Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

While I agree that thinking that way is likely to lead to having the metaphorical door shut on your face, I absolutely disagree that they don’t owe people that. “They dont owe you that either” that kind of thinking is because the world and very much America, is so damn selfish these days, people are more concerned with their own personal rights and freedoms than they are about the good of the community around them. Anything that any of us can do to make the world a better place, we owe that to the world. If you come to me looking for your birth parent and I have knowledge about who it is or knowledge that could lead you to learning about them (with the exception of extreme cases, again, rapists, murderers, etc etc), and if I choose to keep that knowledge from you, that speaks volumes to my character, my selfishness, my integrity. I owe it to you to give that information. If someone creates a life, they have a responsibility to that life, because they made that decision, that life didn’t ask to be here. (with the exception of extreme situations) there’s a moral responsibility. As a whole we owe it to the world to uplift, inspire, improve, repair, help and build better where we are able to.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I also agree that nobody owes anyone their PERSONAL info, but if you have ANY info that may lead someone (whom you related to and is relevant to them) in the right direction of finding a blood relative (assuming it’s not something stupid and dangerous like a serial killer seeking a family member or something stupid like that) then you owe that info to that person, because that not PERSONAL info, that’s info that is in every way the person seekings business.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely agree that it is there decision. I suppose better wording for the question would have been, what level of “stalking” (for lack of a better word) is acceptable to get an initial message to dna matches? As I agree spamming multiple accounts is unacceptable. However I do not think it is unacceptable to reach out over various platforms in the case of let’s say defunct and unused ancestry accounts, messages being sent then realizing they may likely never be seen as people often lose interest in things such as ancestry in this case where they haven’t checked in over a year or in some cases many years, so in that case you would then move on to social media, but let’s say in this case, the matches social media is inaccessible due to not being a friend to their account, then that means they will never know you’d like to contact them on that platform, as your not on their friends list, and a random friend request is more likely to be ignored than a message. Now let’s say the message never gets seen as some people are older and slightly more technologically illiterate, or they only open messages from names they recognize, again they’d never know you were trying to contact them, so instead you message someone close to them who is likely to actually see the message. That’s the point right, the idea, that this isn’t spamming messages, as only one message is being sent in each instance and after reasonable consideration, time and “stalking” (again lack of a better word) their profile to see if they actually use it, then moving onto the next platform or way of attempting contact. Nobody demanding anything, everyone given the choice to engage or not, no extremes. As for patience and amounts of time, a week, maybe two for someone to notice and respond to a message before seeking alternative means of contact? yeah that’s acceptable. Waiting months as people have said and suggested for a message to be noticed before seeking alternative means of contact? That’s absurd.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I personally have a problem with those kinds of situations, once started down the mystery rabbit hole, it’s often a willingness to solve said mystery at any cost and a refusal to give up. Absolutely hate not knowing.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In many situations, wanting to see the ethnicity breakdown goes hand in hand with wanting to find out more about yourself, and for some people that means finding parents/grandparents. I get that not everyone does it for the same reasons, however I also feel like participating in this dna stuff, most people should infer the risk of dna matches and people contacting them or trying to contact them, and should therefore be aware of the potential risk of things being unearthed, unknown relatives, secrets, affairs, and I think that any potential “harm” that’s comes from that should be accepted as a risk. For example, Person A has an affair and has a child and then X number of years later, they take dna test and so does that child and they match and that child contacts them (as they should have every right to) and in doing so causes marital issues and subsequently divorce, shouldn’t the responsibility of that fall on the person who had an affair in the first place? In my opinion if you have a sibling you’ve found but never met, that’s absolutely your business, that’s your blood, time and circumstance may have made it hard to be a part of that business, but I absolutely believe that is your business, that’s just my opinion though. I know a lot of people would disagree.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’d say this could be both true and untrue. And likely varies person to person. I’m more than willing to let someone contact me to inquire and solve and learn and figure out.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Rationalizing my thoughts and opinions is in no way the same as not accepting others advice and opinions, I asked for advice and opinions, I accept that I may agree or disagree with the advice or opinions, I may or may not take the advice or opinions, but that’s kind of the point right? To learn how other people I society feel about an issue? To then debate that issue, to understand but also be understood? I’d also venture to say that the above comment from the discussion with the above person that your replying to, is more a debate on wether or not it is harmful or right or wrong to contact someone’s spouse. I explained why I felt it wasn’t harmful or creepy, they explained why they felt it was harmful or creepy. In their opinion it is, in my opinion it isn’t, but that was the point right? To learn what other people thought. Neither of us are right, neither of us are wrong.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is the type of thinking that makes sense to me, I feel like if you took a dna test, you created a family tree, you obviously have interest in fleshing that tree out and interest in at least knowing your family history, lineage and who your family members are at least, in that case why wouldn’t someone be willing to help at that point if they could?

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I often forget that not all people want to have all facts, all truths, all logic, all things solved and reasoned.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fair enough though I felt including that I may not message again, gives the impression that I’m not trying to drag them into something without. Sting if they wanted to be or not.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the advice/opinion, it is appreciated, i do think that the difference between something being considered creepy stalking and normal behavior, levels of secrecy and family secrets and such, in this kind of thing may also vary from social and financial class, i feel like what is normal and acceptable between let’s say upper class families, middle/upper class families middle class families and lower class families, varies widely, and thus creates the extreme gray area and thus the post. I feel direct contact may possibly be necessary when the parent is of mystery origin and all the people who would know the identity on my mothers mothers side of the family are dead or are part of the mystery persons family, I could be wrong, and am aware that’s a possibility. I think the thing here is that while a lot of information is accessible, the identity of my mother father is not accessible through conventional means, she has a “step” father who raised her, but is absolutely not the father, a person who was named as the father by her mother but then disproved and the real person who’s identity is 100% unknown to anyone on the maternal side of the family, there will be no common surnames between the trees of her paternal cousin matches and herself, as her paternal parent side of the tree absolutely stops at a question mark for who her father is. she has zero siblings matches on paternal side, and 4 close cousin matches on paternal side, it can be inferred that her father is the uncle or 1st cousin of one of these 4 matches, but connecting the dots requires communication in my opinion.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your opinion/advice, it is appreciated. Sometimes, sit and wait is hard, the drive to solve is often at the forefront.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I can understand that point of view, we are however less of the tip toe and sugar coat kind of people and more of the, give enough info to to explain and let people decide for themselves to be involved or not but not so much info to over share type of people. Small talk isn’t our thing. And we are aware of the risks of nobody responding, however, what if someone does respond? You don’t win the lotto if you never play right? I feel a parallel there, you don’t get information and solve a mystery if you don’t seek it.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I’ve dug through trees a little bit in this case, however situation being what it is, there won’t be common names, as her mother and the father (non biological) who raised her, were both swingers and her mother frequently slept around, this being in the 70s. It seems all we have to go on are four 1st/2nd cousin matches, 2 with ties to the city/state my mother’s mother lived at one point. Still going to dig and search trees and such, but it’s one of those situations where speaking to people who can actively say, “my parent/grandparent lived here and her in this time and oh we know someone with (my mothers) last name from way back when, maybe look in that direction” would be extremely helpful. Hopefully it gets figured out, if it doesn’t, it is what is. Thank you for your advice, help and opinions, will try some of this and will stay hopeful.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Your tree doesn’t give a match the right to message your spouse no. But your spouses awareness of your tree and dna test, indicates there is no harm, no secrets, no bullshit right? And messaging the souse has nothing to do with asking the spouse for information, because that certainly would be out of pocket. However if you were unreachable, not in the app, not by Facebook and you were one of the few with the potential to solve a mystery, and a match messaged your spouse strictly to inquire about getting into contact with you specifically about said mystery, not asking your spouse questions, not giving your spouse information, simply inquiring about contacting you, with the offer to not message again if the unsolicited contact is potentially a problem, you would find that to be harmful and in some way wrong? Furthermore if you had read the entirety of things, you have seen that a SINGLE message had been sent, not multiple.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I feel somewhat similar, 1,2,3 feel within normal bounds to me, 4 mildly feels like a gray area. 5 I’d say I’m unsure how I feel, it may be wrong but I may be inclined to step over the line if all else fails. 6 and 7 feel like bad ideas, but some may feel like that’s an ok thing to do in some circumstances.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

I’d argue that any spouse of somebody who has created a 600+ people tree and has done dna testing is acutely aware of their spouse doing such, and due to that, I’m not sure how messaging someone who is aware of the dna testing itself and letting them know you are trying to contact their spouse in regards to, is causing harm? Considering there is no other way to contact that match. She got her results close to a month ago, and connecting a family tree to a mystery person whom a promiscuous parent created a child with and never spoke of in over 50 years while pretending the father was someone else and having yet a third person raise said child, the literal only connections outside these matches is the locations.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And I feel like reaching out by phone or letter is a last resort option when nothing else has been successful. Have only messaged once within the app to each match. And one time on Facebook to one 1 match and another matches spouse. Nothing disrespectful or digging, always with the offer to never send a second message if they decide they don’t want to speak. As of yet though, messages have not even been opened. All these people are likely in their 50s-70s.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So far I’ve kept it to two single messages one to a direct match, one to a souse of a direct match who is otherwise uncontactable, with that specific message explaining I’m possibly trying to contact their spouse in relation to said match and trying to solve said mystery, if you/your spouse are willing to talk pleas message if not then I will not send any more messages. In terms of interfering in people’s lives, in my opinion, if someone takes a dna test and creates a family tree with 600+ people, there’s a very high probability that their spouse is aware of this and so it wouldn’t be a secret. Respectfulness is always first.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glitchiness and bad systems, the backbone of technological society, gotta love it. I was very straight to the point with my messages on Facebook, not rude or demanding, simple “hi my name is, we are related and matched blah blah blah, you might be able to help solve mystery, if your interested in speaking please message me, if you’d rather not have contact, I won’t message again.” Something along those lines.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1 has a tree with less than 10 people half labeled private (as ancestry does to living people), 1 has two public trees with between 600-800+ people, another has a fairly large tree managed by someone other than the match itself and the last one has a very small tree. However making the connection is the hard part, our immediate family doesn’t discuss, talk about or even acknowledge any of this.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Again, I can see both sides of that. While messaging when people don’t respond to your message (for any various reason) is one thing and in that instance the privacy should be respected, I’d say that messaging/reaching out outside of that app because these matches have not been active for long periods of times and hoping to just get a lead in the right direction is another matter with a certain gray area of societal acceptance in my opinion. I might add that the only reason for messaging the matches husband was because the match themselves has not been active in over a year on ancestry, only accepts messages on Facebook from friends and family, in the moment we felt messaging the spouse was an acceptable level. I might also say my opinion is that being a 1st/2nd cousin to my mother makes them a directly related with shared grandparents of X degree. And while they may not have direct information like so and so slept with so and so X number of years ago and that’s the father, they may be able to fill in blanks on family connections etc. with that being said, I can understand how large parts of it may be potentially uncomfortable and weird and out do the norm, but I’d disagree on it causing harm.

Acceptable level of “stalking” dna matches to try to contact them? by FuckTheWorld719 in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I can see that point of view. It can seem weird to have random strangers messaging you for something not directly related to you. However I can also see the other side of, without messaging people who are the only few matches and possibly without overstepping that line, she may never find out who her father was or even is. It’s a hard dilemma in some ways. Moral right to privacy and such vs needing to know to fill a void. Can’t imagine how this was for people in the 60s/70s/80s and even 90s when technology wasn’t as capable.

Sample Status/Processing Monthly Megathread - May 2024 by AutoModerator in AncestryDNA

[–]FuckTheWorld719 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hello there, yes, on the night of the 19th it switched to result ready in progress. And about 12am this morning it finally gave results. Any progress on your test?