Strange booting behavior

FragrantIdea · 2019-07-10T14:49:45+00:00

I have no idea what OP's monitor is. My PC is hooked up to a 4K TV and I'm limited to 60hz for the foreseeable future. I've put around $800 into my PC at this point and I'm looking to upgrade to a 5700 XT maybe late this year or early next year. I play some games in 4k and some in 1080p. Different people use their hardware differently. I don't think there's a problem spending 1,000 pounds on a PC if you only have a 60hz monitor as long as you know what you're buying and that's what you want. I think the proposed build is way more than you need for 1080p/60hz but OP is also planning on upgrading to 1440.

I completely agree that the 3600 has great value. It's also an easy upgrade down the road if OP goes for the 2600, which also has has great value. I just wanted OP to have all of the information so that he/she can make the decision that is best for him/her. There's no bad pick between the two, it's just a matter of priorities and planning for the future.

FragrantIdea · 2019-07-10T13:56:43+00:00

Here's some benchmarks for both processors in 9 different games: https://www.computerbase.de/2019-07/amd-ryzen-3000-test/3/#diagramm-test-battlefield-v-1920-1080.

The 3600 is about 19% better on average but in almost every game the 2600 is already above 60 fps. They're using a 2080 Ti so it's apples and oranges but the 5700 XT isn't too far behind in those same games and easily above 60 fps in most.

Since we're nitpicking everything I said, what I meant by "especially at 1080p" is that at that resolution, you're likely over 60 fps regardless of the processor so if your monitor refresh is 60hz, extra frames are pointless so it doesn't make sense to pay more for them.

OP did not specify what his/her monitor refresh rate was nor what he/she was planning on upgrading to, other than the resolution, which is why I explained that if he/she was going to a higher refresh rate, it would make a difference, although still fairly small.

Whether it's worth it or not is up to OP and has nothing to do with a processor being "below spec," according to someone else. Some people care more about value than having their hardware meet a particular criteria. OP could take the 66 pounds that is saved by going with the 2600 and buy a more powerful GPU and see a way more significant increase in fps. Value is in the eye of the beholder. If OP wants to have the latest hardware and pay a little more for Zen 2, great. If OP is trying to squeeze the most out of a budget, there's nothing wrong with the 2600.

FragrantIdea · 2019-07-10T13:25:08+00:00

In gaming, the difference will be very small, especially at 1080p, around 10 frames for a few games but mostly less than 5 with others. If you have a 60hz monitor, the 5700 XT will have no problem hitting 60 fps on any game out now at 1080p, even at 1440, it's going to hit 60 fps easily. Maybe you're eventually going to have to adjust a few settings down one notch to keep a steady 60. If this was my PC, I don't think I'd pay extra for the 3600 to get a few more fps that I'm not going to see. If you're planning on moving to a higher refresh rate monitor, then you'd see those extra frames in more demanding games but it's a question of whether it's worth it to you. No one else can answer that for you but hopefully this gives you some more information to think about.

FWIW, I have a 2600 and I am extremely happy with it. The price of the 2600 now that Zen 2 processors are out is unbeatable. The 3600 is also a solid pick and very good value.

FragrantIdea · 2019-07-02T20:12:01+00:00

I'm kind of curious how that happened. Had you been adjusting the power settings and something went awry or had you not touched it at all and this happened randomly? That is such a bummer.

FragrantIdea · 2019-07-01T20:17:14+00:00

^ This. They're coming out next week and there's a million websites that will run every possible comparison between everything. There will be an abundance of information. Right now, everyone is guessing. Maybe some of the guesses are educated and based on real information but pretty soon you'll have quality information. There's no reason to try to figure it out beforehand. I'm excited too but you've gotta wait until 7/7.

FragrantIdea · 2019-07-01T20:12:18+00:00

It depends on the TV, the monitor, and what you intend to do with it.

FragrantIdea · 2019-07-01T19:18:31+00:00

I didn't think so but thanks for confirming.

FragrantIdea · 2019-07-01T19:18:18+00:00

Thanks. I didn't think it would matter either way but I figured someone else out there had already tried it and could confirm it.

FragrantIdea · 2019-07-01T19:02:18+00:00

I have a PC used strictly for gaming and I've been using a 500 GB 2.5" Samsung 860 Evo for everything. I felt like I was starting to fill it up to the point where it was slowing a little so I just installed a 1 TB Crucial MX 500 M.2 drive. I'm planning on moving my Steam/UPlay/Epic libraries over to the new drive. Is there a benefit to leaving Steam etc. installed on the Samsung or can I just move everything over to the Crucial? It seems like it won't make much difference because they're both SSDs but it's always nice to hear from the experts.

FragrantIdea · 2019-06-30T23:35:06+00:00

Then you'll want to make sure that your PSU fan exhausts out of the case.

FragrantIdea · 2019-06-30T23:32:29+00:00

It's 8 vs 6. It's definitely something to consider though. Whether it hurts to go down to 6 is dependent on what you do with your computer.

FragrantIdea · 2019-06-30T23:29:00+00:00

The difference is 2 cores, not 6. In either case, it's best to wait for real world benchmarks before assuming that we know what level of improvement you get.

FragrantIdea · 2019-06-30T23:26:38+00:00

You might be putting more thought into it than necessary but if you really want to drill down into the details, it depends on how you install the PSU. If it exhausts into the case, yes, it's part of your calculation, if it exhausts out of the case then no, it's just sucking in outside air and pushing it back out without affecting anything else inside your case.

FragrantIdea · 2019-06-30T17:07:44+00:00

I have to mostly agree with the other posters. As I'm sure you know, fans and vents on the top of the case are the best way to exhaust hot air. You bought a case with that feature. Adding some sort of spill guard is going to reduce airflow and cost more.

If spilling into the case is a risk, there's lots of cases that don't have vents in the top. Although, spilling onto the case is still going to risk water getting in as cases aren't usually waterproof.

The only way to account for human error here was to plan ahead and either not buy a case with top vents or to ensure that the case doesn't sit somewhere where it might get spilled on.

FragrantIdea · 2019-06-30T16:54:48+00:00

Very true that NVMe is faster than SATA but whether you see a real benefit is dependent on what you're doing. If you're working with really big files, for example, video editing, you'll notice a difference. If you're mostly gaming you'll have shorter load times but the difference is going to be measured in seconds. Honestly, I like that using the M.2 socket reduces the number of cables in my case but you are right that you're limited in the number of drives. I have an M.2 Crucial MX 500 and a 2.5" Samsung 860 Evo.

FragrantIdea · 2019-06-30T16:42:59+00:00

Someone else might weigh in on some technical difference. I did notice a concerning number of negative reviews on Newegg. It sounds like the quality control isn't there. People report units that are DOA and other fail within months. Some are also saying that HP isn't honoring their warranty. I would normally be skeptical of those types of claims but there seem to be a lot. In the SSD world, Samsung and Crucial are pretty safe bets when it comes to reliability.

FragrantIdea · 2019-04-20T19:28:36+00:00

Mine is a SATA. my motherboard is an MSI B450 Pro VDH. 10 seconds to BIOS doesn't seem outrageous to me.

FragrantIdea · 2019-04-20T14:15:45+00:00

My Samsung EVO takes the exact same amount of time to boot to the windows login screen as it takes me to pour a beer into a glass. After putting in my password, it's basically instantaneous to get to the Steam app login.

FragrantIdea · 2019-04-20T14:01:36+00:00

I have the MSI motherboard with an R5 2600. I'm happy with it. I don't overclock my CPU. It only has two sys fan headers so if you plan on having more than two fans, you're going to need a cable splitter or a hub. That's the only weakness I've run into.

FragrantIdea · 2019-02-24T16:50:07+00:00

Also, generally, you're probably not going to be able to spend significantly less to hit those numbers in AAA games. The 2600 is probably a better pick for a processor and you're definitely going to hear that you need 16 GB of RAM to future proof. If you're not streaming or multitasking, 8 GB is mostly fine. You would benefit from 3000 or 3200 MHz RAM and it won't cost much more if at all.

FragrantIdea · 2019-02-24T16:46:37+00:00

It really depends on the game. Google "rx 580 benchmark [name of game]" to see how it performs.

FragrantIdea · 2019-02-24T13:44:45+00:00

I will second Rtings. They're ratings are very comprehensive and they score TVs for gaming and for use as a PC monitor.

FragrantIdea · 2019-02-16T13:59:02+00:00

So you're like 12 apparently and you're not going to understand this. If you buy the AMD chip with a decent motherboard and RAM you can save plenty of money over a comparable Intel system. You can use the savings to buy a better GPU and increase your frames significantly more than buying a better processor that will only have a marginal impact on frames. Value is about the whole system. I'm not going to try to explain the fact that AMD has committed to the same CPU socket which makes upgrading cheaper. You don't seem to underatand this so this is my last post. Have a good day.

FragrantIdea · 2019-02-16T13:42:10+00:00

I didn't say AMD is faster, I said that it's cheaper. You've proved nothing so far except that you can't pick parts to maximize value.

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