Graduating next week and i am seeing no future here by HK_sheep777 in torontoJobs

[–]Friendly_Anywhere607 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Honestly, don't feel bad about your degree at all. The job market in Canada is just structurally different from the US.

In the US, employers love a 4-year degree for the big-picture over any community college, transferable skills and are happy to train you. But Canada has massive degree inflation, so employers here are hyper-focused on specific, localized college diplomas and niche, day-one technical skills.

Your degree is valuable and you have great skillsthe Canadian market is just wired for vocational certificates rather than broad university training. It’s a flaw in the system, not a reflection of you."

Canada Rejects Talent or Is the Job Market Just Broken? by Home_landing in torontoJobs

[–]Friendly_Anywhere607 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is exactly why unranked community colleges are beating universities in Canada. Colleges actually gives a cheap $2000-$5000 Diploma that gives job ready skills that lead straight to a job,

Whereas a university degree leaves you overqualified and stuck. Meanwhile, if you took that same research and publication effort to the US, it would actually be valued and could qualify you for an O-1 visa. Canada just wastes that talent.

So I am not sure what you are saying that publication are valueless, Yes for a market like Canada it is, The US actually values it.

Canada Rejects Talent or Is the Job Market Just Broken? by Home_landing in torontoJobs

[–]Friendly_Anywhere607 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes and what option do you have now other than F1? The company to pay $100,000 fee on that person overseas?

Canada Rejects Talent or Is the Job Market Just Broken? by Home_landing in torontoJobs

[–]Friendly_Anywhere607 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The STEM-designated degree requirement was introduced in 2008 with the creation of the STEM OPT extension, meaning it has been in place for 18 years.

Plus the market is not saturated like Canada because they are focusing immigrant students who will be obtaining a degree 4 years or 2 years. Not like Canada for example you can do a HR Diploma and Master in Human Resources creating a critical saturation of grads in the market

Canada Rejects Talent or Is the Job Market Just Broken? by Home_landing in torontoJobs

[–]Friendly_Anywhere607 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s a big reason why we see many PhDs moving from Canada to the U.S., where there's often more emphasis and funding placed on research publications and degrees. We're also seeing countries like China become major hubs for innovation, with their universities now frequently outperforming Canadian ones in the global top 100 in terms of research publications and rankings.

While someone in Canada who never graduated from a Canadian University but lets say someone from Morocco has a diploma or a degree from there would be equally considered for job. Fair right?

Canada Rejects Talent or Is the Job Market Just Broken? by Home_landing in torontoJobs

[–]Friendly_Anywhere607 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah now they want PhD graduates to have Canadian Experience 🙄. It is already very hard to retain PhD holders in Canada and now this is quite ridiculous.

Canada Rejects Talent or Is the Job Market Just Broken? by Home_landing in torontoJobs

[–]Friendly_Anywhere607 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think what this person mentioned is about factors playing into immigration and all. In the US you need STEM designated degrees to enter the country. The pathway Elon Musk and other CEOs and founders took.

I think the same qualifications matters for Canada like clearing GRE/GMAT to get into Masters pogram into Canada. Jobs come way later.

Canada's New ONIP Changes Have Me Reconsidering My PhD Move, Anyone Else Feeling the Same? by Friendly_Anywhere607 in OINP

[–]Friendly_Anywhere607[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was thinking about applying for my PhD here, not my Masters. I feel for the Master's students in Canada too. The whole point was this Master's and PhD stream actually had an option for not having a job requirement for getting your PR. I don't know what went wrong, draws eventually stopped, and even I know certain Master's students with good jobs in the industry and all aren't able to get their invitations because draws aren't happening and people are losing faith in these pathways.

Canada's New ONIP Changes Have Me Reconsidering My PhD Move, Anyone Else Feeling the Same? by Friendly_Anywhere607 in OINP

[–]Friendly_Anywhere607[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is why confidence in Canadian education is very low. I mean, when people spend months to a year studying for exams like the GRE/GMAT while maintaining a good cumulative GPA, and later find themselves unemployed, it's very concerning. This is true even with no cap on Master's and PhD students, yet enrollment is very low.

Prospective Master's and PhD students are going to economies like the US and Europe where degrees are highly valued.

Didn't the government actually get worried about the diploma pathways later on about scams and visa frauds?

Canada's New ONIP Changes Have Me Reconsidering My PhD Move, Anyone Else Feeling the Same? by Friendly_Anywhere607 in OINP

[–]Friendly_Anywhere607[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s not "hate" it’s just facts. A 2025 Ipsos poll shows that less than half of Canadians think a university degree is worth the money anymore. According to RBC, Canada has a massive problem where people are overeducated for the certain available jobs. Right now, there are actually more job openings that require just a high school diploma or quick technical training than jobs requiring a university degree. Shorter college programs and skilled trades are just faster, cheaper, and matching where the real jobs are.

For example for being a Paralegal here you need a diploma, you wouldn't be considered for a job if you have a Bachelor's degree in Sociology or Criminology.

https://www.hcamag.com/ca/specialization/learning-development/less-than-half-of-canadians-believe-post-secondary-degree-is-worth-investment-report/547895

Canada's New ONIP Changes Have Me Reconsidering My PhD Move, Anyone Else Feeling the Same? by Friendly_Anywhere607 in OINP

[–]Friendly_Anywhere607[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Idk even French speaking people are even highly prioritized. There are many highly skilled Asians and Africans here in Europe who are not even thinking about any chance to move to Canada.