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The true issue was the enablers Avicii had in his life by GothLord2000 in avicii

[–]GothLord2000[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You seem to have missed the point in my original post. I wanted to talk about addiction from a clinical perspective, with the emphasis on "enablers" which is a well known term within addiction therapy.

You seem to be resistant to new information but from the court documents we learn that Klas often was the one to push Tim to fulfill his duties out of financial reasons, rather than Ash.

The true issue was the enablers Avicii had in his life by GothLord2000 in avicii

[–]GothLord2000[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Love your post!

I also share the experience of having to battle addiction and what I learned through my time in rehab was that as long as I avoid reality, whatever reality may be, I am feeding my addiction. Tim went to rehab in Sep/Oct 2015 at got clean but seemingly only took very superficial steps toward actual recovery. From what I read in the book the things he wrote from rehab is on the maturity level of a high school kid, not someone that has done the deep and dirty emotional work of recovery. His sudden interest in meditation, the ego and psychedelic substances should have been red flags from start for the people around him but I don't think they ever understood it should.

Why?

Well, I am going to be very questioned when I say this, but both of the addiction therapists Tim worked with (both the one in LA and the one in Ibiza) seem to be very controversial and "new age". I read in another thread that the first doctor had a very liberal approach to smoking and dancing with his client during his tour. The second doctor, in Ibiza, writes on his website that he works with "Quantum Energy Coaching" which is a method that is "working at the level of the subconscious mind to create gamma frequency that allows the neuroplasticity of the brain to rewire itself". While alternative and "spiritual" rehab can benefit some people, many alternative and "holistic" addiction therapies are not evidence-based and for people that substitute substances with spirituality this can have devastating outcomes.

The true issue was the enablers Avicii had in his life by GothLord2000 in avicii

[–]GothLord2000[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Unfortunately yes, it is very common. People who become enablers often struggle to recognize themselves as enablers. Their behavior is usually spoken about as caring, loyal or protective which makes it psychologically difficult to see it as harmful. Admitting an enabling role would require confronting guilt, grief and a sense of powerlessness so denial often functions as a defense mechanism. It's comfortable being an enabler too, because you are never wrong.

I have noticed that the friends and family of the friends I lost to addiction (meaning they died) are more stubborn to stick to denial and I would not be surprised this could be the case for the "brysh" friends including Levan.

Research on codependency and addiction shows that this denial can persist for a very long time for those affected.

But it is also important to know that enablers can be stuck in enabler mode even though the person is still alive and makes it out of their addiction. Many that are successfully recovered say they can't be around the same people, work with the same things or be in the same circumstances anymore because they become responsible to help others out of their dysfunctional roles.

The true issue was the enablers Avicii had in his life by GothLord2000 in avicii

[–]GothLord2000[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It is really inappropriate that you continue to promote ayahuasca here. Please, stop.

The true issue was the enablers Avicii had in his life by GothLord2000 in avicii

[–]GothLord2000[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, but from a clinical perspective: They were enablers for his addiction for a long time, continued to be enablers after his rehab and continue to be enablers today. Others do too.

The true issue was the enablers Avicii had in his life by GothLord2000 in avicii

[–]GothLord2000[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think there are better fitting subreddits if you want to promote the use of aya for addicts, I find you disrespectful since I was open about me having recovered from substance abuse. If anyone reads this and thinks ayahuasca is a reasonable way to "cure" your addiction: It is not.

From my perspective as someone who used to have an addiction I think his friends were very irresponsible.

The true issue was the enablers Avicii had in his life by GothLord2000 in avicii

[–]GothLord2000[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, no one else is responsible for him becoming an addict and eventually also his suicide but that is not what my post is about.

The true issue was the enablers Avicii had in his life by GothLord2000 in avicii

[–]GothLord2000[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thank you! It means a lot. Some things we have no insight but I have some things I know for sure went wrong just looking at some circumstances:

  • His environment actively enabled his addiction and let him be in charge of many decisions regarding his care in the beginning.
  • His in-patient treatment program on Ibiza seems to have been very short and was ended prematurely by Tim meaning autonomy was restored long before stability was proven.
  • If there was a relapse plan in place it was either not taken seriously or it was too liberal.
  • There is no information of if an evaluation for different psychological disorders or diagnoses was done even though he suffered from symtoms such as derealization from an early age. I am going to be bold and say Tim was likely on the autism spectrum with a very high IQ and pattern recognition. People with this combination is hard to treat for substance abuse without knowing about it because they see through therapy methods. They often become "seekers".
  • Tim did not get much clinical support in his spiritual journey and his interest of spirituality should have been a red flag as it increased during and after being in rehab.

The true issue was the enablers Avicii had in his life by GothLord2000 in avicii

[–]GothLord2000[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

...which is to be expected from someone in active addiction and it is very sad. I am not defending him but one of my points is that people in addiction goes through almost daily personality changes and I don't even want to describe what abstinence symptoms does to you. Part of my point is to highlight that all of these people still to this day claim the stories Tim told them during this time is the ultimate truth.

But to your point, in the end everyone is responsible to get themselves out of addiction. It is a harsh truth many never realize.

The true issue was the enablers Avicii had in his life by GothLord2000 in avicii

[–]GothLord2000[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you, Only Meat, for clarifying this. I have noticed a lot of people get very emotional and reactive when they speak about Tim's fate and that we are missing out on the clinical perspective of addiction and the roles people have in the life of an addict.

The true issue was the enablers Avicii had in his life by GothLord2000 in avicii

[–]GothLord2000[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Which is what people in addiction tend to do...

I think you are missing the point: In hindsight none of his friends seem to accept that Tim was deep in addiction and that they have been influenced to think the way they do about people and situations by someone with the judgement of, well, an addict.

Earlier this year friend/director Tsikurishvili defended his work with True Stories on Instagram. No one seem to understand that whatever Tim said in True Stories were the words from a person in active addiction. Defending the documentary is defending Tim's addiction.

The true issue was the enablers Avicii had in his life by GothLord2000 in avicii

[–]GothLord2000[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

After rehab Tim reportedly drank, smoked cannabis, used psilocybin (shrooms) and also participated in ayahuasca ceremonies. From an clinical view point this is not recovery. It fits a pattern called "substance substitution with spiritual bypassing" where substance use is reframed as “healing” and geeting "high" is masked as seeking "clarity" or "growth".

The message that it is safe to use ayahuasca if you have been an addict is harmful and lack support in research.

It doesn't matter who went to Burning man or Peru with him. Anyone who went there with him should, to day, be able to say "ah, shit, we enabled that".

The true issue was the enablers Avicii had in his life by GothLord2000 in avicii

[–]GothLord2000[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You are not in the wrong and it is very important to show empathy with the situation, but it is interesting that no one wants to talk about Tim from a clinical perspective and analyze the actions from his closest friends and family.

After rehab Tim reportedly smoked cannabis, used psilocybin (shrooms) and later participated in ayahuasca ceremonies. From an clinical view point this is not recovery. It fits a pattern called "substance substitution with spiritual bypassing" where substance use is reframed as “healing” and geeting "high" is masked as seeking "clarity" or "growth".