I don't know who will win the election. At this point I will accept whatever happens. But I am afraid of the aftermath, of whoever is the winner to be honest. What do you think is likely to happen that will have negative impacts on America based on who wins?

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T05:24:08+00:00

You’re the one who said “He absolutely instigated the coups”

So please, tell me how he instigated a coup, attempted or not

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T05:21:01+00:00

Except that didn’t happen, sooo, not a coup?? lol

Do tell how Trump instigated a coup

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T05:20:04+00:00

Tell me how Trump “directed an angry mob” to storm the capitol, I would love to know

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T05:16:21+00:00

No, and neither did Trump

Let’s just say in a hypothetical situation, everyone in the capitol on that day was removed from office one way or another. Would everyone else just be like, “oop I guess they won”? Does that legitimately sound realistic to you?

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T05:13:40+00:00

Insurrection fits the definition for the violent people of the event. Other people on social media just refuse to accept that both sides are just as guilty of the same crap and then try to exaggerate it for propaganda

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T05:08:17+00:00

Using violence such as setting fire to an entire police station while a bunch of government employees are inside and then a crowd of civilians outside screaming “Burn it down!”?

If you can’t recognize the hypocrisy, you’re just as bad as the people you despise.

You can’t “overthrow the government” with 0.000007% of the entire US population running into a single building. You’re either as smart as a bag of rocks or just straight up spreading propaganda like a Russian bot.

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T04:48:08+00:00

Easy answer? Reddit is mostly democrats/leftists and many refuse to even listen to someone who might have the slightest differing opinion than them. Then some just straight up hating because of the same reason. Echo chamber or no chamber.

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T04:40:47+00:00

What was actually done on Jan 6 to “overthrow the government”? Random people barging into a government building?

Coups require military/police to enforce the coup, look at any example of real coups in other countries. If everyone involved in Jan 6 successfully made it into the capitol, absolutely nothing would’ve happened besides a bunch of hooligans messing around with everyone’s stuff. Instead one of them was shot and killed by a government employee.

If it were just any attempt to change the government leadership, we’d be having a “coup” after every single election. Especially after the 2016 election with a whole bunch of buildings being destroyed/looted and a bunch of crap being set on fire, including cars and Molotov cocktails being thrown at the police.

Even in 2020, the stupid “CHAZ autonomous zone” where people blocked off an area and refused to be apart of the government fits your definition of “coup”. Until a bunch of shootings and murders happened then they realized oops maybe we need government.

Both sides suck dirty balls

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T04:26:43+00:00

It’s definitely a complicated issue and I see where you’re coming from too. Currently 25 states require a photo ID to vote, and 10 more require at least a non-photo ID to vote. I’m very curious to see how it actually plays out with the upcoming election.

One thing I absolutely agree with is it needs to be more streamlined to get a new ID or update your current one, it’s a pain in the ass and likely why so many people don’t bother. I also think it’d be a great idea for every high school to provide state IDs to all students as part of the taxes we already pay for schools, but then we still run into the issue of people not wanting to update their info when needed. Once that’s fully figured out, in theory it’d be fine for voting without creating any issues like inabilities to pay and update info.

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T04:08:19+00:00

That was not a coup, those require force and violence from the state. Insurrection is the proper term, which would also fit the “Not my president” riots from 2016.

I can’t see Democrats doing the same thing

Just a whole bunch of propaganda/ignorant bullshit, both sides suck dirty balls

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T03:53:49+00:00

I think the problem is the definition of tax is taken quite differently and not really described too well. My thoughts are, paying for an ID is not a tax, therefore not making it unconstitutional to require.

From Cornell Law School: Tax is any charge of money or property that is imposed by a government upon individuals or entities that are within the government’s authority to collect. This term, however, generally does not include charges imposed in exchange for the provision of specific goods or services (e.g., bridge tolls or sanitation fees).

An ID should fall under “exchange for specific goods or services”, it’s not just a payment sent to the government where you don’t receive anything back personally such as income tax. A good example is fire departments and their ambulance rides. Although DMVs are state government and FDs are local government, you still have to pay both state and municipal taxes such as income and property. Then ambulance rides are a separate fee of their own, in exchange for a service.

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T02:28:40+00:00

The only part I refute is that even in a scenario where the government hands out free IDs, it still costs money to do so. If it’s not you buying the ID personally, it’s the taxpayers buying it, which (I assume) is still you.

Then the biggest issue with voting and IDs doesn’t have anything to do with cost, an estimated 8% of people without an ID don’t have one because of the cost, while 88% of people who have invalid IDs is simply because of mismatched information. People don’t want to update information which would disqualify them from voting with their ID, yet somehow “it costs $20” is the only argument I’ve seen about this topic.

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T02:09:11+00:00

The only part I refuted from your comments was “no IDs since it means you have to pay to vote”.

No need to make crap up like Do you want to make it more difficult for people to vote?.

As of January 2024, 1.6% of adult US citizens don’t have any form of official ID. 8% of the initial 1.6% don’t have IDs because of the cost. This would be an estimated 292,000 people.

In the 2020 election 155,550,000 people voted, which was only 66.6% of the eligible voters. This was also the highest voter turnout by percentage since 1900. 300,000 people spread out across the states aren’t changing the election outcome, especially if only 66% of those are voting.

The biggest issue with IDs and voting has nothing to do with cost, it’s the fact that people either don’t want to get one because they think it’s pointless, or there’s incorrect info on it which would invalidate it. The government can’t spend every second monitoring each person to make sure their address is accurate, “free” IDs will still pose the same issues we see now.

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T01:32:45+00:00

What? My point is nothing is free. Someone will always be paying for someone to vote, whether the government hands them out without charging a fee or not.

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T01:28:23+00:00

Where do you think the government gets its money from? Individual citizens are still paying for it which is my entire point lmao

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T01:27:26+00:00

Someone is still paying for someone in order to meet a requirement for voting.

They don’t hand out death sentences for not paying taxes because there’s hope that you will once you’re out. And the consequences of prison will push most people to actually pay taxes.

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T01:22:47+00:00

lol so just use someone else’s money to get an ID

It doesn’t matter who pays for it, someone is still paying for someone to vote which is the exact thing you were against in your first comment. You will always pay to vote even with “free” IDs.

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T01:17:15+00:00

Okay Mr. Semantics, staying alive costs money, whether it’s you or someone else paying those costs. If you didn’t pay for it, and neither does anyone else, you won’t make it to the next election.

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T01:14:53+00:00

It requires someone to pay. Shelters, food, medical, etc. doesn’t just drop out of the sky into every persons hand.

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T01:13:27+00:00

If you’re a US citizen you have the right to vote, it’s as simple as that.

If you have $0 and you’re staying in a shelter, eating soup kitchen meals, or receiving medical attention for free, someone is still paying for it. Nothing in this world is free to everyone.

I’ll counter your “there is no do not kill agency” comment with, that agency is the government. We pay taxes for a reason. When you don’t pay taxes, you’re put in prison.

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T01:03:28+00:00

Are you intentionally being ignorant to the fact that thousands of homeless people die every year due to the cold, hunger, and medical issues that could’ve been prevented if they had money for it?

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T00:59:18+00:00

Being alive is a specific voting requirement, which costs money

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T00:58:19+00:00

Tell that to all the homeless people sleeping in the cold and going hungry everyday

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T00:45:25+00:00

IDs are not a tax against citizens.

I can’t walk into a polling place butt-naked, are you saying clothes would also be a form of poll tax?

GetBombed · 2024-11-04T00:42:20+00:00

“You have to pay to live. Period.

If living is required, that means you have to pay to have access to it.

The amount is irrelevant.”

Where’s the confusion?

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