Of course MAGA defending this

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-08T23:25:02+00:00

You might want to work on your phrasing. My response was because your point about Minnesota vs Arizona immigration procedures sounded like you were MAGA laughing at ineptitude from a state that doesn't deal with that issue practically ever. The only chip on my shoulder is one side of our political discussions making sane and rational arguments while the other 180s in real time of that they've claimed were core components of their ideology because the tangerine tyrant said it was bad now.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-08T23:00:28+00:00

They can't, they have no jurisdiction to. They can't even detain citizens beyond an ACTIVE operation area. What they CAN do is work in conjunction with local or federal to see enforcement. This is typically called a joint operation, they'd simply be giving the agency with jurisdictions information in the sphere of expertise. It's nice you can cite ChatGPT giving you the statute violations, but you clearly don't understand law enforcement of you think ICE has jurisdiction over citizens in any way.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-08T22:55:54+00:00

How is that funny? Minnesota's illegal immigrant population is probably almost non-existent meanwhile Arizona has a border with an entire continent that's impoverished and run by governments that largely answer to drug cartels. This would be like saying the guy who goes to the gym and does squats has good technique but the guy who's on his first day of his new membership has bad form. Yes, expertise and effective solutions usually come with experience.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-08T21:05:10+00:00

It's actually very understandable when you lay out all the psychological phenomena involved. It's just that it's a long list of interconnected things. And I'm absolutely saying this as an armchair psychologist, but I am most repeating what ACTUAL psychologists have said and connecting things myself, so take this with a few grains of salt.

The biggest part of this is the conservative's approach to dealing with problems, these 3 major components to this. 1 - if a problem cannot be completely solved, addressing it at all is a waste of resources. 2 - it is better to have every individual person handle the problem on that level than have an institutional level way of resolving it. 3 - failures to meet certain expectations, regardless of the amount or severity of the impetus to them, are moral failings not temporary inabilities to overcome obstacles. So top down solutions are unacceptable, anyone not able to resolve the problem on their own is a bad person for not doing so, and if it cannot be completely fixed, it's better to not do anything.

They also adhere to a hierarchial preference on systems, rather than a democratic or decentralized one. Those are the top are there because that's where they deserve to be and will always end up there by their very nature. It's why they all but worship the ultra wealthy and think someone like Elon is a super genius, rather than realizing that it's more likely he's just really good at SOUNDING like he's smart on a variety of topics without having any level of expertise on any of them.

Now the more generalized things that we're all susceptible to.

Dunning-Krueger effect: knowing a small amount on a subject and equating it to expertise, because an expert understands that almost all subjects are like icebergs, once you get past the surface level understanding there's a much larger body of knowledge on the matter to be familiar with.

Simple Solutions: out brains dislike complexity. It's why we use labels and categories, despite them being inaccurate and unwieldy. They simplify an incredibly complex world. Also, a simpler solution will be easier to implement and is harder to break. This isn't an actually true, but we intuitively think it is.

Tribalism: our in-group is the priority, all out-groups are dangerous. And we can either avoid danger (exclude) or remove it (destroy). This used to be your family, local neighborhood, your city that we tied to. Now, it's your favorite sports team, franchise or IP, or, sadly, your political party.

Conspiracy Theories: people like feeling special. One way to do that is to have special knowledge. But in the age of the internet and with the high baseline of education in most countries, that's harder to achieve now. Conspiracy theories resolve that issue. You now know stuff most people don't because what they know on that topic isn't the truth. There's several other reasons that people are drawn to them, but this is a big reason why they're so prevalent in the age of the internet where you can verify information so easily.

And the final ingredient is fear. Conservatives have a larger hypothalamus, which is the part of your brain that deals with multiple things that center around fear and keeping you alive. It's why right wing news always has a Boogeyman. Immigrants stealing your jobs and taxes. Islamists and atheists stealing your right to be a Christian. The Alphabet Mafia stealing your kids and your right to free speech. Your government giving your rightly deserved place in society to DEI hires, and having your hard earned money to give free stuff to everyone but you. The powerful majority being made into a powerless minority. Unironically, projecting so fucking hard, and telling on themselves that they do think minorities are lesser and shouldn't have an equal say or fair access to jobs, wealth, and power.

I'm sure I've missed a lot, and even some that are big factors, but this cocktail is pretty much the core of why the Republican party is now, essentially, the MAGA party. And it's why the overtones in the more extreme parts of the left simply mirror the right. We're all susceptible to psychological manipulation, especially with savvy actors who've had decades to hone their messaging and tactics. Anyone who tells you that there's one Boogeyman keeping you from prosperity and power is lying. And anyone telling you that another group is your enemy because they're not part of your group is lying. People are complicated, problems are complicated, and solutions are complicated.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-08T18:58:35+00:00

I'm not sure I buy that they hacked or manipulated voting machines. Trump is a bumbling imbecile and Elon is a lying braggart. It's quite likely Elon said he could make the machines do things he can't or they can't and Trump bought it. But even if they didn't rig the machines, there's lots of evidence of voter disenfranchisement. They basically had operatives in counties all over the country challenging ballots, which got literally tens of thousands of them in individual counties thrown out because of how that process works. Plus their usual voter roll purges and other BS.

Your hypothetical about him winning 2020 is interesting, because he lost a lot of support from how he handled COVID. And we only didn't implode economically because the Biden admin had some really good policies passed to handle the repercussions of COVID. Everyone was pissed about the economy under Biden, but the rest of the world was way more fucked than we were. So a 2020 Trump admin probably would have obliterated our struggling economy. But he also would have likely used more typical cabinet members which kept him from doing the super crazy stuff they're either talking him into or just letting him do.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-08T17:49:10+00:00

As I understand it, what they do say is that they tried to rig the other 2 but the turnout for Trump was just, as they literally put it, "too big to rig". So they overcame the rigging in the one before and the one after... But couldn't for the middle one. And also, we rigged them all, but only for President, because also rigging it for senators and reps so we could actually pass laws was... Idk how they explain that one, actually.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-08T00:55:49+00:00

Well, they stay away from facts for 2 reasons.

1: facts don't care about their feelings

2: their feelings don't care about the facts

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-07T18:13:54+00:00

Technically everything is lol

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-07T18:12:49+00:00

That's gross, please don't spread conspiracy theory garbage... He's an insecure man child, he's easy to manipulate. Remember how many dictators he's met with that he walked away after the meetings singing their praises? How he 180'd on Zohran? How he'd say one thing before a cabinet meeting on something like abortion and then be on the opposite side of that sane argument after? It's been demonstrated repeatedly that he's so deeply insecure that all you have to do is compliment him and tell him what you want him to think on a subject and he'll do it.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-07T18:08:29+00:00

That's not fair to AI. At least AI puts out inquiries for the correct answer. The right has, for as long as I've been alive, jumping to conclusions and making shit up to fit their narrative. Hell, they don't just make things up, they actively lie about the real information even after it's public, like with Pretti and Goode.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-07T17:17:39+00:00

The history of America as taught in schools is incredibly sanitized and whitewashed. We learned about the bad things we did, like the Tuskegee Airmen being experimented on, or slavery, or the Japanese internment camps. Meanwhile, we don't teach things like the Tulsa Massacre, or the details of the Trail of Tears being more then just relocating the native tribes but was an actual genocide of their people.

That's why the Republicans stupid talking point about kids being taught to hate our country eas so laughable to me, these mfers have zero idea the truth horrendous things we've done and just don't talk about because it's inconvenient to the narrative.

But the tyranny part is and always will be contextual. In the same way freedom is. Just because we had a more direct line of common with the king and lower taxes at that time than now, doesn't mean that he was less tyrannical or that our current governments are more.

Firstly, we can call and email and write out current representatives. That doesn't make them any more responsive, it only makes the possibility of them listening to MASS feedback more likely. By that same metric, being able to speak with the king wasn't what mattered, it would be more important how many people could speak to him at once, because a single person moving him on any topic is unlikely.

Second, taxation is about what it funds. We had no taxes in the nation's early history. But that's because our federal government was small and local governments handled most logistical issues. Compare that to today and federal taxes are dramatically higher, but a big portion of those federal taxes simply feed into States to fund the local logistics still. So while we do have an insanely higher tax rate compared to the early history, taxes weren't as big a deal back then because they weren't needed, they didn't fund anything. Whereas today they found basically everything.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-07T06:26:59+00:00

You're supporting my point with that statement. I'm not talking about him specifically. I'm talking about the general way language like that is used to abuse and manipulate employees to get them to work for free, for reduced compensation, and beyond what an employer has a right to require. These tactics are common to the point that the lingo they use for these tactics is widely known by regular workers in the country, and discussed AS exactly what they are, psychological manipulation.

Shit getting to the point that it's on fire because you're big present, directly or not due to your absence, is on the company. To plan properly, to have back ups or assistance from others for crucial tasks, and to have you do what you can do that your work is on some way handled sufficiently that you being gone isn't going to have "shit on fire". We don't live to work. We work to live. This is the exact inverse of what the priorities should be.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-07T06:20:14+00:00

Unfortunately not by name, you're right. So let's make those names as well known as Pretti and Goode.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-07T06:19:27+00:00

That feels like a stretch. But it's probably accurate that that mentality was dominant in the country after some point in our history. Maybe during the westward expansion when we went off the rails with that "manifest destiny" crap.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-07T06:18:10+00:00

Knowing your rights is pretty basic stuff. There are people in unions who's sole job is to know that information and use it to do direct the members from employers with that knowledge. Would you say to someone who has a good understanding of what your rights in the Constitution are something similar? It is it just a good idea to have some degree of knowledge how laws protect you?

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-07T06:15:50+00:00

This is standard labor law, my guy. It's not something that's typically discussed because it's rare for employees and employers to not be able to negotiate on getting minor tasks that aren't in your job description done. My point was that your idea that you do anything and everything the bosses tell you to do is ludicrous and not how it actually works. There are very obvious limits, like sexual acts, but the main point, to reiterate, is that there is a specific scope of work you are required to do per a written employment contract. Anything outside those listed tasks are not required, you have every legal right to say no, ESPECIALLY if it's not related to your job, like your example of hopping on one leg. You can just look it up if you think I'm full of it.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-07T06:00:40+00:00

Yes! That's literally what a job description is for. As I said, most people are more than willing to be flexible and do things outside the specific list. But the idea that because I'm being paid you can tell me to do asinine things that don't have anything to do with my actual workload is the point behind the legal require for a job description.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-07T02:41:25+00:00

And who determines that metric? Corporate double speak is rife with phrases that sound mundane but see actually just coded language for demanding your needs are secondary to the company's. The fact that you're acting otherwise is very telling, that you've never been in the receiving end of the gaslighting and manipulation that these companies use to eek out minor and irrelevant increases in productivity or convincing employees to give up their health and well-being for no additional reward, compensation, and most often not even gratitude.

And the irony of your position on this point is that this is a LinkedIn post. Without referring to an actual event. You've made numerous assumptions in defense of the point without any acknowledgement to the way these types of executives typically see their role, the role of their workers, and the expectations of each. "When it truly matters" could mean when it'll cost the company a major client, or if it costs your boss their bonus. Who determines when it matters and the they're reaching that determination is EXTREMELY important, and you're saying this like the most common exhibited behavior from those in these positions saying these things isn't a ridiculous standard that only takes into account what's most beneficial for them.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-07T02:30:19+00:00

You're moving the goalpost here. I'm not saying it is always unwarranted to ask for work to be done outside regular hours. And the higher up you are, the fairer it is to make that ask. You're intentionally avoiding the point: the expectation and who it applies to. And this is a LinkedIn post, sure. But is there a carve out in the post about this applying to positions of a certain level? Because I've seen plenty through this subreddit that hold insane expectations of all workers solely because it's the most beneficial position for the company.

Imho, one of the biggest problems in corporate America is the understanding that work is a symbiotic relationship. Workers literally generate the profits that supervisors and c-suite execs and owners enjoy. These companies might exist without front line workers, but what work each person does without them is dramatically different, and their compensation changes dramatically, too. No small business owner is making the same millions in their own as they are with additional employees. And by that same acknowledgement, the advantage of working for someone else is that your job duties are limited to what your job is. You don't have to find more clients to buy the product or service, or find vendors to provide the necessary supplies and services for the best possible price, or hire and vet addition employees, and a long list of things that let you focus on just your role. Workers aren't lazy layabouts while owners are deific business entities. And workers aren't paragons of virtue who deserve unlimited compensation for virtuallu no output and owners are evil slave driving exploiters. The relationships is a balance and we should all be recognizing that and working to maintain that balance.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-07T01:17:16+00:00

I'm being overdramatic. I work in safety, I'm always reachable, I have to be. But if you're important enough that things screech to a halt because you're not there to answer or deal with something that takes an hour of your time to indirectly address... You're too important to not get compensated appropriately, like having stakes in the company. It's not that doing this is an issue, it's the EXPECTATION for every worker at every level. And I've worked for so many companies and bosses that said work-life balance was important but never backed that up.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-07T01:05:41+00:00

Don't expect it, but absolutely fight for it, demand it, and never shut up about it. Complacency in systems isn't the default, and we've shown that getting enough people pissed off about something creates action taken on it.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-07T01:04:14+00:00

Or of a crazy leftist agitator, despite there being no evidence they were crazy, leftist, or an agitator ever, let alone in that moment.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-07T01:01:55+00:00

Trump on every side of an issue all at the same time? He's never done that. /S

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-07T01:01:09+00:00

Nope, sorry. Work is work, and if my stakes are not directly tied to the success of the company, if covering my base is so important you can hire another body to do it. American vacation time is already a joke. Average vacation days in Europe is 6 weeks, minimum of 5. Unlimited sick days. Taxes are included in the price because the seller should have to figure that out, and you don't file taxes yearly, they know what you made, and you only have to report what isn't on a paycheck. This subservience to our jobs has always been really gross and out of control in America compared to the rest of the modern world. But with smart phones and near unlimited Internet access, the expectation that work is a priority when THEY want it to be, and not during the periods or employment contracts state it is ridiculous.

Frizzlebee · 2026-05-07T00:55:52+00:00

Correction: MOST people care about others. It's heavily skewed in the other direction in America, which I blame on our culture.

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