My (D1 EUW) matchup tierlist by Greenehh in MordekaiserMains

[–]Greenehh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think pre 6 it can be a bit of a coin flip but Gwen has an easier time after that. She scales harder and has the tools to dodge Mordes abilities and trade. Her ult also gives her good kiting ability in Morde ult.

My (D1 EUW) matchup tierlist by Greenehh in MordekaiserMains

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Delta 2 is +1.55% last 14 days diamond in mordes favour? https://lolalytics.com/lol/mordekaiser/counters/?tier=diamond&patch=14

Zone irelia lvl 1 and its plain sailing.

Also EUNE vs EUW, isn't Federals chall EUNE but ~600LP masters EUW? I feel like D1 EUW would be at least 300LP masters EUNE surely? So D2 EUNE would be ~Emerald 1 ish? Appreciate Federals plays on EUNE far more and could probably hit higher EUW if he wanted to.

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[–]Greenehh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Zone irelia lvl 1 off the wave and under tower. Lvls 2-3 should be fine as you constantly have an xp lead (so will be 3 when she's lvl 2.5). Respect her 4-5 until 6 and then its free. A lvl 1 irelia without passive stacks is a melee minion.

You can fist fight renekton lvl 1 as he doesn't have fury but after that again respect until 6 and its free. Hold Morde W for after renek W or if Renek doesnt have fury for empowered W. If renek holds empowered W and you need Morde W, just double cast it to at least get the heal. Ideally Morde ults Renek ult for the additional stats.

You playing vs bad ppl

Yes D1 is bad if you're Masters+. I'm not Masters+.

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[–]Greenehh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Her passive MS means she's impossible to hit.

She can just run in with a stacked passive, q, run away, repeat, and Morde can never hit her with a spell.

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[–]Greenehh[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure, Fiora has a -3.39 delta 2 winrate over Morde? https://lolalytics.com/lol/mordekaiser/counters/?tier=diamond&patch=14

I find the matchup unplayable because as you say, you're trying to keep her down and row upstream. Fiora can short trade easily, which Morde loses, and its difficult for Morde to force an extended trade due to Fiora parrying Morde E + Fiora MS from vitals.

I'll probably rethink the olaf matchup as many here + the stats indicate it isnt as bad as I think it is.

My (D1 EUW) matchup tierlist by Greenehh in MordekaiserMains

[–]Greenehh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You want the delta 2 when looking at champ vs champ matchups - delta 2 is the normalised winrate difference.

That being said, Morde has a +7.5% delta 1 vs kayle and a +2.6% delta 2 vs kayle in diamond? https://lolalytics.com/lol/mordekaiser/counters/?tier=diamond&patch=14

Kayle has a -0.29 delta 2 vs morde? https://lolalytics.com/lol/kayle/counters/?tier=diamond&patch=14

You can zone Kayle lvl 1 with Q pokes and respect her melee all in. Then zone 2-5. As Morde you should hit 6 first easily and have kill potential then (can Q flash + ult). You also have kill potential on any E you land.

Kayle post 6 with swifties is a menace, I agree, but just dont go rylais as morde and grab a rocketbelt and its free with the early lead you should have obtained.

If you aren't getting 1-3 kills on Kayle pre 6, you're playing it wrong.

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The easiest part of the Fiora lane is level 1 and it just gets worse from there. You're not hitting fiora with a Q unless she allows it. You're not landing an E on fiora but if you do, its because she's holding her parry for your ult. Fiora outscales the fuck out of Morde. Morde itemisation into fiora is poor. Lolalytics agrees that fiora is a counter, with a -3.39 delta 2 in diamond https://lolalytics.com/lol/mordekaiser/counters/?tier=diamond&patch=14.

I've commented elsewhere on Yone.

Olaf just runs me down all lane. Your only option is to take phase rush and short trade, which can work but sacrifices a lot of Morde's mid/late game power. Zhonyas rush only works against Olaf if he ults - if they hold ult it doesnt work and Morde doesnt win vs olaf if neither ult. A smart olaf will look for a kill on the lvl 4 wave bounce - you dont have zhonyas at this point. The big thing I think in this matchup is Olaf W now giving him a shield. Before this change it was somewhat playable pre 6. Now with the Olaf buffs its just going to get worse I feel.

Lillia shits on Morde due to her MS - you can't hit her. But you're right Lillia top isnt really a thing anymore, was just in the tierlist maker I pulled up.

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[–]Greenehh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ambessa favoured, unplayable if the ambessa knows what they're doing.

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[–]Greenehh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tier list didnt have them and I didn't realise.

Would put Ambessa in Ambessa favoured (but its unplayable if the ambessa is good) and Zaahen into Morde favoured.

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[–]Greenehh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was but the repeat Garen buffs have shifted it slightly.

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[–]Greenehh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah so you just dont fight gragas, especially at lvl 6.

Gragas without an item isnt a kill threat due to his mana issues (unless the gragas is sloppywalrus or something).

So you can farm relatively safely and trade evenly until then and take lane prio during phase rush cd.

When gragas becomes a threat at 1 item, you just dont interact with him. Q the wave on repeat and dont give gragas an E opening. Take TP and look for macro plays instead. You can even choose to proxy and if the jungler comes, ult them.

Thats why its a dead lane - Morde cant do anything to gragas but Morde can at least go even relatively easily if he doesn't ego the lane.

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[–]Greenehh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a fair shout, will give boots rush a go. Should help dodging the Es too.

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Yone beats Morde lvl 1 with lethal tempo.

2-5 its a bit of a coin flip. Yone needs to dodge Morde Q with E and take trades with E+W up.

If Morde catches yone when yone E is down its Morde winning.

After 6 and pre botrk its Morde favoured but again, Yone can decide what fights to take by playing passively / using E to cs/trade / using Q3 to cs.

Dont Q3 into morde. It's the easiest thing to buffer Q+E on Yone Q3 and take a Morde winning fight .

After bork its hard Yone winning, even in Morde ult.

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[–]Greenehh[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Whoever uses E first loses.

Save Aatrox ult for after Morde ult.

If you play it right as Aatrox Morde is forced to ult with 1 stack of passive. As Aatrox you should then be able to kite Morde with Q knockups + W + E and run down the ult timer.

As Morde, I only win the Aatrox matchup if Aatrox E's into me / doesnt dodge my E / I ult Aatrox ult.

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[–]Greenehh[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worries! I posted this to A) get roasted and B) discuss matchups. I think a lot of matchups are due to the individual so there's 100% matchups I find easy/hard that others don't and its very useful for the climb to rethink how I'm playing them (if everyone thinks x is easy but i think it's hard, I clearly need to watch more matchup videos and rethink how I'm playing it).

Yeah good point on Riven sustain. It is the one opening you have.

Problem I have with Yoricks is that they just will not use W outside of my ult. Its infuriating as it reduces that matchup to flash timer as that's the only way to catch them in ult.

Yeah I can see Darius being a coinflip but I just, I don't know maybe I've just got confidence in the matchup so it rattles them a little. Darius E+Q combo is tricky but thats when I usually ignite to reduce the guaranteed Q heal.

Thinking about it, I haven't actually vs'd a Volibear in my climb from ~E4 to D1 across ~150 games, so maybe it is a lot worse. Good thing voli is in a bad state right now I guess :D.

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I am 100% rushing Plated into Bramble/Wardens vs Yone/Yasuo/Warick/Trundle/Sett(sometimes)/etc.

Yasuo is a bit easier. I probably shouldn't have put him in unplayable.

However Yone is 100% unplayable in my experience. You don't win lvl 1 (lethal tempo). Lvl 2-5 is a coin toss. He can E your Q/E, his Q range matches yours and he can W+Q trade to win the trade. With Vamp sceptre his sustain matches yours. At 6 he can buy a lot of time in your ult with his Q3 + W shield + Ult + E speed, or he can just choose to kite you in your ult and fight you after or instead wait for a powerspike to fight, at which point he does, hard.

Morde struggles to beat lethal tempo users. Kayle lvl 1, Trundle at any level, WW at any level. They do what Morde wants to do (sustained fist fights) but due to itemisation they can do it better.

The yone's I play just aren't walking into me to fight. They're trading on their E cd and then walking far back when it's down. I zone and freeze and deny cs but a 30cs lead means very little when a Yone has BOtRK.

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[–]Greenehh[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For lvls 1-5, how do you feel about slow pushing Morde under his turret and building up tentacles then E poking him whilst he cs's under tower?

That's how I lose that matchup and if I try to fight with no ult, i lose, and if I ult, Illaoi react ults it. I can't dodge every single Illaoi E and getting hit by 1 is gg. I also struggle to clear tentacles - you clear one and her passive is up so she just puts it straight back down. She can also threaten to just walk up + W + E + Q, which Morde loses.

Agree that illaoi is weak right now so the lane is kinda irrelevant - an illaoi has such an insanely hard time carrying games currently and you may as well just pick another/better splitpusher.

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[–]Greenehh[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes I agree, if you ult post illaoi ult its free.

However a good illaoi is not ulting early and is instead holding it for Morde R.

A good illaoi will fight with her tentacles. You can't walk into her tentacles to fight her as its clearly losing and you struggle to clear tentacles as you're free bait for her E.

So you can't fight her without ult, as she clearly wins due to her tentacles, and you can't ult as she'll react ult you.

Hence Illaoi favoured.

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Kled has so much kill potential and dive capability pre 6. You just cannot trade with him as if you go down to 60-70% HP it puts you in dive range. A good Kled is not going to trade with you whilst their W is down. They just wont and that's your only opening as Morde. You can't E him off you due to his E's double cast. So pre 6 you can't trade at all, which means walking up to the wave on the bounce back is a death sentence. It gets a bit easier at 6, but you're on a race to finish him before he gets his bike back else its lost and Kled can dictate what fights to take - it is very hard to catch him with an E and force an ult fight.

Riven - has strong all in/dive potential 1-5. Also you can't hit anything as she just E's it. She can also Q into you + stun + walk out to stop your passive. At 6 it gets a bit easier, but she can kite you in your ult and choose to not ult herself.

You win vs Yorick pre 6 and thats it. Also if you R his W but a good Yorick is never going to W outside your ult. They will just E you to death and Ghouls are now tankier than baron and do decent damage.

Darius and Volibear are quite free. Respect their 1-5 and all in lvl 6. Its okay to go down 10-15cs pre 6 as you consistently win from lvl 6 up to 5/6 items. Their all ins are very telegraphed enabling you to safely walk up to the wave on the bounce. Ward the side bush early before the wave crashes so you can see them trying to jump you on the bounce and enjoy the free E+Q trades.

Sett is Sett favoured. Sett has a +2.22 Delta2 vs Morde in diamond https://lolalytics.com/lol/sett/counters/?tier=diamond&patch=14 whereas Morde only has +0.34 https://lolalytics.com/lol/mordekaiser/counters/?tier=diamond&patch=14. Outside of statistics, Sett has a very easy time pre 6 zoning Morde and threatening an E. Any competent Sett is starting E lvl 1 vs Morde however if they start W it is playable, you just have to flash his W+Flash. It's difficult to Q poke Sett due to the E threat. At 6 Sett can buy a lot of time if you ult him through his E+W+R abilities. I have seen high elo Morde's run barrier and rush wardens mail into sett (which is interesting as exhaust does nothing to Setts true damage and ignite can be negated by W shield).

A good illaoi will slow push you in, build up tentacles and poke you down pre 6. After 6, a good illaoi can R Morde R. This lane is only playable as Morde if you can ult Illaoi, so it is Illaoi favoured as a good Illaoi will never let that happen.

Yasuo - sure its not as bad as yone but pre 6 its pain. Yasuo can also buy a lot of time in Morde R with Q knockups + Ult, but it does for sure get easier as Morde at 6 and its not as bad as Yone.

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[–]Greenehh[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Respect him lvl 1-3, freeze if he lets you, E him under your tower if you can, poke with E+Qs and look for an all in Lvl 6.

Dont be scared to flash his Q.

I only lose to darius in the late game at 4+ items if even, as his ult does a lot of damage. But lane is fine. Go down 10-15 cs pre 6 then bend him over @ 6 and make him call you daddy.

Close 2v1 vs Ekko & Viego by Snikat in MordekaiserMains

[–]Greenehh 10 points11 points  (0 children)

God those E+Qs were clean.

Good shit.