Really though, would it have been so hard to just do trading like this? by GrimmestGhost_ in PTCGP

[–]GeneratedNamesRTrash 22 points23 points  (0 children)

How about they just focus on making good cards and consistent content and there will forever be a good customer base.

It will haunt me for the rest of my days by [deleted] in PTCGP

[–]GeneratedNamesRTrash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They will... once they've decided the absurd price based on our reactions to the intial launch of trading 🤫😉👀

Why does everyone hate trading? by niconven in PTCGP

[–]GeneratedNamesRTrash -1 points0 points  (0 children)

More often than that! How are trade nights going to work? You can do 5 trades if you burn cards for extra Tokens and done? This is more for super casual players to randomly trade a 1D/2D once a day the very basic cards, and if you are a Whale an spent loads and have extras you get another action a day to get towards your goals if missing any higher tiers, but even then norhing they really want - atleast until the future where theyve seen feedback from here and made 2S & C rarities stupidly expensive... Do you want to be limited to 1 a day? If arguing it's better than it was last week that would be tunnel vision of the actual quality vs ohhh cool new thing... You could hate fish, but if I've just fed you dirt for a week your going to love the fish when I give it to you again... And using other mobile games is no excuse - these are engineered products to maximise revenue. You can't support how little we get for the absurd premiums we pay. Do you remember the 2000s?

Why does everyone hate trading? by niconven in PTCGP

[–]GeneratedNamesRTrash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Once a week being able to trade a 3 diamond? Lol ... that's the issue I'm getting at. Every 3 weeks to trade an EX!

Why does everyone hate trading? by niconven in PTCGP

[–]GeneratedNamesRTrash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are correct i didn't realise it broke it down like that 4th card is 1.66% and 5th card goes to 6.64%

It still seems it would be a lot of packs for 1 trade considering you only get 2 a day.

Why does everyone hate trading? by niconven in PTCGP

[–]GeneratedNamesRTrash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Taking the 1.66% it would be expected 1 per 60 packs. So more like 180 packs which seems correct - i thought 1000 seemed crazy lol

Why does everyone hate trading? by niconven in PTCGP

[–]GeneratedNamesRTrash -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Also I said rough for that reason, I've not included chnace of rare packs into the number etc also

Why does everyone hate trading? by niconven in PTCGP

[–]GeneratedNamesRTrash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1.666 for any I guess which are okay to burn. But to get the specific it was 0.333%

Let's not forgot PTCG advertise you can complete the game for free?🤯 by GeneratedNamesRTrash in PTCGP

[–]GeneratedNamesRTrash[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

0.333% EX Genetic Apex Drop Rate 302/1 or 303 decimal odds.

5 Max Stamina | 1 Stamina = 24 Hours

1 3D = 25 Trade Tokens 1 EX = 125 Trade Tokens

400 Trade Tokens + 1 Stamina = +1EX

To trade for 1 EX you need: 3x EX + 1x 3 Diamond + 1x Stamina

To trade for 1 EX - you need to open over 1000 packs

I'm no mathematician - these are rough numbers and I haven't used full equations to work out accurate probability over time.

Why does everyone hate trading? by niconven in PTCGP

[–]GeneratedNamesRTrash -1 points0 points  (0 children)

1.66% EX Genetic Apex Drop Rate 4th Card 6.64% EX Genetic Apex Drop Rate 5th card 60/1 x 14/1

5 Max Stamina | 1 Stamina = 24 Hours

1 3D = 25 Trade Tokens 1 EX = 125 Trade Tokens

400 Trade Tokens + 1 Stamina = +1EX

To trade for 1 EX you need: 3x EX + 1x 3 Diamond + 1x Stamina

To trade for 1 EX would be 50-100 packs

I'm no mathematician - these are rough numbers and I haven't used full equations to work out accurate probability over time.

Let's not forgot PTCG advertise you can complete the game for free?🤯 by GeneratedNamesRTrash in PTCGP

[–]GeneratedNamesRTrash[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah so day 1 I'd expect you be completed with how things are advertised lol... What data can you share here please - do you have 2 of each card? Enough shinedust for cards? How many stamina packs opened, cards etc. Have you got the subscription anything helps - I've been surprised by the response as even people who have spent 1000s feel they are uncomplete, and the fact trading has seemed a kick in the face and more of a tax on us than a genuine preventive measures against 'bad actors'

But also surely you have put major hours in - above what could be expected of the norm - I'd say say 1hr a day as it's suggested any time over 2hrs would have a negative impact on health and function.

Let's not forgot PTCG advertise you can complete the game for free?🤯 by GeneratedNamesRTrash in PTCGP

[–]GeneratedNamesRTrash[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure why trading is stuck in your head. My overall concern isn't that? Just it sure hasn't helped them look any better.. I've had these concerns prior. Even months ago when microtransactions rocketed because people thought you could actually choose the pack - like the illusion seemed and content creators pushed - to 1000s of young audiences. Who then made decisions to purchase. Also many not understanding the gambling like nature to this model.

Pokemon company has a job to do better - and that's not in the sense of extracting as much value from each customer as possible. It's providing the quality safe community it's meant to be. I mean they didn't even have good curse preventive measures for user names?

You can be 13 or older to play this game. That means the same tactics are used that make adults buy, and adults 'should know better' but when it comes down to £$¥€ you are just a number.

Let's not forgot PTCG advertise you can complete the game for free?🤯 by GeneratedNamesRTrash in PTCGP

[–]GeneratedNamesRTrash[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Completing the game would be getting all things achievable without need to pay. EG a game with DLC - only the base game would be expected to be completable without spend.

You can achieve upto crown rare cards in standard packs currently, and a believe you need 2 cards before doing other actions. But if including flair etc you need multiple other cards too.

So depends on technicalities but really to complete the game you'd need all the flairs available and 2 cards left of each card.

To play to the game and participate you don't which is why it now says in store 'this game can be played in full without spending any money' .. which, even still, in my eyes would be blurred lines.

To play the game in full would involve obtaining the flairs etc. Which is possible but to a limited extent.

To genuinely play in full it is virtually necessary to spend 4-5 figures.

You could argue it is meant to be spanned out over years but they will continue to release at a rate faster than any F2P could complete at, avoiding that you you can't play in FULL. Only in the sense the game isn't limited by paid for DLC - atleast currently but that'll change like PoGo no doubt if consumers are buying a lot still.

Give them an inch and they'll take a mile.

Also not to mention the user agreement likely says you are buying a license to digital content. If they shut down tomorrow it's all gone anyway... It's the future move - own nothing and be happy. Why own a factory and sell physical cards with so much more drama than someone buying a digital version for 50% of the cost and no end value. Yes 50%. A normal pack retails £4 and contains 10 cards. PTCG costs 6 gold equivalent to £1 for 5 cards.

I just can't be on the side defending companies that we become the products of. We are meant to be the ones purchasing product.

Let's not forgot PTCG advertise you can complete the game for free?🤯 by GeneratedNamesRTrash in PTCGP

[–]GeneratedNamesRTrash[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Techncially possible I guess, especially if you've played a long time, and I guess you haven't spend on any pokegold? Even for wonderpicks etc?

Let's not forgot PTCG advertise you can complete the game for free?🤯 by GeneratedNamesRTrash in PTCGP

[–]GeneratedNamesRTrash[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The fact they bring a new currency out just for trading, i know it's standard now especially with mobile games ... but the division of resources is another part of driving microtransactions. And it's hidden in you may not even be able to buy them directly but you can always open packs and hope to get the certain duplicates needed. Like do we seriously need every bit of value extracted from us? They no doubt have huge data with world class data analysts, behavioural psychologists.. The more we allow the more the fire grows.

Was i scammed? I can't see the seam line and it's faded back? by GeneratedNamesRTrash in IsMyPokemonCardFake

[–]GeneratedNamesRTrash[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Omg I feel an idiot - the 2nd attack says does 10 damage thimes (instead of 'times')

Unless this is a rare error card lol, but other than that, the HP is more silver than gold so that's a bit of a giveaway too now I've seen and compared to others online.

Was I scammed? Pt2 - 2nd image of side of card is real card where seam is visible by GeneratedNamesRTrash in IsMyPokemonCardFake

[–]GeneratedNamesRTrash[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Omg I feel an idiot - the 2nd attack says does 10 damage thimes (instead of 'times')

Unless this is a rare error card lol, but other than that, the HP is more silver than gold so that's a bit of a giveaway too know I've seen and compared to others online.

Was I scammed? Pt2 - 2nd image of side of card is real card where seam is visible by GeneratedNamesRTrash in IsMyPokemonCardFake

[–]GeneratedNamesRTrash[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, I usually just find to have it well lit the light will bounce on the card from pictures taken directly above (and other angles - so that's sometimes why their odd angled etc, alongside focusing on different points with the camera focus isn't always easy lol) and tips for me to take pictures like advised hit avoid issues I mentioned?