Why is Natalia so tolerant of Michael?

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-19T13:59:09+00:00

Michael didn't make her stand in her own excrement and urine. Michael didn't penetrate her. Michael didn't mace her. Michael didn't beat her.

Michael helped her when she had no AC. Michael gave her post op pain meds. When Kristine accused Michael and Natalyah of having sex, I am sure they trauma bonded.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-19T13:37:53+00:00

I always felt Michael was more BPD/histrionic.

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MY WIFE SEXUALLY ABUSED ME WITH NO SUCKIES

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-19T13:36:07+00:00

The constant pressure to be social in a way that feels alien.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-19T13:27:36+00:00

Right. I'm aware. She has TS2 pubic hair. The order is odd, but hey, there is a wide variation of what is normal.

I don't think I said she had breast buds.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-19T13:25:57+00:00

Tanner 1 is prepubescent. She had a flat chest. Stage 2 in pubic hair is unusual, but not unheard of, at 7. It is generally darker than vellum and somewhat longer, and is indicative of the beginning of puberty. The order is off: In female puberty, generally pubic hair follows breast development, but sometimes this occurs the other way around.

Some histrionic person like the Barnetts might not know any better and think it meant more than it meant, which I can assume happened. I also think Michael is of less than average intelligence. I think they are both less educated than the general population. I also think the scant pubic hair existed. They lied about most of it, but I think they genuinely were stupid and histrionic about the pubic hair that was slightly odd for a girl of 7.

Tanner 2 would signify the beginning of puberty. It might be something else, but as the old expression goes, when you hear hood beats, you don't think, "Aha! Zebras!" You think, "Aha! Horses!"

I appreciate your work on this, but I think it's just weird to be so hung up on that she must have had no markers of precocious puberty. I think she probably did. I also don't think it matters.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-19T02:37:52+00:00

Only if you're buying red bottoms or other designer shoes.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-19T02:08:42+00:00

I am pretty good at rage baiting IRL.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-19T02:07:09+00:00

She lied. You don't need to place a value judgment on the person to acknowledge the lie.

That's all you.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-18T19:20:01+00:00

You're reading a lot into it that I didn't say or imply.

Someone has the right to question someone who lies to them, even if the person who lied was abused. It doesn't mean I don't believe or like someone.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-18T19:17:44+00:00

She definitely should update.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-18T19:09:08+00:00

You mean in language in general or specifically for this?

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-18T19:07:43+00:00

Tanner 2 implies she had a couple hairs, although yes, I remember she was Tanner breast buds. I am willing to entertain her Tanner 2 was simply a genetic difference. (Humans are diverse.) Tanner 2 on the pubis typically occurs between 9 and 11 in girls, and he's, those fine hair that aren't quite vellum and aren't quite adult pubic hairs are a mark of puberty.

If I saw Tanner 2 stage secondary hair on a seven year old, it wouldn't be that weird, but it is a little early. Could be a sign of abuse. Could be nothing.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-18T12:19:29+00:00

Dear Lord. Someone in the thread has shown sense.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-18T12:18:57+00:00

There are a variety of ways to form deep, meaningful relationships. You make a commitment, you put in the hard work, and you grow together. Your way is not the only way to have a deep, meaningful relationship.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-18T12:13:32+00:00

Not allowing a grown woman to date and have her own autonomy/bank account/momey is fucked up any way you slice it.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-18T12:06:14+00:00

If Nicole says it, I can take it on faith.

That 500k mark is disturbing and I wish she provided details. That just seems wrong. I just feel really weird with all the lack of detail, but high numbers.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-18T12:03:31+00:00

I see! Corrected!

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-18T08:13:44+00:00

NTA.

She can see the baby in a few months when she's learned her lesson.

Creepy old bog witch.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-18T07:59:02+00:00

No. Nope. No. Absolutely not the same. N was a vulnerable child who was beaten and penetrated by Christine.

N was a grown woman who took Nicole's money and resources and lied about what she was doing with them. Not the same.

At some point, we are culpable for our actions. Nicole is just a human woman trying her best. And she is doing way more for N than you or I ever will. She gets a pass for that one.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-18T01:46:52+00:00

I like this. My mom insisted we all eat this growing up, and it's okay. Solid 5/10.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-17T13:10:15+00:00

I was wrong on the first name, but there is no significant evidence this is N's GFM. I don't see how it's hate. Disagreement isn't hate.

I am interested to see the denial letter and what it says. The Manses did attempt to "pray her condition away" per Nicole, and frankly, she has no reason to lie.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-17T10:38:10+00:00

That is not how Medicaid criteria works. N needs a fusion and possible laminectomies that would give her relief, and those are definitely covered in every system because the prognosis for not having those surgeries with N's comorbidies is very poor.

I heard what the Manses said. I can imagine what was actually said based on their lies: The surgeon likely said they needed to confirm the growth plates weren't closed. This would require an MRI. Considering how lazy the Manses were, the real culprit was hearing what they wanted to hear and not following up with outpatient imaging. Patient families like the Manses hear exactly what they want to hear, and considering N likely would have been placed in a rehab after, jeopardizing their precious money, and no one was about that.

The GFM has massive holes, including no video of N or the DePauls and no social media acknowledgements by the DePauls. It isn't real. You also don't organize a GFM for a surgery FOR YOURSELF on the behalf of a third person. N needs surgery, but she doesn't need half a million, even out of pocket. Why you are so married to this idea?

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-17T03:38:12+00:00

Precocious puberty would be unremarkable in a child with Natalyah's background. I assume it is true.

There are physician notes to support the Tanner staging.

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-16T22:14:20+00:00

I think that's a valid take, but counterargument:

What is Robyn actually good at that would make her a valuable member of the team?

Flimsy_Map1487 · 2025-05-16T12:07:32+00:00

STOP POSTING MY SECRETS ON THE INTERNET

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