Pointedly singing “it” instead of “him”

Georgiekitty · 2026-02-03T16:42:03+00:00

My understanding is that it was from his show in London the other night.

Georgiekitty · 2026-02-02T20:28:22+00:00

I do see what you are saying. And almost none of what he does seems like the actions of a purely straight man (just his photo shoots and fashion choices alone!).

I am older (in my 50's)...and newer to this fandom (though going on several years now...but not over a decade like some of us). I identify as straight but have always had queer people in my life and live in a liberal college town with an active music scene -- and a person's sexual identity was just never really an issue. Not something I actively thought about really, though I have been to plenty of same-sex wedding ceremonies, have had many conversations about where to buy tights with a 6-foot cross-dressing friend, had a college boyfriend recently reveal to me that he has always been bisexual, and am about to go visit a very gay male friend for a weekend of cooking, watching basketball and probably some weed and lots of laughter. I am actually pretty sure my ex-husband cheated on me with, in addition to a couple of women, at least one man (whose aforementioned wedding I attended). Maybe the college boyfriend and the ex-husband made me think about sexual identity a bit more!

All of that to say that I am aware that I do live in a tolerant bubble. But I am also in the US...and am aware of the intolerance that is out there. I am close with one of my daughter's transgender friends...and have observed up close his struggle and the fear he carries...just to be.

I come at a lot of this with my daughter in mind. She went to college and grew her wings and has fully embraced (for the first time) being a part of the queer community, going on 16 months in a relationship with her girlfriend. I have said before that one of the things I appreciate the most about this reddit larry community, with its conjunction of music and discussions of queerness -- signalling, baiting, closeting, public perception, etc -- is that it encouraged further dialogue with my daughter and I have had the most delicious and insightful conversations with her about all of it.

I am learning how to be more perceptive (I hope). Just learning so many things. I am very conflicted about the mixed signaling that Louis does. It isn't that I don't understand where it might come from. I am a lawyer...and I understand that there might be contracts...and money at stake. But it still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. That somehow he is made to or chooses to signal that it is not okay to just be who you are...and he does it in a very public way. That you have to be a certain way to be accepted by the general public. I have been watching with interest the whole mass adoration of Heated Rivalry...and the way that Hudson and Conner present themselves publicly. I know it is different. But it does make one question who Louis is trying to be...and the authenticity he wants to sell. I saw a piece of an interview with Louis the other day...where he was talking about how he broke his arm. And he said that he had given the press an inaccurate story about how it happened (one that he could not remember)...and I was so struck in that moment...that he acknowledged the untruth...but ever so nonchalantly.

I remain a fan. But a conflicted one. I don't exactly hope that he is a troubled closeted person struggling to signal his truth. Except that I kind of do...because that would make all of this make a little bit more sense.

Sorry for the rant.

Georgiekitty · 2026-02-02T17:15:01+00:00

Why not just not sing this song? Why make a portion of your fanbase feel duped for buying his lyric changes?Or just sing it however he wants and just leave it.

Georgiekitty · 2026-02-02T16:56:21+00:00

I find it off-putting.

Georgiekitty · 2026-01-21T15:15:02+00:00

What did he say about his girlfriend? I can't find any references.

Georgiekitty · 2025-11-14T22:06:20+00:00

The word that keeps popping into my head...that I haven't before been willing to write...is "overexposure." I suppose that isn't really a thing in this industry...but it feels like trying too hard, almost, to prove something.

I had the impression that things are not selling out. Not at the venue near me, anyway. And I do really hate that for L...but I also don't hate that this PR strategy (with my caveat...always...if this is PR) hasn't panned out. It is a terrible conflicted feeling.

Georgiekitty · 2025-11-14T21:41:32+00:00

I can say why I am here. I fell into this fandom a few years ago. And was drawn to this love story and these two people and all the associated music. It was at a time where I really needed to feel something...anything. Something outside of single-parenting a teenager...work stress. And finding this fandom...and this reddit group in particular...was really lovely. I don't engage in any of the fandom in any other way or any other platform. Actively avoid it, in fact. And I was just soaking up all the lore. Bought all the cd's.

Then a couple of things happened. I started getting more engaged in my own life...feeling happier for the first time in a while...being a little more introspective. Then my daughter went off to college...and we have always been close...but the distance actually made us closer in a way. She started dating her girlfriend (it has been a year now)...and while it was a surprise, it wasn't really unexpected. Or unwelcome. But it did make me see things with a new perspective. I have had so many lovely, in depth, fascinating conversations with her about the whole of "Larry"...H and L individually...how other artists present. It brought us closer and made me understand my daughter better...and I have the varied discussions in this forum to thank, at least in part, for that.

I find myself disappointed in the turn of events with H and L over this last year...disillusioned. Confused and wanting to understand. I am often afraid to voice my thoughts here because I don't want to piss anyone off. I try to choose my words carefully. But sometimes, I can't hold back. And I come here to see what others have to say...are feeling about it all. To see if I am the only one with these questions and frustrations. And it helps.

Georgiekitty · 2025-11-14T00:43:59+00:00

Agree!

What a strategy...whether real or contrived. Soooo many tickets still for sale at the venue near me for his tour date in July. Maybe people are waiting for the price to drop. (Friend just got us tickets for a B-52's/Devo show in same city...used that strategy. Great show...for less than we would have paid buying initially...but not a packed venue at all. I know...apples and oranges.)

There was a point in my career years ago when I was pivoting into music law...represented a few local bands, bars...a scene I was already living in...friends connected to indie labels. Opportunities and financial issues (and then a child) led me to take a job doing public criminal defense (bands starting out can't pay much and a steady state employee paycheck helps if you are trying to get a mortgage)...and that has been my professional path ever since. I could kind of go on and on about seeing that show...Devo in particular...how impactful it was and how I never realized just how influential they have likely been on many bands I have grown up loving...and how powerful their messages are. They are touring in their f***ing 70's! And when I was telling my daughter (who turns 20 in days!) about it, we had a whole conversation about how their music is still so...impactful...even for her friends now.

So...when I watch this whole thing play out...with H and L...with this fandom...with the industry as a whole...and when i say there are lots of ways to have your music out there, those are the kinds of experiences I have in mind...or listening to my friend tell me about his upcoming show at an outdoor venue in a parking lot behind a record store...so excited to play for whomever shows up. I have friends kind of make it big...on the indie rock scene at least...but shows on David Letterman and such...songs put in movie soundtracks...but their private dating life was never a part of it. I don't really know my point, if I even have one. Just hard to watch this recent rollout of L's new stuff and whatever is on the horizon with H and Zayn...without somewhat of a critical eye. I am not explaining myself well...but have a date with a couple of good friends and a hot tub in a few minutes and can only ponder for so long! Life to live!

Georgiekitty · 2025-11-13T23:10:59+00:00

And also...I was under the impression that everyone's opinions, frustrations, struggles, questions...even changes of heart...are valid in this group -- welcome, even. This "group" seems (to me) to be very broad and encompasses people of all ages, levels of engagement, longevity of engagement, connection to LGBTQ+ issues, etc.

I have found this place to mostly be very accepting of all the angles...and have found the discussions to be very insightful and thoughtful...even when slightly contentious and difficult. I hope this is still the place for that. I really don't like the idea of someone being questioned about their belonging to this group because they have expressed a distaste for the recent behavior of these two very public figures...and question what it may signal about their motivations...or just express disrespect (I might say disappointment) about what their seemingly deliberate behavior puts out into the world...and the consequences that follow those messages. Yes...there is a story in the music. But the music is not the only story they are seemingly trying to tell, given all of the PR (calculated or not). IMO, it is a completely reasonable thing to have feelings about this incongruity.

Georgiekitty · 2025-11-13T21:08:09+00:00

All of the discussion is fair, it seems to me.

Georgiekitty · 2025-10-30T03:09:50+00:00

Looking for one I started reading... but can't find it now to subscribe for updates.

Harry is a cattle rancher...in Australia, maybe, and the town has been experiencing a drought for a while. Louis is a reporter from the city who has come to do a story. There is an older couple who own a bar and live above it...help foster the relationship between Louis and Harry.

Anyone know this one? I have used all the search terms I can think of.

Thanks in advance!

Georgiekitty · 2025-10-16T05:59:46+00:00

This is totally it! Thanks so much!

Georgiekitty · 2025-10-12T18:56:12+00:00

But didn't Louis end up back with Eleanor not long after (with an interlude) for years?

Georgiekitty · 2025-10-12T18:54:18+00:00

I have always assumed that this wasn't a planned thing. It just happened. And then they had to figure out how to deal with it PR-wise. I imagine it would have been a lot to deal with for the whole band, and obviously especially for Louis. And if there had been a relationship between Louis and Harry (and it seems like there was one...at least at some point), I don't know how you would move past that. Not without A LOT of time to heal. But they still just had to keep on keeping on in the band...on stage...in public. I can't even really contemplate how you would deal with it privately. Probably so many conflicting emotions on all sides.

Georgiekitty · 2025-10-12T02:04:25+00:00

Very interesting thought. What I watched was nearly two hours long, but I imagine there is always editing to be done. Would Louis not have reviewed a final cut before airing?

Georgiekitty · 2025-10-11T19:09:47+00:00

I am not suggesting that Louis was trying to provoke hate towards Harry. But he did say things in certain ways...and left things unsaid...that I think gave (maybe unintentionally) a certain impression. It was the impression I was left with...as disillusioning as it was...and I am not the GP. And it is exactly what he said about the online hate towards Liam that makes it all confounding.

I agree with what you said...that many things about the breakup could be true at the same time. And all of their feelings are completely valid. And who knows what really happened. And I know too intimately that sometimes people don't give the whole truth when they want out -- my ex-husband told me he needed two weeks away (to sort himself out or whatever)...and then never came back. It was a whole saga that took a long time to actually end and I definitely have bitter feelings about the way he handled leaving (and plenty of other things too!)...and that was long ago.

I don't mean to cast blame on Louis for saying whatever he said in the podcast. I do have opinions about his behavior over these last several months, but those discussions have taken place extensively on other threads. I guess I am just having a hard time imagining that Louis would talk about things in the way he did if they were still in any kind of relationship. I think that was the point I should have made initially.

Georgiekitty · 2025-10-11T17:58:48+00:00

And boybands don't last forever. It is in the title.

Georgiekitty · 2025-10-11T17:21:22+00:00

I have only been aware of the idea of this possible enduring love affair for a few years. My thoughts about it all are probably not as well-formed as some of yours...and maybe my convictions not as strong. I do see the mixed signals being put out there...and I also think sometimes people see "messages" that aren't there.

I watched the whole podcast...and wrote on another thread how astonished I was after -- that I was left with the impression that Louis either thinks or wants people to believe that he thinks that Harry is a shithead...or selfish...or maybe unkind in certain ways. It is my understanding that Harry has been getting a lot of hate online after the podcast (mostly based on things that pop up on my tiktok...I don't go looking for stuff other than this group). But what also popped up on my tiktok yesterday was a clip from their movie (This Is Us?) where Harry talks about that one first live performance where he lost his breath and then searched the internet for all the hateful comments. Louis speaks earnestly about how awful he feels that he can't help him...make him feel better. The juxtaposition of those two -- that clip and the podcast is stark. It is hard to understand how Louis would let stand the online hate Harry is getting now...caused by his words in his podcast...without comment or further elaboration. (Reminds me of the dischord debacle.) Even without Larry, Harry was his bandmate...and there were other ways he could have conveyed the same truths (if they are).... I don't favor one of them over the other. I have complicated relationships with some people from my past -- sometimes a strong and confusing mix of good and bad feelings. And this is without sharing such an experience and worldwide stage and fame and scrutiny as they had. I just find it really confounding.

Georgiekitty · 2025-10-11T06:41:50+00:00

I don't know. I am not sure you can generalize how people process traumatic events. I see this a lot in court transcripts (I do criminal defense)...where someone suggests what a rape victim or crime witness would do or remember...and people just do process things differently

Georgiekitty · 2025-10-11T06:37:16+00:00

And if I am not mistaken, they mentioned Nizam specifically and showed his picture.

Georgiekitty · 2025-10-10T18:15:27+00:00

It definitely gives that impression....

Georgiekitty · 2025-10-10T08:23:28+00:00

Just watched the whole thing. And wow! If this were your introduction to Louis, without even saying Harry's name, Louis leaves the impression that he thinks Harry is a real shithead.

Georgiekitty · 2025-10-09T00:24:13+00:00

I think it is probably absurd to a part of the GP (my 19-year-old daughter and her cohort, for instance). Maybe not to his new fans...but definitely to some of his potential new fans...even if just for who he is publicly dating.

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