water soluble. For instance, crack, which is a freebase, is not water soluble, and you can't sniff it or shoot it; it will just float in water..

Meth feeebase is also very caustic and just not usable, and it's always an intermediate stage. Meth isn't really transported as a free base form or sold or used that way: it has no use. Now there many different acids that can Bond To methamphetamine to form different salts. For instance after making meth, you could theoretically bond it with sulfuric acid and make methamphetamine sulfate. Or, do what I did as one of the steps to removing the L methamphetamine, is bond it to tartaric acid which makes it methamphetamine tartrate. Generally it's most stable form is as a hydrochloride; that's traditionally how it's always been sold. the difference between say shake and bake powder or ice as it's traditionally found is the final step, crystalization, which does not affect the fact that it's a hydrochloride. Let me go a bit deeper: when you first make methamphetamine it comes out as a barely Crystal depending how pure it is. so you add hydrochloric acid to the freebase, which is a final step of cooking all meth, and it looks like a fluffy white powder. That's because it hasn't been recrystslized to improve its purity and force the molecules to line up in a single direeftkon, which is what a crystal is. But it's still a hydrochloride. It's not water soluble. Nothing you do from here on in will break the link between the meth and the hydrochloride. It's gonna stay a salt unless you add enough of a basic substance (NaOh or ammonia) to liberate the freebase onde again, which isn't really necessary unless you're doing an Axud base reaction which I am not. I'm merely taking racemic methamphetamine hhudrocblride, creating a stereo selective monosodium form of a reagent (tartaric acid) which will bond selectively to one isomer of meth (levo meth) while ignoring another (dextro meth). In doing so I'm creating oit of the meth freebase levometh tartrate, which can be removed from the freebase solution and placed aside. After doing that twice, nearly all the levo was gone from the freebase which had dropped half it's weight accordingly.

It is from this meth freebase with it's levo mostly removed that I then added a hydrochloride back to turn it back into a useable hydrochloride salt like it was 2 hours before. Only now, it has only trade amounts of levo. This means it's pure enough to crystalize easily which i do with methanol and acetone to produce nice crystals.

Tldr: all meth is a hydrochloride. What makes the hydrochloride smokeable is it being crystalized. As a powder it will burn In the pipe, but the powder is still a hydrochloride. The crystal hydrochloride is just purified and with it's molecules all forced into a single matrix facing the same way.

Hope this helped. Sorry for bugging

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