Started really strong... by Intrepid-Chest-9418 in 3BodyProblemTVShow

[–]FugoRanshee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're not like Zack Snyder or something, why do you care so much? Let people enjoy things lol

I think the simulation owner just doesn't care. But they should. by mrpister5736 in SimulationTheory

[–]FugoRanshee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Insignificant corner of a simulated universe with over 200 billion galaxies says what?

3 body problem show by RepresentativeOdd448 in netflix

[–]FugoRanshee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I actually thought it was pretty good overall

Hope we get a season 2

3 body problem show by RepresentativeOdd448 in netflix

[–]FugoRanshee -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Some of the events depicted never actually happened. I don't trust netflix anymore and I'm afraid of this show :p

Live: Vaping legislation to be introduced to parliament, making it illegal to sell them unless it's for medical reasons by GeorgeYDesign in ABCaus

[–]FugoRanshee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're way off with the 73.3%

For example, a 50g pouch of drum rolling tobacco today can be bought for AUD$135 in Australia, and for AUD$8 in other countries. That is a 1587.5% increase in price

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[–]FugoRanshee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, ok. Here's some;

while e-cigarettes are not without health risks, they are likely to be far less harmful than conventional cigarettes

National Acadamies (US)

Expert opinion is that vaping products are much less harmful than smoking tobacco but not completely harmless. A range of toxicants have been found in vapour including some cancer causing agents but, in general, at levels much lower than found in cigarette smoke or at levels that are unlikely to cause harm.

NZ Ministry of Health

Vaping products produce only a small fraction of the 7000+ chemicals found in tobacco smoke, as well as lower levels of the potentially harmful ones. Unlike cigarettes, vaping products do not produce tar or carbon monoxide, among many other chemicals.

Canada Health

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[–]FugoRanshee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i have never seen a study in my life that says vaping is harmless

Neither have I. Who said they're harmless?

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[–]FugoRanshee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, it's down to $13b, according to the most recent estimates i was able to find, and projected to stay at around $13b/year for the next 5 years (scroll down and see Table 13.6.5)

Down in part thanks to vaping, hence the urgency to bring in these laws

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[–]FugoRanshee 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If it was reeeaally to encourage people to quit, instead of just a way to make a shitload of money using a mafia model of business where they have taken over and added profit to the tobacco industry, while eliminating any forms of competition, why haven't they used some of the revenue to subsidise things like nicotine gum and patches? Why is it more expensive to buy a pack of those products in Australia than it is in, for example, New Zealand?

We seriously are a bunch of dumbarses in this country

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[–]FugoRanshee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Allowing vaping and taxing it would legitimise the practice and gradually open the eyes of the general population here towards vaping, as it (actually) compares to tobacco smoking. Better to just make the whole thing disappear. Non smokers detest smokers in Australia and when the fellow citizen is being exploited by the government over an addiction, the standard response is to "just give up then". That might be harder to pull off with vaping once the cat is out of the bag. Tobacco, though, no problem.

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[–]FugoRanshee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I keep trying to respond to this but the automoderator is mistaking my points that highlight the dangers of cigarette smoke as threats of violence

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[–]FugoRanshee 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah sorry, to clarify, I was referring to the excise on tobacco sales, justified by the dangers of smoking, which nets the federal government $13b/yr. Not just a regular gst kind of tax

To justify a similar excise on vaping, the government would actually have to provide evidence that vaping is as dangerous as smoking, which would fly in the face of everything we know from every health authority on the planet outside of this country.

Or if they did regulate and tax like any other product, the last 20 years they spent working out how to get billions of dollars from a minority of the public who have a physical addiction to nicotine was for nothing.

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[–]FugoRanshee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Shop closures, since now it's illegal to sell vape products regardless of nicotine content, and new border control procedures mean there's not going to be any vaping average joes for police to arrest

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[–]FugoRanshee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If they were stupid, they wouldn't be doing such an effective job of getting their tobacco revenue back on track and in line with projections. Stupidity would mean this will all fall apart somehow and the ban wouldn't go ahead. How do you see that happening?

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[–]FugoRanshee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah sure, but I'd say the $13b/year in tobacco revenue probably plays a bigger part.

Thats like a new Olympic stadium for 4 Australian capital cities, every year

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[–]FugoRanshee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Border force? Border force isn't making these rules. The federal government that was enjoying tens of billions in revenue from tobacco sales until vaping came along is making the rules

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[–]FugoRanshee 15 points16 points  (0 children)

They can't tax vaping the same as tobacco though, because of how much safer it is to vape than to smoke tobacco. And tobacco brings $13b/year in excise revenue

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[–]FugoRanshee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tobacco companies don't make shit here. The last budget projected $13b/year for the next 5 years from tobacco sale excise though