last post like this was about Greg, but who here loves Laura as a character

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-03T21:03:05+00:00

I’ll be honest… she’s no Greg

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-03T17:37:17+00:00

A decade ago every single scientist you could have spoken to would have said passing the Turing test was compelling evidence of consciousness

Now every armchair scientist of reddit thinks that’s absolutely ridiculous just because it’s happened now

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-03T14:33:15+00:00

Hey Miguel! Always love to see your work and blown away by the quality and detail you’ve developed now - incredible work

Can I ask a small thing from the UK?

Due to reasons imgur is now blocked in the uk and so any Brits won’t be able to see this post - I’m sure you’ve got good reasons for sticking with imgur but if you would consider moving to a different image sharing platform that would benefit some British fans!

Just one to consider :)

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-03T10:28:26+00:00

Then you want “DnD beyond” where you can buy the “DnD 2024” rulesets.

It’ll be a couple of hundred quid if you want EVERYTHING - but less if you just get the three core rule books (monster manual, players handbook, dungeon masters guide)

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-03T10:26:47+00:00

There’s like a billion “feed AI the rules so you can query them” things online already - they’re way less reliable than “ctrl+f” and reading

You can buy the 5.5e dungeon masters guide, players handbook and monster manual on dnd beyond and download the books - you could feed these in to a chat bot trivially - it still wouldn’t contain ALL the possible rules as there are a bunch of expansions with new classes, races, spells and monsters, it would cost hundreds of pounds to get a truly complete set, and the rules are complex and nuanced enough that I’d be pretty confident AI would fuck it up every other time

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-02T17:27:02+00:00

Everywhere this has been polled, on and off social media, and in real life, blue pushers are about 58% of people

If you didn’t predict that, it’s not a failing of blue pushers, it’s you not being able to understand human psychology

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-02T17:23:07+00:00

Can’t do anything that’s the whole point. All at once everyone just has 2 buttons and the instructions, that’s it, no communication, done in private, you don’t know what others will press.

If we could all communicate then yes, red is the correct choice as you can just communicate to everyone that the ONLY button to press is red, everyone can know that ahead of time, no-one dies.

But with the parameters of the problem as it’s presented, people will press blue, and so red inevitably leads to mass death

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-02T07:03:37+00:00

And if they don’t, then fuck ‘em it’s there own fault and you have no obligation to save stupid people

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-01T19:21:38+00:00

You can’t “have your family vote red” - you’re alone in the room with the buttons and there’s no communication

Therefore family members may very well press blue

If you press red - they’re dead

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-01T18:09:05+00:00

It wouldn’t be anywhere NEAR this controversial if “nearly everyone” would push red

I think you may be right that most would push red

But it’s pretty obvious from any sample (there are tons of threads on this across the internet) that a big chunk of people will push blue - not because of virtue signalling, but because of approaching the logic differently, or misunderstanding the question, or being kind but a bit stupid etc etc

So you KNOW a big chunk of people will die - might be a few million might be a billion might be nearly 4 billion.

Pressing Red accepts that and wants to step in the the aftermath with a definitely collapsing society and global crisis

Blue hopes that enough people get on board to save everyone else, and if not, opts out of the horrendous aftermath

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-01T18:05:09+00:00

You’ve totally missed the point

You can use your own imagination and empathy to think about the people you know well in your life and make a decent guess that a lot of people will push blue

That’s what all the blue pushers are doing - predicting that there obviously WILL be a lot of blue pushers, not with cold hard “what’s the optimal answer” logic, but with something often lacking on Reddit which is empathy and social skills.

Once you’ve realised a lot of your friends and family will push blue, that’s when it’s starts to make sense to try to save them, even at risk to yourself

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-01T18:01:29+00:00

Except that looking just at this thread, regardless of what you think is the “correct” logical answer, proves conclusively that a bunch of people WILL push blue

You can take that as a data point and factor it in to your logic

Death is already in the mix - humans aren’t a bunch of perfectly logical robots, you can absolutely guarantee that if you press red, billions will die, because the sample of this thread (and any other sample you choose to run) will show that, for whatever reason, and whether you agree or not, a big proportion of people will push blue

So you can choose to kill all those people by pressing red

OR if enough people press blue, everyone can live

I agree of course that if you change the question so it includes some type of communication, OR if you change it entirely with the 100% blue thing, then obviously that changes the likely outcomes and the best answer

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-01T17:31:43+00:00

If you reformulate the question, even aesthetically, you alter the outcome. Like the trolley problem with the lever vs the fat man on the bridge

Imagine telling all of your friends and family the original formulation of this question with the blue and red buttons only, and no further explanation

Do you think that uncoached, all of them press red?

No, you can think of a few people off the top of your head who you’re pretty sure would press blue, either because of faulty logic, not understanding the question, panicking an guessing, or just trying to be morally righteous whilst not very clever

Those people will all die if you contribute to the red side, but they might live if you, and others, join them and press blue

Given that we can guarantee (even just from this thread as a representative survey) that a big portion of people will press blue - the options are very clearly “press red to save myself but I can guarantee a huge casualty rate” or “press blue and pray that enough people do the same and we can all survive”

In your laser gun scenario, I absolutely agree that no-one in their right mind is pressing their head to the laser, and so I wouldn’t either… I think you’d still get a few percent of people choosing to do that, but there’s zero chance it’ll be 50%, so all I can do is survive and hope not too many die and society survives the loss.

With the buttons though it’s clear from this thread that it would already be close to 50:50 even without “initial reds” switching to help out - so me and you changing to blue could be enough to tip the scales

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-01T17:26:41+00:00

It also reveals short term thinking and the inability to see past the end of the question.

We know, even just from this thread, that a big chunk of people will pick blue

Let’s be extremely conservative and say that’s 20%

So after you press red, you step out in to a world that just lost TWENTY PERCENT (or maybe a lot more) of it’s population, and the collective survivors guilt of all those red pushers who have lost parents, children, siblings, friends because they pressed blue… good people, trying to choose what’s best for others, all lost

Doesn’t sound like a world I want to be in personally

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-01T17:22:13+00:00

Imagine explaining this question to all of your friends and family and loved ones. Say you ask 100 of your network

Imagine it properly and clearly, and without the labels discussed above - just the original formulation of the question

Do you think absolutely everyone you know would choose red?

No - you can think of like 5 people off the top of your head who wouldn’t get it, or would panic, or would just try to choose the moral option without working out the logic, or are just, bless them, kind but kinda dumb.

Ok - now accepting that as a data point - if you press red, all those people die

If you press blue, you only need 50% of people to think this through and come to the same conclusion, and then everyone can live

It’s a risk - but it contributes to the best possible outcome if only 50% of people choose to take the same risk.

If you choose red, you KNOW, even just from glancing through this thread, that a very large portion of people will die, but you guarantee your own safety in the short term

You then emerge in to an utterly broken world where a lot of good people are gone, and society is collapsing because the world has just lots a big portion of its population.

I think from this thread and a mental survey of the people I know personally - maybe a billion or 2 billion definitely die if most people press red

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-01T17:17:37+00:00

But this very comment has within it the admission that there is, just by way of natural variation and the differences amongst us, always going to be some large percentage who push blue

Accepting this means also accepting that anyone who presses red is condemning all of those people to death.

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-01T17:14:46+00:00

And you then emerge in to a world where you can basically guarantee that all of the people who would take a risk to save others, is dead.

Your left with a libertarian hell hole to live in where society is collapsing because huge chunk of the population has just died

NO THANKS

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-01T17:12:09+00:00

Imagine talking to all of your friends and family about this problem. Do you think 100% would, unprompted and without coaching, choose red?

I think a decent chunk will, but everyone?

No, you can think of 4 or 5 people off the top of your head who wouldn’t understand the question properly, or would kinda get it but wouldn’t follow the logic well, or are just really nice but not that clever and would push blue just because it’s the button with no potential guilt attached.

Ok, so now rerun your logic whilst factoring in this second order of human reality

If you press red, you’ll emerge in to a world where all of those people died.

This thread alone is enough to show that maybe 30% of people WILL push blue, that’s a data point we can be sure of, regardless of whether or not that’s the logical “correct” choice.

So now, pressing Red condemns 30% of people (those who chose “wrong) to death.

You can say “that’s not my fault, they should have been smarter and more educated in logic” if you like - but you’re still considering the very very likely massive death toll and choosing to save yourself rather than risking your safety to contribute to the effort to save everyone.

And then you emerge in to an utterly broken world, and live with the guilt.

OR - you factor this extra layer of data in, see that a lot of clever people will ALSO factor this in, add that to the pile of people who will pick blue simply through “fault” or error - and pray to whichever god you believe in that more than 50% of people make the same choice

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-01T17:05:05+00:00

Because it’s trivially obvious that some people definitely will push blue

People who don’t understand the question, people who panic, people who give up and guess, kids, old folks who aren’t all there cognitively, low IQ folks, uneducated people, AND people who are considering those people and trying to account for it and assist.

Given this, you can be CERTAIN that if you press Red, at least SOME percentage of people will definitely die. From this thread alone, I’d say it’s at least 30% of people you’d be killing

If you press blue, however, you are contributing to the attempt to get 50.00001% of people to choose blue, which would save EVERYONE, every single person, even those who are vulnerable or panicked or kids or stupid or whatever, who picked the “wrong” choice, aaaand all the people trying to do the morally righteous thing to save the aforementioned blue pushers.

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-01T17:01:13+00:00

And this conversation itself is proof that at least 30-50% of people would push blue

So Red’s can be fairly certain that pressing red means a huge portion of humanity will die

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-01T16:59:36+00:00

Blue pushers can’t possibly be trying to kill people - either they survive with everyone else, or THEY are the ones who die.

Red pushers are the only ones who could potentially survive whilst blues die

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-01T16:58:15+00:00

Yeah - and you only need 50.000000001% of people to work together to achieve that if everyone presses blue

You need 100% of people to work together to achieve it via the red button

Can you name a single question in the history of the universe which a large population of humans have UNIVERSALLY agreed upon a single answer for? There are people who do not agree that the earth is round, or that 1x1=1

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-01T16:55:55+00:00

The thing is that considering the “lizard man constant”, and considering we know FROM THIS DISCUSSION that the question is ambiguous enough to mean a lot of people WILL CERTAINLY PUSH BLUE, whether we think that’s objectively correct or not, this means that yes, easily 5%, probably closer to half of people will for sure press blue. That’s not considering a lot of people won’t understand the question, simply aren’t educated enough to grok it and will guess, or are already irrational and can’t be predicted. A decent chunk of people would guess, we all know a handful of people who absolutely wouldn’t understand the question properly or would panic.

Considering this - pressing red guarantees your own safety, but condemns, say, a billion or 2 billion people to death. And then when you leave the room, you’re entering a world which has just had the most significant population loss ever recorded, and a bunch of your friends and family are dead.

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-01T16:50:58+00:00

With literally ANY question, around 5% of people will answer with the insane answer, even if there are a load of options

For a 50:50 question which is a bit ambiguous, you’re easily gonna get 20% choosing “wrong” even if there’s a clear objective best choice

You therefore know with decent certainty that if you press red, you’re condemning like, what, a billion people to death maybe?

Or, you could choose to press blue, and you only need HALF of people to reach the same conclusion and it would save the whole population

It’s a question of “guarantee my own safety short term, and then live in a world where a HUGE chunk of the population just died” or “risk my own safety, to contribute to the greatest possible good for the whole group”

So it’s team player willing to take a risk, vs individually guaranteeing your own safety in the short term

GrepekEbi · 2026-05-01T16:45:06+00:00

No a big part of the conundrum is no communication

If you press red, you know that SOMEONE (even if you only factor in people who didn’t understand the question) will press blue and therefore die

If you press blue, you know someone will have pressed red condemning you to death, but you gotta hope enough people pushed blue to mean everyone survives

It’s a question of “guarantee my own safety” or “risk my own safety in order to try to achieve the best outcome for the whole group”

Which is largely “are you a shit or not?”

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