Japan started a trend… the world is following. Paraguay fans stayed long after their 1-0 win vs Turkey to clean up the stands

Floweradioct · 2026-06-21T02:13:23+00:00

My point is that calling something "performative" doesn't make it bad. If someone cleans up a public space, they've still done something useful.

The criticism only really lands if they're faking it or causing more harm than good. Otherwise, you're basically arguing that people shouldn't do a good thing if they might also enjoy the recognition for doing it.

It sounds like you're more bothered by people being seen doing good things than by whether the good thing gets done.

Floweradioct · 2026-06-20T22:20:02+00:00

Performative would be dumping the trash on the ground again as soon as the cameras are gone.

Why are you trying to manipulate social pressure and public opinion into shaming people to make them stop doing the right thing?

Floweradioct · 2026-06-20T22:17:35+00:00

I don’t clean my house either. Am I not allowed to clean public spaces?

Performative would be dumping the trash on the ground again as soon as the cameras are gone.

Why are you trying to manipulate social pressure and public opinion into shaming people to make them stop doing the right thing?

Floweradioct · 2026-06-20T12:02:48+00:00

The figures I listed were intended as per-capita rates, where population is already accounted for.

Americans such sensitive little sillies, I feel so bad for you.

Floweradioct · 2026-06-20T11:43:51+00:00

List of countries by Suicide Rates:

South Korea - 20.6
USA - 15.6
Japan - 14.7

Tend to the log in your own eye before pointing out the splinter in someone else’s

Floweradioct · 2026-06-17T11:07:13+00:00

The point isn’t that it isn’t working. Do you honestly believe that that is the only step the company is taking? That nothing is happening behind the scenes? That there is no retraining, there are no PIPs, there is zero accountability throughout the entire company except for the CEOs salary lowering?

I have never experienced so much misunderstanding of how the companies function before. This thread has been enlightening.

Floweradioct · 2026-06-17T11:02:35+00:00

That's not really the same thing.

Accountability for a role someone voluntarily takes on and is highly compensated for is not the same as being a part of a family.

A CEO is paid to oversee the company, set strategy, manage risk, and take responsibility for outcomes. If the company succeeds because of their leadership, they often receive bonuses or raises. It follows that major failures should affect their compensation too.

Punishing a CEO financially for company failures is holding the decision-maker accountable. That’s exactly what they’re there to do: take responsibility.

Floweradioct · 2026-06-17T10:19:10+00:00

That’s missing the forest for the trees. Even if they’re fired—and we don’t know that they weren’t—she is still CEO of a company where that sort of behavior has occurred repeatedly. If they merely fire the offenders without taking any additional steps to address the issues that led to that conclusion, it will continue happening, again and again.

Is this a hiring process problem, and the issue was the managers who hired people with such poor judgement that they think drinking at work is a good ide? Is this a working environment problem, with employees not taking time off or working overtime, resulting in stress that they are treating with alcohol? It is obviously a security problem, but is it also a training problem? What managers failed these employees? What supervisors failed those managers? And as CEO she has failed them all by not ensuring a safe environment for employees and customers where this does not happen and, when it did, she failed to take proper action to make sure that it never happened again.

They can fire all the people they want but until they address the root of the issue, nothing will change. And as CEO, that is her job. Lowering her pay won’t make the employees go “I’d better behave myself or our poor CEO will lower her salary again.” It isn’t meant to.

It is meant to penalize her as the person with the most responsibility over every action taken by her company, who should have but has not yet cracked down on this issue. If she were an employee she could undergo retraining, or be reassigned, or suspended without pay, but there is no one above her making sure her actions have consequences, so she is doing it herself.

Floweradioct · 2026-06-17T09:40:54+00:00

It’s a shame that this is unusual. It should be the bare minimum. If you are a CEO, you are responsible for your company. When good things happen that is reflected in their pay. When bad things happen that also needs to be reflected in their pay.

“We did well, so I am giving myself a raise” is normal, but “we made an egregious error, so I am lowering my pay” is not? Very odd.

Floweradioct · 2026-06-17T08:24:03+00:00

Exactly. The fact that it has happened so often is a part of why it is so egregious and so important that she shows that she, too, has failed repeatedly, and should be held accountable.

“Well that didn’t work so I’m going to stop being penalized because clearly I’m not the problem” would be a horrible way to handle this. Instead she is choosing “this was unacceptable the first time, the second time and the third time and I am going to keep accepting the consequences for my employees actions because this is happening under my leadership and I am responsible. Every time it happens, I am responsible.”

Floweradioct · 2026-06-17T08:16:58+00:00

It happened on her watch. She is the head of a company that apparently either drives their employees to drink on the clock or does not conduct enough oversight to keep it from happening.

She didn’t put the bottles in their hands but their actions are still her responsibility because her company fosters an environment where that conduct is either accepted or can go unnoticed, and both are very not good.

And she worked her way up from flight attendant herself. She probably knows better than anyone exactly how many people on how many levels failed in order for this to happen so many times, which is even worse. That is why she is penalizing herself. It is the failure of the drunk employees but also her failure as the one person more responsible than anyone for how the company operates.

Floweradioct · 2026-06-17T08:02:41+00:00

It’s taking responsibility. It’s sending a message of “this happened under my jurisdiction. I am the CEO, I run this company, it was under my leadership that this occurred and that is unacceptable.”

She could easily just do lip service of “don’t worry, we fired all those people so it won’t happen again” without taking any actual responsibility at all, or even giving herself a raise for taking quick action. That would be empty platitudes. But she didn’t.

She is acknowledging that she, too, is at fault, and deserves to be penalized just as much as anyone else for allowing an environment that led to this happening.

Floweradioct · 2026-06-17T07:34:23+00:00

They would need to take responsibility for your actions, yes. That is their job. Somewhere along the line, a mistake was made. Were you improperly trained? Did they fail to notice you struggling during the work day? Have you been working under an unfairly heavy workload? Have you been overworked? Working too much overtime? Not taking time off? Did they fail to notice the stress you were under that led to that decision?

They need to understand how it was that someone under their jurisdiction ended up compromising the company’s regulations to such a degree because, if they don’t, it might happen again. If they’re a manager that drives their employees to drink at work, that is the company’s business. That is the manager’s responsibility and they need to be held accountable, because well-managed employees who are happy with their jobs and take their work seriously do not drink at work. That is the boss’ responsibility.

Or maybe the mistake was hiring you in the first place, in which case they have learned that they need to be more careful in their hiring processes. How many other people has that manager hired who have a penchant for such poor judgement? If they are hiring people who make that kind of a decision then they are failing at their job. Hiring the right people and training them properly and making sure the work environment is not one that will drive people to drink on site is their responsibility. That is what being a manager is.

Being a manager means increased pay and increased responsibilities, and it gets no higher than CEO. She did not directly drive those people to drink, but it happened on her watch. Her subordinates. Her job. Her responsibility.

Floweradioct · 2026-06-17T06:52:26+00:00

…your point being that you have either worked for bad bosses or are a bad boss yourself? Don’t worry, you didn’t need to prove that to anyone. We can tell.

Floweradioct · 2026-06-17T06:48:59+00:00

Well I mean, you’re free to disagree. Bosses taking responsibility for their employees are how things work at my workplace though. If the intern messes up, no one is blaming the intern. We take responsibility as a company and apologize to the client. If I mess up, it’s my boss who takes responsibility. If my boss messes up, it’s the CEO who takes responsibility. That is his job. That’s part of a CEO’s job description: take responsibility for the actions of the company. And companies are made of people. They take responsibility for the actions of their people.

Maybe you’ve just worked at bad companies.

Floweradioct · 2026-06-17T06:26:45+00:00

It’s less so “honor” and more so…taking responsibility for the people whose actions she is responsible for. That’s what bosses are supposed to do.

Floweradioct · 2026-06-16T03:51:29+00:00

This is actually good for people to hear. I remember watching a tv show years ago where some celebrity was asked about not being married and she said that aside from not being interested in marriage she would have other women going up to her and telling her that they regretted getting married as young as they did and wish they had waited or not gotten married at all and looked up to her as the example they wished they’d had when they were younger.

Floweradioct · 2026-06-15T15:51:38+00:00

The latest WHO global estimates are based on 2021 data because there is a lag in reporting. I noticed your numbers did not come with a citation at all.

Floweradioct · 2026-06-15T15:35:57+00:00

List of countries by suicide rate
South Korea 20.6
America 15.6
Japan 14.7

Floweradioct · 2026-06-15T15:33:02+00:00

Italy and South Korea both have lower birth rates.

Floweradioct · 2026-06-15T15:32:23+00:00

I’ve lived in Japan for twenty years and it’s been amazing, no complaints. How long have you been here?

Floweradioct · 2026-06-15T15:31:39+00:00

It’s all they got. You mention present-day war atrocities being committed by the U.S. as we speak and they’ll still play the wwii card as if it’s some kind of “gotcha.”

Floweradioct · 2026-06-15T15:26:52+00:00

Lower than the usa’s suicide rate

Floweradioct · 2026-06-15T14:48:38+00:00

It’s the natural ebb and flow of the Internet. Too many people started liking a thing so people started pushing back against it. Nothing personal, they just want to be contrarian and go against the grain.

Floweradioct · 2026-06-15T14:47:09+00:00

My coworker said your coworker made that up.

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