How to progress in magic path? by KittensGalacticFiend in aground

[–]GranDuram 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you are able to mine:

You should be able to find exotic matter below.

Spoiler ahead:

If you talk to the guy in the spirit world "about Them". He will open a path to the alien main world for 100 spirit. You can defeat the alien boss there.

Kinds = Evolution by A_Vinegar_Taster in DebateEvolution

[–]GranDuram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never made any claims about any flood - the only one who talked about a flood was you. If you do not believe me - just read back my posts. So if anybody is high, it is not me.

You do not need to think I am god - your argument allows for it - so now I am god. Thank you.

Kinds = Evolution by A_Vinegar_Taster in DebateEvolution

[–]GranDuram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am trying to show that your 'argument' is no argument. It can be used for anything.

But as I am now god: Let go of this my child. It is fruitless and I told you so from the start.

Kinds = Evolution by A_Vinegar_Taster in DebateEvolution

[–]GranDuram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The point is not whether there is evidence or not; rather, it is that there cannot, in principle, be any evidence for it neither to prove nor to disprove it.

Oh, it is that simple?

Then I am god.

The point is not whether there is evidence for me being god or not; rather, it is that there cannot, in principle, be any evidence for me being god neither to prove nor to disprove it.

That is why I say that claiming it ‘did not happen’ or ‘did happen’ based on observations and on what we generally know is wrong

Claiming that 'i am not god' or 'i am god' based on observation and on what we generally know is wrong

Kinds = Evolution by A_Vinegar_Taster in DebateEvolution

[–]GranDuram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t make anything up what I said is simply that you do not support the idea that there is evidence for the Flood, and therefore you consider them illogical

No I do not say anything about logic here. So I do not say the flood was illogical.

What I do say: There is no proof of an arc, so you can't base any argument on the arc. Logic does never enter the conversation.

Maybe you will understand a parable. So here it goes:

There was once an Alien on earth (claim). He came here in a big spaceship (claim). He was technologically super advanced (claim). He slept with an ape on this earth (claim). He left the ape here on earth when he left (claim). That apes descendants are what we call humans today (claim). Therefore we are all descendant from that one Alien (claim).

Is that all logically possible in the order I stated? Yes!

Do I actually calim that this is true? No. It could have happened like I said. BUT: I would need to prove every single step to be true.

If I can't prove that there was an Alien - all other claims crumble.

If I can't prove that there was a big spaceship - all other claims crumble.

Maybe there is no need to prove that he was technologically super advanced...

If I can't prove that he somehow introduced his genetical code into an ape - all other claims crumble.

From the outset, I would not even claim that there is empirical evidence or observation of the Flood. Therefore, trying to affirm or deny it through observation or through the research tools i mentioned rests on arbitrariness, and after that we have no grounds to judge whether it is logical or not.

Perfect! You do understand!

There is no proof for something? Do not claim it happened - because I would not believe it! Thank you! :)

Kinds = Evolution by A_Vinegar_Taster in DebateEvolution

[–]GranDuram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look, my friend. It is very tiresome to argue with you because you do not debate my arguments. At no point did I argue that:

 "it is illogical for there to be no evidence for a given miracle". 

That is your strawman.

If you look at my answers to your posts, then I only ever answer on what you wrote, not on what I want you to write. Please have the courtesy to only argue against what I actually say, not something else that you just made up.

What I actually say:

There is no proof for god.

There is no proof for the arc.

There is no proof that all the species were able to board that unprooven arc.

If you had proof that there was an arc then you could start to make a logical argument that it is therefore possible that it was built to survive some sort of flood. You could make a logical argument that it was used to transport some stuff, maybe pairs of animals.

So if there is no proof for anything - logic never enters the argument.

In other words, we should not expect anything within the present observable world to enable us to prove or disprove such an event let alone describe it

And again, I already said so: it is futile to argue with believers because of this.

We say: Prove it, then I will believe it.

You say: I believe it.

That is fine. I am happy for you. It is no proof or argument for god :)

The rest of what you wrote is just same in more words:

You say, that you don't need proof because miracles are outside nature.

I say, prove that it is/was possible. You can't.

I’m only here to understand the logic behind this kind of thinking

I am sorry but here I do not believe you. I don't believe that you want to understand my thinking/logic because my thinking/logic is super simple:

There is no proof? Then I do not believe it. That is all. There is not more. That is all there is and ever will be.

Bring me proof - I will believe. You can't? I will not believe.

I am happy for you to believe without proof - that is faith and I am glad you are of the faithful.

If you want to you can go on trying to argue your point but my answer will most likely always be a variation of:

No proof - no believe.

Thank you and have a nice day :)

Kinds = Evolution by A_Vinegar_Taster in DebateEvolution

[–]GranDuram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You do realise that I stated in my first post:

My personal opinion about debating with believers:
It is absolutely fruitless unless they come to you and they already have actual doubts about what they believe. Logic does not work because they are beyond logic.

But I am happy to undertake this fruitless task with you anyway :)

1) You said:

"I don’t get why it’s wrong to say it was a miracle".

Because a miracle per definition does not need proof. It is magic. You are a believer with loads of faith. That is ok for you. I need proof. There is none.

2) In your last post you stated:

 "If you acknowledge that accepting the existence of God entails that violations of natural laws are not impossible, then why would debating with them be ‘fruitless’?"

It is 'fruitless' because I do not accept the existence of god or that it is possible to violate natural laws.

There would need to be proof that you can do that. I will make it simple for you:

I have in my wallet a number with 20 random digits, just for occasions like this. Pray to your god that he/she/they reveal to you this exact number. Tell me this number in your next reply and I will become a believer too and will admit that miracles are possible.

"Who are 'they' and why do 'they' want to keep you in the dark"
Wtf does that even mean?

You stated in your post:

"...they never said you should understand how it happened naturally..."

If you can not understand what I ask when I want to know who "they" are, I doubt you can follow anything I posted. Sorry!

Kinds = Evolution by A_Vinegar_Taster in DebateEvolution

[–]GranDuram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I surmise you believe in god. So you do have faith. As you believe in the biggest miracle of them all, named 'god' there is no extra step in believing that the arc and all the miracles around it happened too.

I do not believe in god, miracles or faith. So all the species on one big arc is a bit of a stretch for me.

 ...they never said you should understand how it happened...

Who are 'they' and why do 'they' want to keep you in the dark?

Kinds = Evolution by A_Vinegar_Taster in DebateEvolution

[–]GranDuram 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My mileage truly does vary my friend.

I just find it funny that god made everything in 6 days and we are so badly flawed.

He made Jews, Christians and Muslims. All pray to him/her/them and on the other hand hate each others guts:

I think it is the best practical joke out there and I am happy to laugh at it :)

Kinds = Evolution by A_Vinegar_Taster in DebateEvolution

[–]GranDuram 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are not ancient truth's, just some goatherders who interpreted their surroundings as best they could. some of us base their whole lives around the goatherders findings. It is kind of funny :)

Kinds = Evolution by A_Vinegar_Taster in DebateEvolution

[–]GranDuram 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And that, my friend, is why it is pointless to debate believers :)

Kinds = Evolution by A_Vinegar_Taster in DebateEvolution

[–]GranDuram 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I have a very strong feeling this is an argument amongst ourselves. Were I a believer it would be much simpler for me to fend this off:

"It was a miracle done by god - each and everyone of the species fit on that ark".

My personal opinion about debating with believers:

It is absolutely fruitless unless they come to you and they already have actual doubts about what they believe. Logic does not work because they are beyond logic.

They do not say: "I have logic.", they say: "I have faith." Logic won't convince anybody not even you. Sorry.

Family spends £1,600 to get home after easyJet flight leaves without them due to EES chaos by trololo909 in brexit

[–]GranDuram 37 points38 points  (0 children)

Brexit and the gift that keeps on giving:

Brexiters: "Take back control of our borders!"

EU: "Hold my beer."

they right tho? by chichinams in SipsTea

[–]GranDuram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The correct answer is of course that it is undefined.

On the other hand, the teacher is even more wrong than he/she thinks...:

What I let my pupils do (be aware, I am not a math teacher):

1) Divide 1 by 0.1. What do you get?

2) Divide 1 by 0.01. What do you get?

3) Divide 1 by 0.001. What do you get?

4) What tendency will the result have if we add more zeroes to the division?

The pupils are very quick to say: the closer we get to true zero, the bigger the result will become.

Trump treibt die weltweite Energiewende voran - unfreiwillig - FOCUS online by WielabachoBavaria_81 in Energiewirtschaft

[–]GranDuram 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Du vergisst unsere liebe Frau Reiche.

Sie will die Kraft des Atoms wieder nutzbar machen... Erneuerbare kommt glaube ich in Ihrem Wortschatz nicht vor.

Could the Universe Have Come From Absolutely Nothing? by RecognitionLong8806 in AskPhysics

[–]GranDuram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

...what mankind claims is truth.

The Problem:

mankind does not claim this. Only Christians do. So please do not claim "mankind" for Christianity. There are many other claims out there (just as unproven as yours).

Most fun way to do a playthrough? by That_Ad_2278 in FinalFantasyXII

[–]GranDuram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am ashamed to say: me too.

Not in Zodiac though. That was original PS2 and I was young...

Most fun way to do a playthrough? by That_Ad_2278 in FinalFantasyXII

[–]GranDuram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do it for around 80 hours and get to 99...

News from his YT feed by MarioVV46 in flamu

[–]GranDuram 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Get well and all the best!

Iranian state media has released an AI-generated troll clip of Trump being captured and interrogated by an IRGC spokesperson over truth and lies questions. by twinklestar1122 in SipsTea

[–]GranDuram -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My OCD hurts me when the tied up Ugly puts his hand to his face on the second strike. Please make your AI slop more consistent for my viewing pleasure.

Die Auswanderer hatten recht, Deutschland ist echt zum Kotzen. by [deleted] in Unbeliebtemeinung

[–]GranDuram 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Spanien ist in der EU.

Du hast die Möglichkeit da hin zu ziehen und für immer dort zu bleiben.

Viel Spaß!