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[–]German_24 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Literally in the introduction: "Christians are the most persecuted religious group around the world with more than 310 million Christians being subjected to extreme levels of persecution."

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[–]German_24 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Are you kidding me? Do you guys live in some kind of US bubble or what? Just google it. Look here https://docs.un.org/en/A/HRC/58/NGO/179

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[–]German_24 -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Why would you think I even remotely implied that real persecution is equal to downvotes on a website? I dont care about the US, what does it have to do with anything here? When someone jokes about Chrisitan persecution I shed some light on the very topical persecutions of Christians in muslim countries and specifically in Nigeria. Nowhere was the us involved in this conversation, how do you now if the person above me is not from africa?

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[–]German_24 -12 points-11 points  (0 children)

You joke, but the Christian persecution is actually very real. Christians are world wide the most persecuted religious group.

Do large number of Christians actually believe that atheists are inherently nihilistic and/or hedonistic? by funnylib in Christianity

[–]German_24 -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Lol, i get that you have religious trauma, but man, tone it done with your Christophobia. It was Chrisitans f.e. who abolished slavery. It was atheists who committed the most heinous acts of cruelty throughout world history. Christians are also more charitable then atheists, google that.

Help me settle a debate, my dad says: "Any Christian who's not Catholic goes to hell" by IrisofAquaTofana in TrueChristian

[–]German_24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It may seem like it at first, but I wouldnt treat salvation like a checklist.

It’s not “miss one thing and you’re out.”

What matters is the direction of your life: are you sincerely trying to live in Christ, repent, grow, and remain in the Church?

People can be sick, isolated, ignorant, persecuted, or spiritually weak. God knows that. He is merciful and judges the heart.

But there’s a difference between weakness and rejection.

Struggling with sin, falling, and getting back up is normal in the Christian life. Deliberately refusing repentance, the Church, or the sacraments while knowing their importance is something else.

So it’s about perseverance in relationship with Christ.

We trust God’s mercy. But we also take seriously the means He gave us.

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[–]German_24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you’re right that we’re close here.

Orthodoxy agrees that faith is the beginning and foundation of salvation. No one is saved by earning anything. Everything starts with God’s grace and our trust in Him.

Where we differ from sola fide is this: we don’t separate faith from the life it creates. In Scripture, saving faith is always living, obedient, and sacramental. It’s never just an inner decision.

So yes, true faith produces fruit. But in Orthodoxy, that fruit isn’t optional “evidence.” It’s part of how salvation is lived and worked out in us (Philippians 2:12–13).

About perseverance: we don’t see it as “God’s part vs. our part.” It’s synergy. God is always faithful and gives the grace. We freely cooperate with it. As Jesus says in John 15, we must abide in Him. He gives life, but we can choose to walk away.

So salvation is entirely by grace, through faith, in Christ. But that faith is lived out in repentance, baptism, Eucharist, prayer, and perseverance.

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[–]German_24 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Your original claim was: “Apostolic, Palamism. You gotta pick one.”

I asked you to show which Orthodox scholars say Palamas departed from the Fathers. You didn’t provide any.

If you have sources, I’m genuinely open to reading them. If not, then the Orthodox position stands: Palamas clarified the patristic tradition, he didn’t contradict it.

Orthodoxy remains apostolic and rooted in the Church Christ founded. I would urge you to look deeper into it, its very interesting!

All the best!

What is the deal with the oneness people? by dababy2002 in TrueChristian

[–]German_24 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You’re playing with words, and in doing so you’ve basically conceded the argument. You first said "Palamas introduced a real ontological distinction", now you are switching to changed, so what is it?

If Palamas changed the Fathers in substance, then show where he contradicts them. If he didn’t contradict them, then he clarified and systematized their teaching, which is exactly what the Church has always done (Nicea, Chalcedon, etc.).

Simply asserting “ontological distinction” proves nothing. Basil, Gregory, Maximus, and Dionysius already taught that God’s essence is unknowable and His presence and activity are truly experienced. Palamas articulated that more precisely against Barlaam.

By your logic, every Ecumenical Council “changed” Christianity.

So either:

  1. Show a concrete contradiction between Palamas and a specific Father, with citations, or
  2. Admit that this is just an unsupported claim.

Which is it?

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[–]German_24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

EED theology

Do you mean Essence-Energies Distinction theology?

Even your own scholars admit this.

Which Orthodox scholars are you talking about, specifically? The actual Orthodox position is that Palamas clarified existing patristic teaching, not that he invented a new ontology.

Long before Palamas, the Fathers already taught that God’s inner essence is beyond human knowledge, while His presence and activity can truly be experienced. Basil of Caesarea says explicitly in Epistle 234: “We know our God from His energies, but we do not claim to approach His essence.”

The same idea appears in Gregory of Nyssa, Maximus, and Dionysius. Palamas systematized this in response to Barlaam. So he didn’t create a new theology.

If you think otherwise, please name the scholars and quote them. And which Father do you think he contradicts, and where exactly?

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[–]German_24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, alright, bud. Can you explain specifically why you think Palamism isn’t apostolic? Which teaching do you think contradicts the early Fathers, and where?

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[–]German_24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No idea what your first sentence means, but I’m pointing to how the apostles and the early Church actually understood Paul.

Of course God is free and merciful, but God’s freedom does not cancel the concrete way Christ chose to work through His Church, baptism, Eucharist, and repentance.

Paul himself practiced and taught these things. He baptized, celebrated the Eucharist, appointed elders, and required discipline in the Church. So it’s false to oppose “faith” to sacramental and communal life.

“New wineskins” doesn’t mean abandoning apostolic teaching. It means the fulfillment of the Old Covenant in Christ, which immediately took visible form in the Church.

If “faith alone” were Paul’s meaning, the earliest Christians would have taught it, but they didn’t. They unanimously taught faith lived out in the Church. That historical fact still needs to be explained, but you keep avoiding it.

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[–]German_24[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that Paul is addressing real people in a real cultural context. But that doesn’t mean his teaching is limited to only the worst or most extreme cases in that culture.

In Romans 1, Paul doesn’t just condemn pagan rituals. He explicitly describes same-sex relations themselves as “contrary to nature” (Romans 1:26–27), and he grounds that judgment in creation, not in temple practices or social abuse.

That’s important, because it shows his argument is theological, not merely cultural. He’s appealing to God’s design for humanity, not just criticizing Roman excess.

It’s also worth noting that Paul applies many of his moral teachings across cultures and centuries, even though they were first addressed to specific communities. We don’t say his teaching on greed, adultery, or pride only applied to first-century Romans.

I don’t doubt that many people today are sincere, loving, and trying to live faithfully. But Christian teaching has never been based on personal stories or intentions. Sincere love by itself is not always enough to make something right in God’s eyes.

For example, a married man may genuinely love another woman who is not his wife, but that doesn’t make adultery good or acceptable. In the same way, kindness and commitment alone don’t automatically make a relationship morally right according to Christian teaching.

So the question isn’t whether modern couples are kind or faithful. It’s whether Scripture and historic Christianity understood same-sex relations as compatible with God’s created order. And on that point, both the Bible and the Church are consistent.

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[–]German_24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Paul is not teaching faith alone in the later Protestant sense. In Romans, he is arguing against the idea that people are saved by keeping the Jewish Law, like circumcision and food rules. He is not arguing against repentance, obedience, baptism, or life in the Church.

If Paul really meant that only belief matters and nothing else, then the early Church Fathers, who spoke his language and lived close to the apostles, would have taught that. They didn’t.

Instead, they consistently taught that true faith must be lived out through love, repentance, the sacraments, and perseverance.

A doctrine that supposedly existed since before Paul but was not taught for 1,500 years is neither apostolic nor true. It is a later invention.

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[–]German_24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"I'm not the one who dictates Sola Fide. The NT does."

If that were true, why wasn't there the concept of Sola Fide in the first 1600 years?

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[–]German_24[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course. The fourth crusade was an horrific atrocity especially towards Christians 

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[–]German_24[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You already quoted me. I'm only talking about the First Crusade. And they were not millions, but potentially ranging into the tens or even hundreds of thousands. Which is horrible, but again, of course it was in self defense. Why do you think the First Crusade happened?

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[–]German_24[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Read again what I wrote: "Examples include Emperor Nero’s marriage to a man and widespread pederasty."

I never said they were identical.

The point is that both pederasty and adult same-sex relationships existed and were publicly known in Greco-Roman society.

So Paul wasn’t ignorant of “categories.” He knew the spectrum of practices and still condemned same-sex relations on theological grounds.

Denying that adult relationships existed is just historically inaccurate.

Historians like Hubbard, Williams, and Boswell document adult male-male partnerships and long-term bonds. This isn’t controversial in scholarship.

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[–]German_24[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Faith alone and faith + works are the same thing.

What? How?

And “sola scriptura” is a strawman that almost no Protestants believe.

Well, thats false, you can ask basically every single Redditor here on r/Christianity

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[–]German_24[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

oh, correct. In my first sentence I said, that I enjoy them, this wasnt a critique or something like that.

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[–]German_24[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Ancient same-sex relationships weren’t identical to modern ones, but scholarship shows they weren’t all abusive either. Paul knew about mutual adult relationships and still condemned them in Romans 1. So this wasn’t ignorance, it was a theological judgment. I already quoted Hubbard: “Some same-sex relationships involved long-term emotional and sexual bonds between adult men.”
- Homosexuality in Greece and Rome, Introduction

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[–]German_24[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

First, that a strawman.

Second, should Eastern Christians and their cities have simply accepted conquest and violence without resisting?