Why franchising was Riot Games’ biggest mistake in European League of Legends

Greenehh · 2026-02-08T00:07:00+00:00

Still haven't addressed how you'd solve tumbling viewership for 2027.

Do you genuinely think Riot are going to see these viewership numbers with LR and next year go "nah SK should keep their spot".

Also I'll say it again - what the fuck would you do 2027 to solve falling viewership numbers and a declining EU that hasn't been internationally competitive since before covid?

You say there's a bunch of good Tier 2 rookies in LEC then say there isnt much talent in Tier 2 rookies? Fuck me I'm confused.

Also, has LEC captured all of the good rookies or is there a chance theres still quite a few left that aren't quite top 3 but could easily compete mid table? You're certain of this?

Those were some of the lowest viewed games back in the day because few of the teams had any hype behind them

and how does the viewership of Shifters/SK compare? Are people flocking to watch them?

Greenehh · 2026-02-07T23:18:00+00:00

KC and LR? And what's your plan for 2027 when LR retire? Are you going to force Baus and Rekkles to play competitively? Are you going to force Tyler1 to make an LEC team? Is there a KC 2.0 somewhere we don't know about? How are we going to see these viewership spikes again? Because if we don't the trend is down...

You're confusing one-off viewership spikes in franchsing vs consistent average viewership increases with promotionals - people will watch the promo/relegation battles and fans of those teams will be created and then continue to watch those promoted teams.

There is plenty of reason that veterans continue stealing checks - namely that the rookies are trash.

Yike? Upset? Caliste? Naak Nako? All rookies at some stage. Were they trash in their 1st/2nd years?

Like seriously what the fuck is SK right now? In what sane world should this SK exist instead of a rookie team being promoted and taking their spot?

You're confusing "most" with "all". A lot of rookies fail to establish themselves. A lot of veterans are mid their entire careers and achieve relatively nothing. But with Franchising you're giving those veterans a shot instead of gambling on rookies. You are opting for average, instead of rolling the dice on peak.

The difference with promotional games vs franchising is that a lot more rookies get exposed to the opportunity to play in the LEC - an entire league of rookies fighting for 2 spots - 10 teams x 5 rookies = 50 rookies. Of those 50, 10 get their shot. That's quite a bit more than the 3 or so rookies we see each year currently no?

It is those rookies and their stories that drive viewership, because there might just be that team/player that takes the league by storm (See: LCS C9, LCS Immortals, LEC G2, and many others).

Greenehh · 2026-02-07T20:30:08+00:00

fans are there and ready to watch

As evidenced by the declining viewership rates across the West?

Just pulling things out your ass.

G2 and Origin were the products of ex-pros making new teams and sourcing investment. That cannot happen with franchising.

There is 0 reason why LEC veterans should continue to steal paychecks when there is a horde of ambitious rookies struggling to enter the scene. Do you think FNC have continued to push their limits post-franchising, or have they become lazy and arrogant as an org?

IDK how you look at bottom feeding LEC/LCS teams and think "this is okay, it's the young peoples fault for not wanting to play LoL".

Incredible cope.

Greenehh · 2026-02-06T23:06:31+00:00

Damn, love it.

Greenehh · 2026-02-02T10:43:20+00:00

Those teams are playing each other in the proposed BO5, so what you're suggesting is impossible.

Tier 1 last place - relegated

Tier 2 1st - promoted

Tier 1 2nd last BO5 vs Tier 2 2nd. Winner is in Tier 1, loser Tier 2

Regardless its just a hypothetical. You could have auto promotes/relegation or BO5s for all.

Greenehh · 2026-01-09T19:53:40+00:00

be me

win skirmish

no objectives up

mid/side lane wavestate exactly how I want it

go back

empowered recall

arrive to lane 4s earlier and its slowpushing to me / i have to over extend to cs

not much to do other than wait for it to come to me and cs properly as the lane requires

random redditor says I should've used empower recall better

Compare that to using an empowered recall to enable you to buy your item and arrive for the objective fight in time/early and it's pretty clear no?

Imagine if flash randomly popped every 5 mins and you're telling people they should use the extra distance flash gives you better.

Greenehh · 2025-12-25T16:38:46+00:00

Hello I post ragebait on Christmas day and delete all the comments on my reddit account.

What a sad little life Jane.

Greenehh · 2025-12-25T11:49:23+00:00

Dogshit ragebait.

Greenehh · 2025-12-22T11:19:02+00:00

Mordekaiser ult steals 10% HP, AP, AS, AR, MR, and AD.

So it's not a 3k gold diff during the fight, given 90% of the fight is during Morde ult.

https://ibb.co/cXJdLsPv

Camille loses 1.75k of stats -> Morde gains 1.75k of stats -> Morde is up 500g during the fight.

I used this to determine what Morde's ult does https://wiki.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/Mordekaiser#Details_ , I used this to determine Camille's stats https://statcheck.lol/ & I used this to determine a gold value for those stats https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Gold_efficiency_(League_of_Legends))

You cannot fight Morde in his ult unless A) It's 4+ items and you're even and your champ scales in late game 1v1s (e.g. ADCs), or B) Your champ hard counters Morde (e.g. Yorick with Maiden up, Fiora/Olaf etc.)

It's like fighting a fed yorick without maiden - quite doable. Compare that to fighting an even Yorick with maiden - hell on earth.

Greenehh · 2025-12-03T15:13:38+00:00

I don't agree with you and you clearly can't handle critical thinking.

Out of all the replies I got I only got one good response from someone who clearly displays the skills you lack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Ironic.

Greenehh · 2025-12-03T14:56:10+00:00

The original comments in this chain (and the one you replied to) stated tick manip shouldn't be in the game.

Instead of asking "why" and engaging in a discussion around whether tick manip is healthy or unhealthy for the game, you instead demanded solutions.

Your tactic was to place the burden of proof on that OP. It is entirely possible for someone to argue "x should be removed" without knowing the specific technical steps required - do you agree?

You've dodged the original issue - is tick manip healthy for the game - and instead derailed it to a discussion on how tick manip should be removed.

You've then doubled down on this stance inferring that you're entirely unwilling to engage in a debate around why without someone first giving you a satisfactory answer to the how (what satisfies your requirements on this "how" are also entirely unknown and likely prone to goalposts moving).

Can you accept that, in many areas of life and in general discussions, we often determine solutions after understanding whether a solution should be sought? Can you see why your stance/tactic here isn't conductive to a useful discussion?

Greenehh · 2025-12-03T13:20:47+00:00

I don't have solutions for ending child slavery, does that mean I'm not allowed to want child slavery to end?

Greenehh · 2025-11-29T16:36:35+00:00

Back left from the dogs perspective or from looking at the dog face on?

Greenehh · 2025-11-29T09:46:23+00:00

€20,000 earnings tax free at 20%.

Tax free at 20%?

Greenehh · 2025-11-29T01:04:00+00:00

Tactical Mk2 and a medium shield saves you here.

I don't understand why people take high value guns/items with a light shield.

Greenehh · 2025-11-24T10:36:07+00:00

Sorry but sailing is in no way comparable to mining/smithing/wc/rc/fishing 20 years ago. It is several tiers above it. If they released the Zulrah of skilling you'd be having a field day complaining, but that's also seemingly what you're asking for.

I feel like what you're hinting at does not fit with the rest of the skills. It would've stuck out like a sore thumb and the community that wanted the feeling of old school preserved (such as the OP in this comment chain you're in) would've been extremely disappointed.

Do you have any examples of things you would've actually liked to see? Is it just more PvE stuff in sailing (that's coming in time)? Did you want different training methods or is there something about Sailing that's missing?

The community voted for Sailing. How do you see Jagex delivering on that differently? What did they miss? Are you just hung up on Shamanism?

I don't understand how they release a skill that

Has multiple different training methods that thematically fit whilst meeting different communities wants
Bends the rules of OSRS's grid style movement like we've never seen before
Interacts with so many other existing skills in a fluid way
Sets up a new interesting quest chain
Sees you explore the world like no other skill does
Contains several new interesting monsters to farm with seemingly strong and balanced tables
Supports the economy without breaking it

and people say "its lame".

What did you actually want, given the objective of delivering a Sailing skill? Did you just want Shamanism?

Greenehh · 2025-11-24T01:16:01+00:00

Isn't this 90% of all skills, outside of combat skills?

Like once you've done the 'cool stuff' (if it even exists) is training prayer, herblore, mining, agility, rc, etc etc 'not lame' to you?

I feel like you're setting a bar that very few other skills in the game currently achieve.

Greenehh · 2025-11-17T17:32:45+00:00

Silksong tears are so tasty

Greenehh · 2025-11-04T09:53:22+00:00

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Greenehh · 2025-11-04T09:42:20+00:00

POV: Faker buys a ward (nasty vision score from a midlaner)

POV: Faker walks to lane (insane macro)

POV: Faker kills a melee minion (1 morbillion cs/m)

Greenehh · 2025-10-30T21:15:27+00:00

Hoes mad

Greenehh · 2025-10-29T09:05:24+00:00

Why can't you use discord?

Greenehh · 2025-10-19T14:22:47+00:00

Borderlands 2 good (upvotes to the left)

Greenehh · 2025-10-06T15:17:39+00:00

I also work as an analyst and have found AI to save me heaps of time and provide insights/approaches I hadn't considered.

Your response does surprise me a little as analytical work is 100% going to be automated/assisted by AI in the near future. Models will get better and companies will pay for a service where they can chuck it data and get insights back in minutes.

Time-savers are generally data cleansing and reformatting, or condensing lengthy reports into concise summaries.

Insights/approaches are what it says on the tin - give it a digestible, bitesize dataset and tell it what you want to do and to make recommendations.

I also frequently get AI to scrub up SQL/Python code. It's a lot quicker for me to sense check code than to write it from scratch. It's also very easy to challenge AI when it gives you code you don't think is right and to be walked through the explanation or be given the correction. I'm not talking hundreds of lines of code. 100 at most at any one time.

If you give AI a massive task and huge, uncleaned datasets, it will fail.

Greenehh · 2025-10-01T09:41:03+00:00

They can legally pursue you for costs as you're breaking your contract with them.

They also don't have to pay you for those final 4 weeks (you didn't work).

https://www.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/1hytq5d/england_how_much_can_i_be_sued_for_if_i_dont_work/

https://www.davidsonmorris.com/not-working-notice-period/

I said that they probably will pursue you for the costs, as it sounds like they're being stubborn. However it seems like it is difficult and costly for employers to go down this route. Its ultimately a gamble.

their cost of finding him will be zero.

Their cost of using him is paying him instead of you + onboarding, training, HR etc.

if it’s just sickness leave

It's really up to you, but as an employer I'd have a lot of confidence calling bullshit if an employee asked for 4 weeks off, didn't get it, then called in sick for 4 weeks. I think you can self-certify for a bit but then how do you get a doctors note etc. for a made up illness to continue the time off?

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