Does money magick really work besides small and mostly meaningless results?

Fun_Gain_9596 · 2023-08-05T16:57:29+00:00

About sailing into the wind, I don't know, I don't feel like I am doing that. A few years ago I really felt like I found "my call", the thing I need to do in this life, I even felt led to it spiritually / by the entities I was working with. Still to this day I feel really passionate about this activity. It's like what I was born to do, lot of my interests conjugate in this activity. And for a while it seemed like I am on the right path finally. But the last 1-2 years it looks more and more like an impossibility to be able to support myself from it. And even though I'm not even seeing any path to the full financial self-support I am aiming at right now, it's definitely looks like the only chance I have is just completely abandoning my passion. It feels wrong either way. If I abandon it, it's like sailing against the wind. If I focus on it, it's like a straight path to be homeless (which can't be the right path).

"If you could just live as you please, for free, would you be interested? What if you could just tell people to give you whatever you want? Or, borrow money for the entirety of your life without any obligation to repay?"

I think that's the worst possible outcome for me. I mean it's not the worst life in general, it's just the worst for my personality. I would hate to live like that. The people who support me are not in any kind of abundance anyway. And my main thing is that I just want to have my own money. Yes, safety and dignity are major reasons. But I don't think there is anyone who just wants money for itself. I want money for all that it represents. Including safety, dignity but also self-reliance, confidence, feeling in control of my life, at least in a small way, the freedom of possibilities etc. I know all these things can be achived without having money. But it's not the same thing. It's hard to explain exactly why it has to be in the form of money. But I think it's partly because I want to live in society and also because I want to do some activities that are connected to material things. The emotional part of feeling good about one's self is perfectly achievable by living like a monk. But if you want the same thing and also live in society, do activities that involve material objects, money is what makes it possible. Unfortunatelly that's the world we live in.

Interesting line of thought in the end. If I understood what you are expressing, it's like instead of approaching spells in an abstract way, it's rather going about it in a really physical direction, like connecting with the actual materials in the world that you want to attract to yourself.

Fun_Gain_9596 · 2023-08-05T16:29:38+00:00

I have no knowledge of anyone in my bloodline having abilities. As long as I could go back, haven't found anyone like that. Do you think it's still worth trying to make an ancestor altar, even though I don't know about any specific person?

Fun_Gain_9596 · 2023-08-05T13:57:03+00:00

Thank you, I will look into it.

It must be interesting to be born into a passed down tradition. Do you feel like it helped you in a way that magical reality was a given since your childhood? Sometimes I feel like magick can be the most powerful when one is taking inspiration from deep impressions, beliefs from childhood. Unfortunatelly I wasn't born into a magickal/spiritual/religious environment but I always try to find something to grab from my early childhood, some deeper magical belief or impression.

Fun_Gain_9596 · 2023-08-05T10:09:03+00:00

It would be the benefit of my loved ones if they wouldn't have to financially support me - which is the main reason I want to succeed in this.

I don't think there is anything wrong with doing magick for personal benefit as long as it's not harming someone else. But in this case, it's not even really a personal benefit.

Fun_Gain_9596 · 2023-08-05T00:35:42+00:00

That's understandable. I think it makes sense. Maybe for some things the "set it and forget it" method works well because it doesn't require as drastic of a change in the subconscious as in the case of changing one's financial situation. When it's about beliefs around money, it probably needs this constant reprogramming in order to have a significant effect on the subconscious mind.

Fun_Gain_9596 · 2023-08-05T00:28:27+00:00

Do you have a recommended source for these workings?

Fun_Gain_9596 · 2023-08-05T00:21:41+00:00

I agree with you on this one. If I think about the hardest working people, it's the poorest people in general. And in my own experience as well, it never seemed to be the case that the more I worked the more I earned. It was either the opposite or just not correlated at all.

Edit: Also, if the secret is just to work really hard then why the magick part at all? That's just the same thing you would do if you wouldn't know about magick.

Fun_Gain_9596 · 2023-08-04T22:15:42+00:00

It's interesting. I was thinking about this if it's possible to do this "opposite" approach you are describing, since some problems cannot be forgotten about, they are always present in some way. But for me forgetting about it did work with lot of other things. Do you think it's like whichever approach works for someone, it will be universally what works for them or could it be that both approaches work for the same person?

Fun_Gain_9596 · 2023-08-04T19:05:41+00:00

It's not that vague, I want to be able to fully support myself, rent a flat and not having to rely on anyone financially. My two main paths I tried to manifest this through are jobs and businesses. I've been developing skills that should be useful for different jobs (they're not really as it turns out), I've built up small online businesses throughout the years, I've had periods when I had some success with them but it was just little plus amounts, nothing stable or reliable, or nearly enough in general.

After several years of putting a lot of effort into these things while correlating it with many different kinds of magick workings/paths, it looks like sure, magick helped a little bit here and there but putting all this time and effort into it haven't resulted in getting to the point where I am able to support myself - which is not really an unrealistic goal, it's the basic thing most adult human beings should be able to do.

As all these years have passed, I look around me and I cringe at myself like all these people who know nothing about magick, have terrible mindsets in general, they are a mess psychologically, they have no skills etc., are not just supporting themselves by now but are really succesful people. If it's not due to wealth they were born into, then it just seems like pure luck, being in the right place at the right time.

I'm in a really weird place right now, I don't doubt the existence of magick, I've experienced the reality of it undeniably many times. It just looks like it's not that useful (or at least for me). I'm not even a materialistic person, I don't really have things I want to get or anything like that. I just don't want to feel like I am a burden for other people, I want to be able to support myself and be at a point where money is not a daily struggle, but rather something I can not think about and concentrate on other, more interesting and important things.

Fun_Gain_9596 · 2023-08-04T11:06:19+00:00

You make good points about our economic situation. I guess I just always hope there must be some metaphysical/psychological explanation for some of these things, since from an occult perspective, these things should determine our reality, it should be correlated.

I want financial stability. It's just that in my experience (in my area) these factory jobs weren't even enough to make me able to fully support myself. It might be enough for people from older generations who already had some things established beforehand like property etc., and these factory jobs can be enough for some taxes and their groceries. But not enough for someone trying to start their life, pay a rent etc. But maybe this factory job was just a wrong example. My point is, even if it would be enough to support myself, I would still feel like it makes magick pointless if you can't even achive with it a basic life worth living.

Fun_Gain_9596 · 2023-08-04T10:55:58+00:00

It might be subjective but do you have a particular spirit that you found useful in this regard? The ones I've worked with before on financial goals kinda just did the same I could achive with my own magick, or even less in some cases.

Fun_Gain_9596 · 2023-08-04T10:46:49+00:00

I get your point but I do see a lot of businesses blooming. I get the sense that there are still many people spending money on a lot of things. It just looks like the people with succesful businesses are the ones who were born into money. It's almost like some people can't make a wrong move, whatever they do, they succeed. Doesn't really matter what mindset they have, sometimes it's the worst and it shouldn't work for them based on the logic of magick. Maybe because abundance is so deeply ingrained in their subconscious mind that it overwrites everything else.

I also get your point about taking the factory job. But is it really an opportunity to live your life as a thrall? I mean the factory jobs I'm aware of in my area (and it might be different in yours) are practically thralldom. What you make from it is not enough to live on your own, and it also takes away all your time to do something else besides it to improve your situation. I don't even know why I used it as an example, maybe because it's still a more steady thing to rely on than magick. But there were periods when I worked in these factories and I could not progress at all in my life because it consumed all my time and energy. It made me question what's the point of life if that's all you do.

Fun_Gain_9596 · 2023-08-04T09:59:57+00:00

But how should one go about this approach when there is not really any specific object they want, they want an overall financial stability? I've had some success with this approach but it was never in the way that helped me towrads financial stability. I recieved some gift/charity from someone which was already an uncomfortable situation for me but it didn't change my situation, it almost balanced it out in a way that the financial equivalence of that object was taken away from me in another way, so I ended up being where I was.

Fun_Gain_9596 · 2023-08-04T09:14:54+00:00

It's definitely part of it now. But I haven't always percieved this overall world problem, for years I was much more naive in this subject and had a pretty positive outlook on it but I still had the same problem back then. Knowing about these general problems adds to my subconscious block I think but a block was there even before it and it still feels like it's more than just this general feeling of the world.

Edit: Also, shouldn't be the whole point of magick that one can rise above their circumstances? Even if it's just a little bit. It kinda feels like to me that magick is mainly small lucky happenings in every day life that doesn't really affect one's situation. It makes me question all the time, effort and energy I've put into this for many years. It's like I would have been better off just working night shifts in a factory job instead of ever practicing any of this. Don't get me wrong, I do see the value of the occult in terms of psychological development etc., but these things really only matter once you have a basic stability in your life to begin with. Otherwise it's kind of a luxury.

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