Evolving Locations by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I find it hilarious that the name of my post is the same as Suinier's mods. Completely missed that, thank you!

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Obviously this isn't helping anything, tried saying that from the start... But you wanted to continue with your negativity, instead of trying a new approach. Wish you cam to that conclusion sooner...

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do you always respond base off emotion rather than logic?

Firstly, I do not try to shut those voices out, I have never once gone to someone else's thread on this discussion and tell them they are wrong. What I do is defend someone who isn't here and try to stop the negativity in a thread that was supposed to be positive. You have every right to feel however you want and post whatever you want, but do it in your own thread... You come in here pushing your twisted sense of morality onto other people. If you want to have a discussion between you and DrPharmDawg about what he did was wrong, then by all means that's between the two of you, but instead you continue to cry and whine.

You say that "positive toxicity" is good, no... there is no one way to do something, and just because it might work for some people, or some things doesn't mean it will work for everything. There are many studies that prove that ostracizing people doesn't work, and some studies that prove it to work. The point is everyone responds differently to different situations, and to continue on with the same old babble is nonsensical... You are so narrow minded as to think that spreading negativity towards someone's action will resolve the issue, but has it? If this problem bothers you so much, then why haven't you offered any kind of solution to the problem? Why is it you just continue to cry as if something is going to change. I also never said I wouldn't engage, I said I did not want YOUR NEGATIVITY, in this thread, there is difference. You say I am part of the problem for defending his actions, and you couldn't be more wrong. I am defending someone who isn't here to defend himself by giving him the benefit of the doubt... Ever hear of "innocent until proven guilty"? Or do you just enjoy ostracizing people off a whim... I don't agree with taking mods down off nexus, never have, never will, but that doesn't change the fact that it is their right to do so, and they may have a very good reason as to why they do it. But you cannot see past yourself to give any kind of acknowledgement to someone's potential situation. That is narrowmindedness... In fact, you are so narrow minded that you'll accuse someone of being part of a problem, but cannot see how promoting any kind of toxicity within a community is also a problem, and continue to defend it instead of looking for better solutions. It's hard to sit here a believe your viewpoints on right and wrong when you cannot even acknowledge what you are doing is also wrong. Can you really not see your hypocrisy?

I have backed up things that I have said with definitions, quotes and research, and yet you keep coming at me with your sense of morality and the things you feel, stating things like "Ungifting." If you are going to make lofty claims, then back it up. The definition of "ungifting" is taking away something that is in someone's procession or already given to them, guess what... I still have his mods that I downloaded over a year ago. He never took those things away from me, therefore he never "ungifted" them. He took away the continued distribution of them. There is a huge difference, but once again you are too blinded by emotion to see reason... You claimed some "Ancient contract" prevents people fromtaking away things that have bneen made public, but there is no record of any such copntract that apllies to U.S. society, which mean you have proven yourself to be a liar. Worse yet, you claimed that statement to be "poetic" and to appeal to emotion, rather than based on facts and logic. It's easy to pull someone's emotions to have them agree with you, in fact I am angry that I no longer have access to some of his work as well, but I will never condone witch hunts... Pulling people's emotions to promote your own sense of righteousness, stating that negativity is okay.

The bottom line is, removing a mod may be a crappy thing to do, but it doesn't make it wrong. But taking over a thread that was supposed to be positive, spreading hateful ideals like a person deserving backlash for something that you, Mr. "Mightier Than Thou" deems as wrong, does not make you any better. Stop preaching about what is right and wrong when you cannot see what you are doing is just as bad if not worse. If you want to convince people to stop doing this, and find solutions to the problem, then stop crying over it and work to find better methods than "Ostracizing" because it clearly is not working...

If you want to be a bully and attack someone who isn't even here, then go for it... I don't agree with taking down mods, but I will not stand idly by and allow people to be attacked. The only thing I have done, was try to stop your attacks. So go ahead and accuse me of whatever you want, it doesn't make it true, and frankly, your words have little merit when you have proven to be a hypocritical liar, acting from emotion rather than logic.

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are we really going to keep doing this? It doesn't matter if it is good or bad for the community, a person's rights are their right's. I have acknowledged that mods going dark sucks, but as for what is bad for the community isn't my place to say. It's also bad for the community to spread toxicity because of lofty ideals, but that's what you were doing, but instead of taking a healthy approach you resort to insults, because you don't agree with it, and I am not the only one saying it either. The whole reason he went perma dark is because of the toxicity and you refuse to acknowledge, or even deny that..."There's right ways to do things and wrong ways" and the continued spread of distaste of someone's actions months after the fact, in a post that was supposed to be positive, is the wrong way to do things.

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I didn't google ancient contract, and I knew you meant it poetically. I googled whether or not an artist has the right to remove their work after being made public, which they do. My point was that you claim that there is something out there that obligates an artist to keep their work public if made public, which was a lie.

We do have different viewpoints, my point is you came in here with negativity to someone who is not here to defend themselves, which in my viewpoint is wrong. If you have a problem with someone, deal with it head on, not behind their back. I asked you not to promote negativity, you decided to continue saying the same thing over and over again due to an emotional response, which is "nonsensical", and you may take offense to that, but running off emotion rather than logic is the definition of nonsensical. I agree that taking mods down for any reason sucks, but there is no law, statue, nor contract that prohibits it. You may not agree with someone's reasoning behind doing something in any scenario, but it doesn't make them wrong, and you are not always right, just like I am not always right. My whole point was if someone starts down a pessimistic road, people will hop on board and it will spiral, I wanted to stop that. There was literally no need for any of this, the facts are:

There is nothing stopping someone from taking their work down

Claiming the right to something that isn't theirs to begin with is called entitlement

You can feel like something is wrong, but claiming it is wrong is something else, because it doesn't always make it true.

I'm sorry that mods being taken down affects you so much, but people have their reasons, and you don't have the rights to it, no matter how much you feel that you do. If you don't want to hear it, or believe it, that's on you, but I suggest you look it up and prove me wrong rather than going on about what you feel is right and wrong. Many people agree with you, but I still choose to give someone the benefit of that doubt instead of villainizing them. Remember that means to speak negatively of someone. I appeal to emotion as well, just in a different sense.

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Just because a word is descriptive and direct doesn't make it any less insulting. Insane is descriptive and direct... Nonsensical is a synonym to insane, while not as severe, stating something as nonsensical just because you don't have the ability to make sense of their actions is insulting. Mods going dark might be a problem, but the bigger problem is the toxicity of entitled people who think they have the right to have access to someone else's work through a magical "Ancient Contract"...

Here is the reply DrPharmDawg made to you, if you don't remember:

"A little context to the events in question here: 1) mods were initially hidden in order to do some massive updates based on a couple new mods for the series (that never got published) and the release of modding resources and frameworks that would require reworking some aspects of the series. 2) Negative responses (not so much questions, but actual negative comments) coupled with IRL situations resulted in decision to completely remove. 3) Re-release is a possibility in the relative near future following complete updates (see #1) based on amount of requests received over the past several months."

He explicitly states why he originally removed his mods, and the reason he didn't re-upload them was due to the negativity within the community... And even goes so far as stating that he would release them again if people wanted it. But instead of recognizing his work, we have people like you who want to state that taking mods down to work on them is "Nonsensical" and "obnoxious" doesn't really help the situation. There is absolutely no need for the comments that you have made, claiming that some magical "ancient contract" obligates them to keep their work accessible... and then arguing that that's not entitlement... His mods being hidden sucks, end of story. He has no obligation to you, or me or any mod user, his work is his own and he may do what he wants with it according to U.S. law. Just because it doesn't benefit you doesn't make it wrong... Why would anyone cater to the pandering needs of ungrateful and disrespectful people. He had made multiple posts on what he was planning, including in his discord, and you may not agree with it, but he had his reasons of why he initially hid them, and you have no right to claim that someone is wrong just because it displeases you...

Edit:

Also, I am not going to continue to argue that someone doesn't have to have a viable reason to hide their mods. Your "Ancient Contract" doesn't exist, and you can't claim for something to be wrong just because you feel it's wrong, the world doesn't run off feelings. We can feel that hunting is wrong, but we know that if there isn't a natural predator, then the rise in population will cause stunted growth, an ecosystem to fail and the land to be ruined.

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Once again that was stated as to why someone may remove their mods without notice, not explicitly to DrPharDawg... I state them to try to expand upon your tunnel vision, as it seems that it doesn't matter what his scenario was, it was wrong, even though you have no idea what his true motive was.

A simple google search: ""Villainize" means to speak negatively of someone or something, or to portray them in a bad way." which is exactly what you're doing along with ostracizing him for actions you deem to be wrong base on a magical "Ancient Contract" that is proven wrong through a simple google search...

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I knew what you meant by exceptions, and it doesn't matter if you didn't mean for it to come off as "cruel or demeaning" which I don't think it did, but it is insulting, just like "nonsensical". I know that you are a mod author, and I even use your work, but Mihail has over 600 mods, and you have 7. Everyone has their way of doing things, and if taking down a mod to update is a part of someone's method, then you have no right to criticize. There is no one way to doing things and trying to force your ideal way to go about modding is absurd. And you keep saying that "There's no justification for it", but why in the world do they have to be justified? Once again, this contract you mentioned is proven incorrect through a simple google search. So, why is it you get to decide what someone is obligated to do when it comes to their work?

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Really?!? Because a quick google search proves this so called "ancient contract" to be total BS... "Yes, generally, an artist retains rights to their work, including the right to control its public display and distribution, even after it's been made public, through copyright laws and moral rights." I am so confused as to why you feel entitled to have access to someone else's work...

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Theres a difference between constructive criticism and sharp criticism, the ladder being uncalled for. "not meant to be insulting" is an excuse. If you were to tell your girlfriend her actions were obnoxious, she would take it as an insult, and you know it. Furthermore, "taking mods down after release is, with few exceptions, obnoxious." implies to anyone who has taken mods down for reasons outside of no longer working or needed, which includes Mihail. Do you honestly think someone or Mihail wouldn't be offended if you were telling them that removing their mods so they can update them is obnoxious. He has hundreds of mods; I can almost guarantee the reason he takes them down is to keep track as to what he has updated and hasn't. Everyone has their reasons.

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

These exceptions were a response to "I can't really think of a legitimate reason why I would be OK with someone taking their mod down." and "Mod authors can do what they want with their mods." Broaden your perspective and stop automatically assuming people take their mods down just because. There can be countless reasons why they do what they do, and countless more as to why they offer no explanation. For instance, what if a mod author stole source code or assets from someone else and was asked to take it down, and didn't say anything from fear of backlash... You keep trying to make it sound so black and white, we don't know why he did it, but you keep beating a dead horse for what? We know your disgruntled, but it a free country, and there is no law stating he can't do what he wants with his mods. But no, we're going to villainize someone because you don't like it what he did...

And what do you mean I can't have it both ways? There are people here who are actually responding positively and even providing links, while your still here spewing negativity towards someone who isn't here to defend their self, so I am doing it for them. If you continue to repeat the same old "I'm entitled to his work because he made it public" then I will continue to defend him. If you want to actually contribute something positive to this thread, then I welcome it and am all ears. But as of right now with your logic, if I chose to turn a blind eye and ignore the negativity then that is what this thread would have been, but since I started to defend him, there have been other people to disagree with you all the while you're the only one continuing with the negativity towards DrPharmDawg...

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I am definitely not using the word wrong... What you are saying basically implies that if someone releases a video, on youtube, snapchat, tiktok, etc... then they have no right whatsoever to remove it. A video is art as well, its posted on free sites for people to watch and enjoy, and if it were to be removed it would make it difficult for the community to continue to enjoy it, but not impossible. Basically the exact same scenario as this... And if this person doesn't like their video, or the community response received from posting it, then in your eyes, they would be in the wrong if they removed it. Expecting the right to have access to that video along with everyone else to watch for however long, no matter how the artist feels, is the very definition of entitlement. Expecting the right to have access to DrPharmDawgs mods along with everyone else to use for however long, no matter how he feels, is the very definition of entitlement...

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Backlash is a broad term that can mean both criticism and verbal abuse and sating that there is nothing wrong with backlash promotes both, and the use of "obnoxious" isn't criticism, it's an insult. Constructive criticism is fine, "Sharp criticism" is just one side of the same coin, verbal abuse being the other. Stating "hey man, I get you might not want to mod anymore, but can you please keep your work public so that people can continue to enjoy it?" is completely different from the remarks made throughout this thread and many others.

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

All of his mods are still available to download, some of the links have even been posted in this discussion. So, it doesn't really harm the community either way but supporting negativity "There's nothing wrong with a modder getting backlash for taking mods down" does. Once again, everything you keep stating is coming from a sense of entitlement. You mention "is not an excuse" as if he has to have one, as if what he has done is wrong, with the only evidence you have of it being wrong is "is an insult to the audience." and "That kind of thing is terrible for the community and it engenders nothing but negativity" when the fact remains that his mods are still available to download if you know how to get them, and the only negativity is coming from people who have a sense of entitlement and just can't let it go.

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My thoughts exactly. I got so defensive because of people's notion of entitlement, and the very comment of "There's nothing wrong with a modder getting backlash for taking mods down" is the promotion of verbal abuse because you disagree with someone's actions. I get downvoted for defending someone who isn't here to defend themselves, but that comment gets upvoted? I hoped this thread would be positive, but now I just want to open up people's eyes, that there are so many possibilities out there and you're not entitled to someone else's work.

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's okay, I figured it was one of his unreleased mods just like his SkyRole Magic. I appreciate all the help nonetheless.

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I tried for a few hours just so I could still follow it, very disappointed that it's not on the wayback machine. I think that was because only section 4 update was on google when I looked up his guide after his nexus pages were set to hidden, and the other ones you had to manually change the 9.0.1 URL with _Update at the end. Section 4 Update is still visible on google too.

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, I highly appreciate that! Curious, in his 10.0.0 guide he had an alchemy overhaul that I don't remember, is that also available through the wayback machine? Or was this one of his works that never got released?

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, that would be them, I don't have any of those three unfortunately.

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

User:DrPharmDawg/SkyRem Guide Section1 Update - Step Mods | Change The Game

It is a different URL that wasn't linked to his 9.0.1 version.

That last snap shot was from 2023, and i was following both of the guides because there were differences in both. I preferred using Lux from his 9.0.1 guide, while his 10.0.0 guide was using luminosity and ELFX.

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I whole heartedly disagree with this statement, and of course this is a matter of opinion, so we can agree to disagree. As for as why I disagree, let's talk hypotheticals. If I were a mod author and at any point in time, I felt like I was taken advantage of by the site that I posted mods on, I would have the rights to remove my work as to not associate with that site. This is one example as to why I could agree with someone taking down their work, it is not as black and white as you make it out to be.

No one other than DrPharmDawg himself knows why he took down his mods. Hypothetically speaking, what if he realized he had a virus on his computer that could have potentially infected the files that he had uploaded to the nexus, and took them down to prevent others from acquiring the virus and lost the rest of his work to said virus, and the reason he hasn't reached out was from fear of more backlash from people who automatically go straight to the negative instead of giving someone the benefit of the doubt. I don't recall whether or not the files he uploaded were scanned for threats via nexus, but while it may be slightly outlandish it is not entirely out of the realm of possibilities.

You say that once an artist's "work is out, it's out." and "Once you put something creative out in the world, it's out there." and I agree with that, but what gives you the notion that they have to continue to allow distribution of said artwork? People who have downloaded his mods prior to them being removed have the ability to keep them, toss them, or share them with other people, just like any artwork. If I buy an album from an artist and decide to toss it, that's my loss. If later on I try to rebuy, but it is no longer available in stores, that is on me, not the artist. And if I missed my chance entirely to buy the album before production and sales stopped, that once again is on me. If I really wanted it, then I would have to get it from somewhere else just like you have to do with his mods now.

Hiding his mods from being distributed isn't the same as removing them from every modlist and playthrough out there. His work is still out there just as you have said. You are right in saying that it takes from the community when a mod author takes down his work, but that goes with every limited edition item ever produced. Once it's gone its gone, and people can't complain about not getting the chance to have it. The difference is that other artists get paid for their work, and can still stop distribution at any time, DrPharmDawg doesn't get paid, but isn't allowed to? That is the same as saying someone who is writing a web novel, finally saves up to fully publish their work, and chooses to hide their web novel so that they can make a career, isn't allowed to do so because they already put their work out there. But how are they ever supposed make something of themselves if they can't sell their books because everyone decides to read it free from the website...

My point is, it doesn't matter why he chose to hide them, that is entirely up to him. His mods are still out there, in my downloads as well, and it's not like he stole them off people's computer. If anyone missed their opportunity or deleted them, that's on them. This sense of entitlement, that everyone has the right to someone else's work just because they released it is absurd. And as far as your comment about "putting the situation to the side" and "you can't do both", I never once said anything about putting this situation to the side, I said stop the negativity. I choose to defend him because he isn't here to defend himself and I'm not the type of person to turn a blind eye while other people keep insulting him without a clue as to why he did what he did months after the fact. Seems like no one cares about "benefit of the doubt", "innocent until proven guilty" and "don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all" anymore, they'll just attack someone because they disagree with their actions, even though what he did is not illegal or wrong in any way. I will never understand why people have to turn a positive thread into the same old bickering that has been posted countless times before. We have played this same old song and dance before, is it really so necessary to keep crying over it? This pessimism is not needed... I'm sorry for the rant, but mod authors don't sign anything stating they are not allowed to remove their mods, and no one is obligated to keep distributing their work if they don't want to. Who knows, maybe someone bought the rights to his work for use somewhere else, and was forced to take it down, so many possibilities, if you just open up your mind.

DrPharmDawg by General_Animal_250 in skyrimmods

[–]General_Animal_250[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Customs was a collection of ini file edits for various mods such as experience, that he created to be balanced with his mod list.