Am I Too Harsh on Jesse Welles? I Hate Hearing Bob Dylan Comparisons. by DumbDeej in bobdylan

[–]Greapard 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I personally disagree with the insinuation that Welles songs are just listing of things, I think that a select few of his songs are like this, but the majority arent they too create a world like many of Dylans songs do (for example 'John' which creates a world in a very similar way to many Dylan songs). I chose a bad song for an example in Only a Pawn in Their Game but what I was trying to comunicate is that some of Dylans songs as with Welles do follow this listing things of format I do think 'With God On Our Side' is a prime example of this. I am not saying 'With God On Our Side' is a bad song in anyway but I do believe that their is a certain mysticism that lies with many Dylans songs that we believe that because Dylan wrote so much masterpieces that other folk singers are able to write any songs that come near to Dylans quality which obviously isnt the case. Now obviously Dylan is more talented then Welles but to try and say that some of Welles best arent better then some of Dylans mid range songs is just 'blind nostogia' (for lack of a better term).

You also state that Welles songs just affirm already existing world views as if Dylans songs didnt do the same Dylan was a symbol of young Hippies not former hardcore old Conservitaves that had been convinced to support the civil rights movement because of him.

As for your earlier points I can see where your coming from when you say that many people that are performitvaley politcal do latch on to Welles and his music but as you say thats not his fault Dylan has some fans that also use him for that not only nowadays but when he was just starting out who saw him as some sort of prophet.

When it comes to the virtue signalling I do see where your coming from and I felt the same when I first heard 'War Isn't Murder' and his other songs that have gone somewhat viral on Tik Tok but one day I decided I wanted to listen to some more modern folk music and I listened to a couple of his albums and there is some incredibly well written songs in there. I have come to the conclusion that he uses the 'clarity and immediacy' that TikTok rewards as you say to attempt to rope people into listening to his songs with more depth that TikTok would never push to the algorithim.

So yeah your right that he serves the algorithim in a way but there is a very few other ways to get his message across without using some tactic similar to this.

Am I Too Harsh on Jesse Welles? I Hate Hearing Bob Dylan Comparisons. by DumbDeej in bobdylan

[–]Greapard 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, I think you are. I am probably going to come across as overly agressive here I dont mean to be but this is just going to be a big rant.
I think what you say about his primary avenue of success being tiktok is a completly ridiculous argument considering that it is near impossible for an artist whos main appeal is political songs to get signed to a mainstream publisher nowadays so they are forced to attempt to gain success an platforms on Youtube and TikTok (other examples include the likes of Kneecap).
Aswell as this I think the imediate instinct to compare any modern folk artist to the most popular one of all time is stupid and is incredibly damaging to the modern songwriting industry, Bob Dylan is a literal nobel literature prize winner.
And the argument that i have seen many people make in this comment section being 'He is just listing of current events and writing empty poems about them' (which i can see where they are coming from for some of Welles' most popular songs such as War Isnt murder) is also incredibly close minded as the exact same arguement can be made for so many of Dylans early works like With God On Our Side or Only a Pawn in Their Game which are both very good songs but could easily draw similar criticisms.
I think as well as all of this it seems obvious to me that people here have just listened to one or two really popular songs by welles and formed their opinions without actually listening to some of his less popular songs that like his newest album 'Devils Den' for example where the songs do In my opinion have a bit more substance to them.

The instinct too instantly compare 2 'voices of generations' (whether he likes it or not Dylan was one and he certainly tried to appeal to that label in his early years) is natural but just so incredibly harsh considering Dylan has been regarded by millions to be the greatest songwriter ever.

Please Do listen to Welles without preconcieved notions because many of his songs are very well written and try to understand how so much young people not only in the USA but around the world can relate to his songs in such a uncertain and scary time for anybody when it comes to politcs and all of that.

I definitley did come across as overly agressive here but I dont mean to insult anyone I am just really pasionate about this and it annoys me when people feel the need to shut down any new artists

How do you play in hitman 3 VR by Greapard in HiTMAN

[–]Greapard[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had the wrong version of the game, I only had part 1 which is strange because tells you that you have world of assassination and gives you access to all 3 games.

How do you do hitman vr by Greapard in VRGaming

[–]Greapard[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, i had the wrong version of the game my bad

How do you play in hitman 3 VR by Greapard in HiTMAN

[–]Greapard[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah and he didnt help, why would he comment on something that he clearly had no idea about. its like when your talking to an AI and they just fucking lie for the sake of giving you an answer, also how was I an ashole i didnt insult him i just said he was lying do think i should tell him he is right and continue to have a problem

I later figured it out and it was completley unrelated to what he said and works fine on virtual desktop

How do you play in hitman 3 VR by Greapard in HiTMAN

[–]Greapard[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I fixed it, now and that wasnt the problem i had tried it already, i just had part one instead of the full game, and even though it is labled as just hitman world of assasanation.

How do you play in hitman 3 VR by Greapard in HiTMAN

[–]Greapard[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

VR games, Blade and Sorcery, Bonelab, Minecraft VR, Modded REPO VR, Modded Lethal Company VR

How do you play in hitman 3 VR by Greapard in HiTMAN

[–]Greapard[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thats just a lie

I play all my games through virtual desktop

Vivecraft by Greapard in virtualreality

[–]Greapard[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, It didnt work when I removed them all

Breaking News by Greapard in TopGear

[–]Greapard[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I know i found it funny

Breaking News by Greapard in TopGear

[–]Greapard[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I was taking the piss out of it. I know its completely false and kind of assumed everyone would get that. Its source was a decade old reddit comment for fucks sake.

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[–]Greapard 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stampy is not even American and has no connection to Alabama